Some of you guys need to relax and stop taking things so seriously. Its the internet! :rlaugh:

Weight is a bigger factor then aerodymics on this race....they started on 2nd gear !!!!

Back when I had my non-seq turbos running 123-125mph traps i was approached by a supercharged Cobra owned by Marc (well known East Coast street racer, now has Audi S4) and wanted to race his light modded Cobra against my stock turbo FD for some cash.
We lined up heads up on drag radials and he had me by a car length in 1st gear.
2nd gear I closed the gap. 3rd gear we were dead even and 4th gear I started to pull on him. Before shifting into 5th I was 3-4 cars in front and before he cut gas he claimed to be at 160mph and I was ~170mph with a 5-6 car gap.
After the race he had someone check my turbos to confirm they were stock...the guys 1st question: where's your other turbo ?????? almost died laughing.........
This Cobra had a cold-air system, x-pipe exhaust system, supercharger pulley, re-map ECU and gears......and had run a best of 11.4 @ 122mph !!!!!!!
One mis-shift in my part and I would have lost that race by a long shot !
Those Cobra engines are built for abuse they will make over 600rwh with out any internal mods.....possibly one of the best motors built by Ford.

I've learned not to under-estimate the car next to you....damn Cobra looked stock.

JD

Agree.... they're having fun and I'm sure they will go at it again.
Some people get upset when results are not as they expected...

JD

one ring to rule them all!!

rich,get you car running right,and race him again.do a dig with both cars on street tires.

one thing is obvious...the fd lost. lol.

the video linked on this thread is a 15-16psi run. given he made 420 @ 17.5psi, i figured he was around 400rwhp for the race. which in my mind should be equal if not faster than the 1k lbs heavier cobra.

that raises a good question though, rich why werent u running full boost knowing you're going a against 500rwhp beast?

i guess we need a rematch...get out there!

i wouldnt mind a run against those bnrs at same psi to same psi to be honest. lets have some fd vs fd cannabalism!

i am not a fan of dig races with high rwhp cars on street tires. really all its gonna tell who is who hooked bette! From second gear its power to weight vs power to weight. thats the best test of acceleration in my opinion.

everything was fine until one guy showed up with personal attacks. he was looking for a fight its obvious. seems to me without his presence the conversation is going fine.

quite frankly i could give two shits if rich won or lost. i just want to have fun and discuss it. beleive me i am one to say that the fd needs alot to hang with todays power cars like cobras and z06s!

So we both agree Rich was nowhere near ~400rwh or that Cobra is making more hp.
Then again, Rich claims his car was not running 100%....

Next time.......

Ihor: ever hit the scales with the Cobra?

JD

EXACTLY! thats what i am getting at. something is up with the facts given....or like has become evident today....rich;s car wasnt running right. but thats just so cliche!

also, re read my post i edited it.

na never actually weighed it

Who cares who and what lost.

Important thing is that both cars are fast, they both had a good time and they posted it to entertain us.

I hate it when people go PMS just when an FD loses. I can only imagine like 5 years from now when more and more cars are becoming faster in factory form keeping up with single turbo FD's and they are still under warranty with 100 miles on the odo, what are they gonna say then??

No one is ever satisfied.

You guys need to have a rematch with an actual camera man! Anyway nice cobra and kill!

rich i think its time to go single, and sell me your bnr's :D

^ Ditto, maybe something along these lines should do the trick ;)
Greddy T-88
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yea i'll sit in the cobra you guys just buy me some krispy kremes and i'll be like don vito in the back of the limo

I guess that is what you get when you do your own porting. :)

....with a single turbo ;)

I knew something was wrong with the '7...

I don't think we're getting the full skinny

if one of the lead plug wires was truly "dangling"/disconnected, the car would hardly run....high rpm break-up I believe, spark plug wire boot not fully seated I believe....but not "dangling"

Just like I said before about there being no magic to tuning, there is none to porting as well. Anyone can do it with the proper know how and guidelines. About the plug wire... we gotta go again. From a dig is fine too.

Nice kill.

Can't wait to see the next race.

You guys should race from a dig and roll again.

Was that video taken from your cell phone? lol

I was wondering is there any FD at your hrosepower range around NJ? It would be a good race if you race an FD with the same power. If you can't find anybody there I surely can make one if you want to come to Kansas? Money=horsepower right?

why would that be a good race man?

i think i am just gonna watch today folks. pretty cranky.

It was one of the top plug wires, so trailing. Even after making sure that bastard was securely fastened, the damn car still isn't running right. Right at about 7k rpms it stops making power, so I have to upshift, which drops me out of my powerband. If I try and accelerate through it, it feels kind of 'lumpy,' not cutting out or anything but it just stops accelerating. AFRs are in the high 10s, so I don't think that's it. EGTs and Fuel px look fine too. Very frustrating.

The trailing being loose is believable. Its your tuneRich. Seams like the temperature correction map is off. This happened when it got hot right? I remember the car running better before the summer hit.

you might try the Denso racing iridiums, cleaned up my top end break-up, but perhaps you have a more serious coil/electrical issue

it's always something with these cars, I just couldn't take driving a Mustang like every other high school/college kid in this town :)

Yeah, It ran much better in the cooler weather. It that's the case, I may ditch the PFC altogether, because I'm sick of this shit.

Speaking of tune, i know that you leaned out the AFRs and advanced the timing for these races from your street tune, and were running with an almost empty tank of gas. You'd better be careful, popping a motor racing an FD would be pretty embarrassing ;)

I have brand new 10 series race plugs in the leading. I'm wondering if my old fc leading coil is finally giving up the ghost......

High 10's? aren't you running WI?

you need to be in mid 11's with water.

Maybe that's the problem, I would love it if it was that simple. Due to intake temp correction, my AFRs at WOT tend to be +/- half a point. They were in the mid 11s last time I drove the FD (about a month ago). I'll go in and adjust the AFRs, thanks for the tip carson :).

:rolleyes: this sounds familiar... I raced a mostly stock 03 (intake, catback, pulley) when i still had my evo. this guy advanced his timing and leaned the fuel to run me from a stop (he was on DR's). I got him by a nose cause i messed up the launch. later that night he went to beech bend raceway in BG (this was when i was in school at WKU) and he poped the motor cause he didnt put the timing/ afr's back. and he said "dude, this motor will take anything, trust me it will never blow" before the race when i said "watch out or it will pop." :uhh:

I'm glad to hear you say that. :)

im not within power range.. 295rwhp at 13psi but ran him nonetheless only at a peak of 11psi three times at rotorfest..
rich was at 15psi on those runs..dont think his fd is runnin right and isnt producin the power its supposed to...
its indicative of the times he was generating in comparison with that of mine...

that mustang does look and sound nice.
im not that far from clifton, you guys should let me know next time, i think im fast enough to be the camera car.

yall should try etown next wednesday....

ill prob be at etown nex weds......
my cars right around 440-450rwhp(low boost)

-dj

Maybe I'll come down and run ya. Only stipulation is we both run pump gas.

if i was up to you power levels id take you up on that offer. maybe next year. we could bracket race?

I'm sure we have few FDs that should well against the Cobra....

I should have my FD ready next week to play:-)
JD

I can vouch for this. I have been in my brothers car (goodfellas) plenty of times and recently it has been running like utter shit. It is know where near as fast as it has been (last couple months). The car does not pull strong all the way to 8k like it used to and the way the power has been coming on hasn't been as smooth as I remember. The day that Rich raced Ihor we went to get lunch in his car before meeting up w/ ihor. He proceeded to rev out 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear. After, we both looked at each other like, WTF?!?! Why is the car running abnormally? Don't get me wrong, the car 'felt' fast but in no way ripped through the gears as it had on previous occasions (I always keep an eye on the AFR and the Tach).;)

Ryan

You also can tell nothing from the video that Ihor posted, that's obvious

if that was directed towards me.. then thats fine.. although there is a gas station right around the block that sells 110 leaded from the pump :)

-dj

93 octane

^scared?? :)

I had the same problem with traling plug wire it seemed to drop h/p about 15/20% I later found out the inside of plug wire was loose and had white chalkey dust. It ran fine until upper rpm's. It also caused higher egt temps.

I can't agree to jus run 93octane cuz I always throw in a couple gallens of 110 just to be safe but I will agree to run no more then 16psi... for reference I made 426rwhp at 13.5pounds on str8 93octane...

What turbo you running? Must be decent sized.

nice kill...now rich...get your car running right and do it again...oh and run showoff in the meantime....we need more good kill videos

T78.. Not 2 big

-dj

now THAT i wanna see ^ vs. Ihor

Yeah, and PLEASE put it on video :D