SLOASFK

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Montego, you should save your effort. It seems the problem is that he has a 92 Civic and because of this, he sees a new Honda that is quicker than the civic, so it has to be teh best.

rx7henry, tell me this, because I honestly don't know...What's quicker, the RSX Type S or the S2000(AP1 or AP2)

Because if the S2k is quicker, you can do a quick search and see there are TONS of threads in this kills section of FDs smoking S2ks.

You're grasping at straws here, just man up and admit that you were wrong.


As for your comments about people on this forum loving their RX-7s... the ******* domain name is rx7club.com, if you don't like it, stay on 3ZC or honda-tech.

mdpalmer

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Hey guys, this is wee-todd-did Hard for me to see why people get all pee-ood about stupid **** like "FD superiority complex", etcetera.

Bottom line is that "stock-for-stock", the FD wins a straight-line acceleration contest (speaking in general terms here; pick your racing distance... 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, 1 mile, whatever). DUH! It's a numbers game and the FD wins--period. Makes no sense to me why anyone even tries to argue about this crap.

FWIW, I've driven very hard an Integra LS (my "chore/beater" car), Integra GS-R (for a week), RSX Type-S (for a week), S2000 (short "test" drive), stock (sequential) FD, and my modded FD. *** dyno says stock FD accelerates better than any of the aforementioned Hondas.

The RSX-S is a great car, no doubt about it. I am actually thinking about picking up a used one with all the goodies on it to replace my 'teg. But c'mon man, it's in a different class altogether. Now, if you start talking about turbocharged/supercharged powerplants in those things... the gap is narrowed, but whatever. I've never ran into one of those, and depending on how much power it's making, I'm sure it would give me a hard time. The shitty thing about that is that you have to start qualifying your potential to win a given race based on your mods. After you add any performance parts to your car, all bets are off, you're comparing apples to oranges, and I think that you can bench race all you want.

Actions speak louder than words. Just shut up and race!

rx7henry

Honestly, I have been into the whole rotary thing before it blew up after that drift **** and fast and furious ****. You assume I don't know jack about our cars. The rx7 was actually the first car I purchased and owned. I still love rotaries to this day. Never been an FD? I've been in Ls1 powered fd's that your wankel might never touch.
I am not making any personal attacks because I'm sure you have a very nice and fast FD, but why so much effort to put down the Honda?



Hey, if you haven't noticed, the car magazines you read and all that other **** isn't really the holy car bible. The proof is in the pudding. I won't sit here feeding you **** I read off someone's internet site and what not, but thats not gonna stop you. I'll let you experience all this in real life on the street since you think thats the best place to race. You can never say you have first hand experience if you haven't.
What *** dyno are you talking about? I can care less about dyno numbers, as they don't mean a damn when you can't prove them with timeslips. You're the one posting those dynosheets over and over again like you're on energizers.
I am aware you have a fast FD, but I know theres a lot out there that are stock or close to stock, so any info given to them is in their favor in aid to beating the Honda. Is that not the point of a forum? Maybe we should just all sit here and have you preach to us.



Haha, 93VRTouring, why do you think I am so strung out over this thread? Rsx faster than my civic? Same powerplant so he better be running some 750+lbs of weight reduction. Not too many Fd's will even touch the kseries hatch, and thats before mods. The new age swap is no longer b or h series, so I think Hondas do stand a better chance now. If a 13brew inside a sa/fb is fast, and we all know it is, the kseries hatch is very similar in terms of power to weight. Yes, I drive a Honda, maybe I should be shot & hung because my car will save me loads in gas money and almost never break down.



The type S is just a bit shy of beating the s2k stock to stock, in some sense its even a drivers race (s2k takes advantage from rwd so whatever) in the 1/4. An intake and just the kpro will definately take out the s2k. The powerplant with a simple ecu flash can take out evos off a roll (no big deal right? but the evo makes around 270 with turbo out of a 2.0, so you figure it would still win given the weight difference [rsx-2700lbs vs evo-3000/3100lbs] and the fact its engine is force inducted, but it doesn't). Alright, argue that the evo is unmodified, but the evo comes stock with more hp over the rsx than the fd, so whats the next excuse?


Its just frustrating to find that not even a single post can get through here without the shunning that goes on. You post a kill, "the seven can never lose." You post a loss, and it just opens up a book full of bullshit. Yes yes, you post numbers you find on the internet, I am sure they are the most correct possible forms of information you can get, besides actually driving and running cars at the track in real world scenarios, and I'm not talking about just your own.


Here you go, the first slip is at 13.1 all motor type s.

rx7henry

This one is for 13.9 still all motor. And heres 2 more at 13.9 and 13.8. Please note as these are all motor numbers. Any kind of forced induction will only bring these digits down.
Will your dynos prove that the cars are faster than each other? NO. Its a pure showing of power output only.

rx7henry

Yep. I agree. Finally an FD owner that doesn't sound like a 'rotard'.

rx7henry

Man up? Who's the two here ganging on one? I have not accused anyone of being wrong, and feel no need to admit to ****, as everyone is entitled to their own opinions. How will you feel after I tell you to admit your wrong?...!?..exactly.

blacknmild874

coming from a honda owner myself. you're wrong



"The type S is just a bit shy of beating the s2k stock to stock, in some sense its even a drivers race (s2k takes advantage from rwd so whatever) in the 1/4. An intake and just the kpro will definately take out the s2k."

if i can find the vid of a very good friend of mine with his 02 rsx-s with CAI, RSR ex mag exhaust, and hondata reflash vs. a friend with a bone stock s2k losing i will post it up. give me a couple minutes.

RotaryEvolution

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who really gives a ****.. i said his car wasn't running properly and it is a walking race not bus lengths and i reiterate a good driver vs a mediocre one can win or lose a race.

2 of 4 of my cars are rotary powered and the third is soon to be a FBP 13B as well so if anything i am biased pro rotary but some people have very different views of a dyno sheet vs real conditions on the street and mainly taking drivers into account. this was about why a loss happened, not which car was faster with the same driver.

Wargasm

This thread has sure been busy!

I used to have an '02 RSX-S. It had more kick than most people give it credit for and handled better than average once you ditched the POS stock all-seasons, but there is just no way that your AVERAGE stock RSX-S will beat your AVERAGE stock FD (in reasonable working order).

I'm in no way anti-Honda.... I liked my RSX except for the MASSIVE number of warranty repairs (over 8,500 dollars in the first 2 years) I had. That's the only reason I sold it... I blame the warranty problems on first-model-year syndrome coupled with my *ahem* spirited driving

I replaced it with an '00 S2K which I also think is a great car and has been much more durable than my '02 RSX-S was.

Montego

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so what? I bought My FD in 98 way before most people knew what an FD was. It does not add one ounce of credibility other than I love these cars from the very begining.

no but I'll assume that there is a serious lack of reasoning skills involved. especially after this:

If find it interesting that you have never ridden in an STOCK FD and make this claim:

How lame is it that you make that statement as part of your reasoning but YOU YOURSELF lack half of your OWN argument? the irony... lol you never ridden in a stock or even a wankel powered FD so what do YOU KNOW? Please tell me

Who is putting down the honda?

BTW a 13.1 is nothing to be proud of.

I also posted NUMEROUS 1/4 miles times did you forget about that as well?

and you are the one who chooses to ignore power and weight, and previous posted 1/4 mile times.

Sermon starts at 12 don't be late.


I have a question for you:

If the RSX- is sooo to be respected and feared according to you why did the thread starter put +4 car lenghts by adding a DP and CB with an UNTUNED ECU?

rx7henry

Alright, nowhere on this thread will you find that I said I've never driven an FD. I've driven 2 and they weren't modified or anything, but they are sure as hell faster than my FC (felt like a tii on roids').


Keep in mind that car is running all motor with power to weight worse off than the FD. I guess all FD owners run 12s or lower than? 13.1 is a fraction of what street cars on the road can provide, not to mention a fraction of what most of them will cost, edit in saving gas at the same time, and reliability but you can disregard the latter as they are bonuses.


I NEVER said they were anything to be feared. Hell, I am not even advocating you give respect to the car. I am on the otherhand supporting that the engine was engineered well. With those mods, the turbo should be a lot better off in terms of breathing, so the FD will certainly be faster....than a stock rsx with cai, but not to say that its slow by any means, just pointing out the original race.

I enjoy discussions like this, and am glad you chose to participate in as well.

Heisenberg

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How about more info on this car. Road tests show a bone stock Acura RSX type S runs roughly a 15.0@94.5mph. What exactly has been done to it that shaved off an additional 2 sec?

I also dont understand what you are trying to prove. Honda does make a good reliable car. However the numbers dont lie. As far as performance is concerned the FD outclassed the Type S from the factory. Its not that i dont like the type s. I just would not choose it as a platform for a performance project.

Montego

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well I specifically asked if you "Have you ridden in good working stock FD" and you answered with you riding in an LS1 FD. Which to all reasonable people that means no I haven't but I've ridden in this instead. Otherwise, what does an LSI FD has to do with this conversation or the question at hand?

exactly power to weight... It's not that hard to hit 12's in an FD with some bolt ons.


I never said the car was slow. All I have ever said that rsx with a CAI is no match for good working stock FD. That has been my whole point on this thread. Yet some of you "chuckle" at that statement as if it untrue. Nevermind that for some reason you took it as if I was bagging on the car. Which BTW, it's not the case by any means.

Edit- Just for the record IMO RSX-S is not a fast car it's but it's "peppy" which exactly what it is intended to be: an affordable FWD car that is fun to drive. Again that does not mean that the car can't be made into a HP monster either. One just has to throw enough $$ at it.

rx7henry

Alright, there seems to be enough info from both sides that I believe these 8 pages can be laid to rest.

Montego

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I agree

XxMerlinxX

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I concur.

mdpalmer

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FINALLY!!!

ArmenMAxx

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Damn, i feel like i started WWIII. Never again am i going to start a thread about RX7 loosing lol.

TehMonkay

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I'm not reading the thread all the way through, but vtech is nothing like the 6 port induction. 6 port induction adds timing and "lift", it does not adjust it. You can take out the ports and actuators and many favor doing so.

I'm not even going to try benchracing like you've done. If you believe Honda is so great go hang out with the honda people and go worry about how you're gonna' get traction and emphasize how great it is that your sports car gets 34mpg, because we all know thats whats important right.

How many Honda CRXs and Civic Si s got sold in the 80s during the production of the FC anyway?

Hmm.

Asterisk

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You are... VERY wrong. Althrough, i am a rotary guy, The K20 is darkness, darkenss that got locked away in a FWD chassis... with "mc-pherson" struts for god's sake!

Asterisk

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Let's go then! ok, there is this little trick with K20 engines. There's a JDM company called TODA Racing. They make an Engine kit, that coupled with I/H/E Produces about 60+ hp.

Their exaust produces 8+ hp (60mm id). Then, with a Injen RS intake, and Toda RACE header (it eliminates the cat) you get a +38WHP/21.6 lb-ft gain.

So, thats already ~210 WHP 152.5 lb-ft ride. Mate this to the ^ speed with great ratios, and you get yourself a realy nice ride. (The DC5 is also light car, around 2500lbs, fully stock.)

Now, as for this kit, its only: cams, springs, retainers, and a Hondata K-Pro programmable ecu.(kinda like a SAFC.)

The ECU alone, raises the rev limiter to like 8500+ rpm if youre confident, lol.
Also, at full throttle, the vtec engagment is at 3900rpm now.

Ok, final power stock: ~231 WHP & 165 lb-ft.

This is taking into consideration, stock tires, clutch, and open diff. If you swap those out, you get a lot better power delivery, and can even tune for more fuel to get around 250+whp down the road...
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And that's if you go all-motor....

There's also this: HKS turbo kit + FCON V-Pro/ clutch/ and some other stuff = 320+ HP... and buttloads of honda reliability, lol.

Before the FC, the DC5 Integra/ RSX was and is one of my favourite cars.

It's just that atm, for the money, i can build a n FC and enjoy it more. A DC5 is realy more of a track car then a wangan racer, too.

Asterisk

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K20: darkness, darkenss that got locked away in a FWD chassis...

rx7henry

Please, if your gonna talk ****, spell correctly. Ofcorse, "vtech" isn't like a 6 port, they makes telephones. Heard of vtec killer cams, same idea bucko. Anything that advances your timing to provide more power at that certain rpm and upwards are designed for the same reason.

No one is benchracing here. I have witnessed and experienced all this in real life. What are you speaking from? because it sure as hell ain't first hand experience. Since you decided to make a wise crack at me & tell me who to hang out with, I do hang out with Honda people. We get along VERY WELL with the rx7 guys over here, because they aren't douchebags that think rx7's are the only car to own. Why is it that guys like you HAVE TO be so narrow-minded. OKAY, YOU DRIVE AN RX7, BIG ******* DEAL! Go write a book. Miles per gallon? If you like getting 12mpg in your ride I don't pay for your gas so be my guest.

Wtf does this have to do with anything?


This dead horse has been bleeding for days, either let him be or other INFORMED individuals (yes including other fellow rx7 owners) will tell you the RSX is not bad for what it is, as many of them have proved good points and had not came in hear just to put Hondas down. So before you say "hon-duhs are a pos, ricer, etc bullshit", do some research and try driving around the different manufactures, before you just judge & assume.

Asterisk

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****, my psot got screwed up. Anyway to carak and henry, you guys are wise, keep it that way please. So who cares that a DC5 wont touch an FD? I still love both cars equaly... so please GTFO and get some air.

EDIT: sry for the triple post btw... THAT, yo can bitch about all you want, lol.

rx7henry

Oh, come on! This is an rx7 forum for crying out loud. If you win post the win, if you lose, post it. Without first-hand, you have a bunch of owners that don't know possible outcomes, sitting in the dark. It is always good to know the enemy, and what you need to beat them are. Assumptions will get us in trouble, but knowlege is power.