wildfc3s

hey guys i have was wondering I am still new to drifting but my problem is when i get sideways and hit the gas once i go into boost its all over i spin out do i just need a bunch more practice.

Valkyrie

I think you've answered your own question

Although I suppose more rear grip might help...

Stock turbo, right?

jgrewe

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You don't run out of talent, you run out of steering lock.

LexTalionis502

Common problem with beginning turbo drifters.

You should really pick up this video: Drift Bible

You can't go wrong with the word of Tsuchiya san.

Keep practicing, and be safe.


Just remember, there is more to drifting than power.

Bigretardhead

don't step on the gas soo much. you'll need to feather the throttle a lot (maybe use the clutch too if needed) to keep from spinning out, esp. if you're at low speeds.

more grip and more steering would help also, but you should be able to slide it as is with more practice.

Boswoj

Did you notice that this is the "racing" section? Perhaps a "subjectively judged adolecent rebellion fad" section would be more appropriate for posts of this kind.

Stanello

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LexTalionis502

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wildfc3s

thanks guys i think i will pick up the drift bible, that little corolla is a really great story. again thanks

jgrewe

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Ouch! Us old guys (39?) aren't slamming your automotive equivalent to figure skating because its stupid, its because its not RACING. Yes, it takes talent and car control but so does auto-xing and thats not RACING either.

...and it will pass like other stupid trends...

If it was racing and it was the fast way around the track then Gilles Villeneuve would have won the championship. Check your history book to find out who he is.

BobfisH

Drifting isnt about speed, what your saying jrewe is like a bike racer saying riding an excercise bike is stupid becuase your not RACING and your not moving along, it takes fitness and rhyhm but it will pass like other trends.

The point is you do it for different reasons, just like figure skating is done for a different reason to skate racing.

And person above, try not being so heavy on the throttle. I find i push the throttle, dont get the power i need (because there is no boost) so id push in more, then the turbos would spin up and id have too much power and round i go.

Dont floor it, once you get the back end out pick a throttle position and hold it until the car either continues to break traction or snap back in. If it snaps back in, use more throttle/less opposite lock/longer handbrake, and reverse rule if you spin. With a little practice you will get it right, hit that spot and youll learn then the little throttle movements that control the rear of the car as well as keep it sliding.

And please please please BUY THAT DVD before trying to drift again. It really is excellent.

wildfc3s

thanks alot BobfisH i will do that asap i have a warehouse distirct down the street and the security guy is really cool he likes to watch lol. I will try what you said my first problem was when i would slide i would move my right hand down to the shifter and off the wheel and that didnt go over so well being that I'm so new dont have alot of control yet. Also do you have powersteering?

spot_skater

If you want the drift bible I can send it to you over AIM if you've got a broadband connection.

It really is all about practice, by the way. If you've got space to do it, set up some cones or something, and just go at it. Although it's best to do it at a track or event, not everyone has that luxary all the time, so the safest thing would be to do the cone thing.

Lots of people say drifting's gay, it's a fad, etc. But that's all opinion. If it's fun for you, and you don't mind going through tires like crazy, enjoy it, lol. But play it safe.

My AIM SN is spot skater.

jgrewe

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Don't get me wrong. While I may not "get" drifting I know it takes talent to do it well. I look at it being a good way to learn car control so when things go wrong racing you don't run out of talent at the worst time. If you don't end up moving over to racing, well, I think your wasting that car control. Notice I said "over" not "up" to racing. Whatever gets you off, ya know, just be safe doing it.

If I was to build a car for drifting I'd shorten the steering arms on the spindles somehow to get more steering angle from the same amount of steering wheel twist. Damn, see what happens! It involves a car! I can't stop myself from imagineering a car to fit the situation.
That's what its all about...

Bigretardhead

so get someone to make a god damn drifting section already.

I believe RETed has done this... I think some guy from mazdatrix has done it too. thye were getting a TON of angle. and I gave a few extras to one of my friend's uncle's who is a machineist or something who hopefully will be able to figure out how to do it as well...

LexTalionis502

I wasn't bagging on you man, and 39 sure as hell isn't old. I know exactly what you're getting at. I'm not a fan of stuff like D1, really because there is no race there. More of a fan of racing myself, I can appreaciate what drift brings to the table though because it's something that can be utilized in racing, and it does take a certain degree of skill. My comment wasn't purely directed at the other guy.

Remember, at the end of the day, it's all just things you can do to have fun with your car. Nothing more, nothing less.

kapono

Hey dumbass, this "adolecent rebellion fad" is actually pretty well seated here in Japan, has been for about 20 years and will continue spreading like your cancer like it or not. There is a reason why it has gained a public eye beyond The Fast and the Furious bullshit because there is true skill/risk involved when doing it that people like you could never begin to comprehend. If what you have to say is out of complete ignorance, then guess what? You will make an *** out of yourself every time. Perhaps you should spend your time flaming elsewhere or better yet...just find another hobby other that hiding behind a computer screen and saying what you'd never say in person. It's members like you that turn people away to a forum like this one. Go waste your energy somewhere else

kapono

Let us know how that works out. That would be nice if it did.

Boswoj

So krapono - I could give a **** if it's big in Japan. If you had bothered to search ANY of my previous posts you would see that I really don't have any problem with having just about any kind of fun in cars that doesn't endanger innocent bystanders. I've participated in MANY forms of motorsport and still roadrace a regular schedule whenever I can fix it faster than it breaks. I also volunteer a fair amount of my time to instruct at high performance driving schools and regularly instruct a novice racing schools. I'm certainly not hiding behind my computer, as the car in my avatar is my actual racecar. Sliding cars is fun, and I have done it for entertainment myself. Ignorance is not the reason for my comments, as I can pretty much guarantee that I have more experience behind the wheel than you do - IF you have any! You did hit the nail right on the head in on aspect though; YES! I am trying to alienate you! We WANT to turn people who are typical drifters away from this forum, unless they actually came here to post about RACING. Did you even notice that the header said RACE CAR TECH, not EASILY MARKETED FAD FOLLOWER TECH? The RACERS who this forum is specifically for mostly feel that drifting posts are off topic spam! Not becasue they have a problem with drifting, per se, but becasue IT IS NOT RACING. Racing is judged with a stopwatch - winning and losing are clearly defined contests without the need of style points. Drifting is synchronized swimming on four wheels with all the foolishness of petty subjective judges and teeny bopper hype. I've seen plenty of drifting on video, and when they are actually driving it looks like a lot of fun and a fair amount of skill. Sure, the waving and getting out of the car and some of the "showmanship" exhibitions make them look like morons, but hey - thats the kind of stupidity that adolecents love. SO perhaps the a-hole isn't the "racer" who sometimes posts on a "racing" forum, maybe it's the drift dork. Go find a drift forum, and I will absolutely never cause you any problems there because I would never GO there. Oh, and while we are on the subject - the crest of the drifting wave has pretty much passed here on the West Coast. It has it's small nucleus of hard core followers, but the short attention span generation is already moving off in other directions. Good analogy with spreading like cancer though. Like any fad it spreads uncontrollably for a short time, then kills it's host. Cancer and drifting - either you kill it or it kills you. Just as well though, because for it to go big time means rules, licensing, organization, and authority - all the things that would make it unpalatable to it's current fans.

P.S. - Do you have one of those cars that folds up into a soda machine over there in Japan? That's another thing that probably won't get big over here. Like drifting.

kapono

Man, this is getting fun! Dude, give it up. You're fighting a losing battle...So, you've spewed your "credentials" out as if we should all give 2 *****. I don't particularly give a damn how much experience you have behind the wheel doing what it is you do. As far as I am concerned, you can be a professional Nascar driver and I'll tell you the same. All you have broght to the table is ignorance via generalizations and tried to finish me off with a mere non sequitur! This is a pretty open forum to just about any topic there is out there. Who the fu*k do you think you are to determine just who should frequent it and the dictate the topics that should be brought into it? Ooops...I apologize, I suppose with your "credentials", you can walk in here and claim yourself to be an administrator and force out who you want? Fu*k yourself man...Its an american forum that plays by American rules...Freedom of choice and speech. If you want to excercise that much control of a forum, perhaps you should create your own so you can start, debate, and finish your own threads all by yourself because you are clearly not very open minded and clearly ignorant of the topic at hand which is all I pointed out.

Below are some examples of how your blatant ignorance continues to burn me:


1) I wasn't only referring to the states you small minded bastard! It has gained popularity in other parts of asia and Europe as well.

2) It is usually on abandoned roads/airstrips, industrial areas that aren't used at night, or mountain roads in which organized drifters carry 2 way radios and have people carefully monitoring both the start of the course and on the end of the course. If there is any on coming traffic that comes in during the run, the car(s) involved immediately stop what they are doing and commence normal safe driving. Team or club drifters are far more mindful of bystanders and certainly more calculated than any street racer ******* I have ever seen.

1) I suppose you in your infinite wisdom were around for the creation of this forum? Stop attempting to validate your ignorant statements with generalizations
and assumptions like this forum is specifically for racers. Another question, do you open your spam e-mail up? Because you have found your way back to this thread 2 times so far and I am sure you will follow up for the 3rd only to reply after 2 days of thinking your response through.




You continue to generalize here...and OMG did you just say "style points" by the way? You have obviously played too much need for speed my friend. Advice: Get off the X-box and get out to an organized event once. I challenge you to open your mind to that at least. Drifting is in fact judged on (1) speed (can you close in on your opponent, keep up, or overtake him for the automatic win and still maintain control of your car through the run?) Hence the 400-500+ HP cars that are professionally drifted. In the nutshell, its a portion of a race with added variables to overcome. (2) How much risk taken to pull off maneuver successfully(Which is the only thing you can call relatively judged by how close you get to walls/barriers without hitting them, or how close you get to running off the course and spinning out of control for the loss, and . The facts being presented, essentially it is about how skillfully you can control and be one with your car while maintaining the highest amount of controllable speed with the available handling. What the hell is not skillful about a driver pushing his self tuned/designed in many cases vehicle to it's limits?

Hmmm... Don't look now, but you've just contradicted yourself.

Once again he shows his ignorance...You speak as if the world revolves around the fuc*in states. All of the ameteur events here are sanctioned and a D1 license is required to participate at the pro level (the D1). A D1 license isn't just something you get by opening a box of fuc*ing cracker jacks my friend. You have to compete at ameteur events and earn your way up to it by winning events and gaining your reputation. Rules, there are plenty...and as far as being unpalatable to its fans...You certainly won't be recognized or respected by fans as any sort of talent for not following rules. I'd hate to think that everyone who follows drifting is a narrow minded idiot. But the sheer fact that it is being implied by a person who shi*s out of their mouth and calls it gold like you...I don't feel so bad.

As you probably develop your opinion by a lot of the teenage American drifters, who no doubt power slided their ways out of the theatre parking lot after FF3 nearly killing innocent bystanders, lets explain...The problem with alot of drifters in the states is that (1) many of them are young (2) they haven't learned from or compete with people who are very experienced like they are here (3) they don't have the many sanctioned ameteur events that they can participate in like we do here. Hence the fact that SOME of them do dougnuts or powerslide a corner and think its drifting. You probably have never seen it actually being done with any high degree of skill besides the videos you have seen and obviously need for speed hence the comment about "style points". I myself have never started a thread about drifting, but this guy had a simple question and needed an answer. What gets me is that people like you see the titles of threads you don't like, access them, take the time to read them, actually waste your energy posting and then coming back. What a ******* waste of time...no? Perhaps you should educate this whole damn forum with your wealth of knowledge and bless us with your presence because we are honored to have you here. From a more informed standpoint, this sport is enjoyed more by people in their mid to late 20's and even into the 30's so their is nothing adoloscent about it.

Congratulations!

Bigretardhead

alright, so if you think this section of the forum is not for any post about drifting, maybe you should look a little closer at the forum. when you open the "RACE CAR TECH" portion of this forum, you should immediately notice two sub forums, one of them labeled:



"Race Techniques
Talk about your Drifts, Autocross, and Drag techniques in here only!!!"

now, why would they say to talk about drift technique in the sub forum of a forum that you're not supposed to say a single word about drifting in?

besides that, this is the closest section of the forum to talk about this stuff in. so, if you don't like it, than go bitch at a moderator who can actually change it for you and stop waisting your time by posting in these threads. because I guarantee if you post a question about drifting in any other section of this forum, they will move it here.

DamonB

The "Race Techniques" forum was created so the drift guys could talk about their drifting exploits.

kapono

Thanks DamonB. This is what I call a helpful post. Straight and to the point.

sniperstevedave

Forgive me, but I was under the impression that for a normal car (meaning not race modified, no blowers, etc) in some situations drifting can allow taking corners faster that otherwise. Of course, it is not necessary for a car with enough braking and acceleration ability, since they can brake and accelerate so rapidly that drifting would actually be slower. The point is that drifting can be a way to make the most out of the car you have.

Or am I totaly off base here?

Also, lets not get so high and mighty about living in America. If the states are so great, how come only the Europeans and Japanese know how to build high tech, fun cars? Have you seen an exciting Ford lately? I am trying (slowly) to teach myself Japanese so I will can work for Mazda and build the next generations of rotary engines. American car makers are way to conservative to be able to do anything innovative, IMHO. Ford once bought a license to build rotary engines, but they didn't pay the little bit extra to get access to the research already done by Wankel & Co., Grumman, and Mazda. They tried to make the engines out cast iron like they made everything else, and the whole project failed spectacularly. Makes me proud to be an American.

Node

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the only kind of RACING w/ drifting is rally racing.