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Old 01-14-08, 04:57 PM
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new racer racing

i want race road...rolex sports cars ect...

i need cash to get started and its taking me longer then i want it to...........big drag.................
are there some type of programs people or places that can get rid of his obsticle if i could i would just kick it out the way but ^^^^^ isnt that easy .......
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Old 01-14-08, 05:11 PM
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no cash = no racing

not even L. Hamilton started out racing for free



If you're still in school, don't bother.

Otherwise, if money is an issue, start with karting.
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Old 01-14-08, 05:31 PM
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Karting can be an inexpensive way to go roadracing. Though as with everything racing, you can spend a whole lot of money. The only thing that will get the "obstacles" out of your way is Hamilton or Schumacher talent. Though they both spent a lot of their parents money getting started.
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i want to start karting just for the extra edge in skill......sordof peperation for f1
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Karting is the best way to start. I went from an improved touring mazda to a kart. Nothing like pulling 3+ lateral g's, you will find muscles you did not know you had.
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No esperience = no talent. No money = no experiance. No talent = no paid rides. Lots of the guys you see racing in Grand Am, Koni Challenge, Speed World Challenge and so on are paying to be able to drive there. Some through personal sponsors, others are paying out of their own pockets.

Don't kid yourself, no matter how good of a driver you think you are, no matter how good at street driving you might be, you're not going to just jump in a race car and go fast, not even close. It takes years of practice and good instruction to get good. All of the greats did the same thing, started out at the bottom, got experience, DOMINATED everywhere they went, attracted sponsors, were able to afford to move up to faster cars with more media coverage, DOMINATED, got more sponsors, moved up more and so on. Even the back of the pack guys in F1, Cart, Indy, Rolex, etc will be better than almost all of the amateurs out there, and those that would be able to give them a run for their money would be the national champ types who've been at it for years.

The first lesson everyone learns when they go out on track is that they suck at driving. EVERYONE.

Not to discourage you, but it's like saying "Hey, I want to play in the NFL, but I've never played football, how do I get on a team?"
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Old 01-14-08, 08:20 PM
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I'm selling my Rotax powered CRG chassis kart if anyone is interested....
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CRG's are very nice, but expensive
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Originally Posted by Black91n/a View Post
No esperience = no talent. No money = no experiance. No talent = no paid rides. Lots of the guys you see racing in Grand Am, Koni Challenge, Speed World Challenge and so on are paying to be able to drive there. Some through personal sponsors, others are paying out of their own pockets.

Don't kid yourself, no matter how good of a driver you think you are, no matter how good at street driving you might be, you're not going to just jump in a race car and go fast, not even close. It takes years of practice and good instruction to get good. All of the greats did the same thing, started out at the bottom, got experience, DOMINATED everywhere they went, attracted sponsors, were able to afford to move up to faster cars with more media coverage, DOMINATED, got more sponsors, moved up more and so on. Even the back of the pack guys in F1, Cart, Indy, Rolex, etc will be better than almost all of the amateurs out there, and those that would be able to give them a run for their money would be the national champ types who've been at it for years.

The first lesson everyone learns when they go out on track is that they suck at driving. EVERYONE.

Not to discourage you, but it's like saying "Hey, I want to play in the NFL, but I've never played football, how do I get on a team?"






as i said the time is jus passing
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OK, I'll try to take it easy since it seems like I am always being too hard on young guys who want to race .....

This topic has been discussed repeatedly on this and other forums, might be good to search a little for more info. Here's the basics of it:

Money is the key to racing. Doesn't matter whether it is your money or someone else's, every time a car goes on track to roadrace wheel to wheel it costs a pile of money. If you want someone else to foot the bill, then they have to get something out of it. Generally, sponsorship comes with the expectation that you will not only be competitive (WIN!) but also be a full time representitive of whatever person, product, or service is putting up the cash. The kind of person that gets sponsored is typically someone who has already proven (on their own dime) that they are passionate about racing and can win, and present a polished, educated, appealing, and outgoing persona that will be favorably associated with the sponsor. So, lets take this a piece at a time -

How do you prove that you have ability, desire, and the will to win? You start by attending a few autocrosses, and maybe a BMW CCA driving school or two with whatever road car you car lay your hands on that is acceptably safe and in decent repair. It doesn't have to be fast, it just needs to give you an opportunity to start exploring the limits of vehicle dynamics without flushing a wad of cash down the toilet. Maybe you discover it isn't what you thought it would be, or that you aren't the natural talent you incorrectly assumed that you would be and it's still time to pick something else to be passionate about. If you still feel that you HAVE to race then there are a couple choices. Either way you live on nothing and forget about cool clothes, consumer electronics, and partying with your young friends. You scrape together all of the money you are not frivolously wasting on youthful pursuits and you prepare a roadrace car or kart (they are remarkably similar in cost at the low end) and spend all of your spare time learning, cleaning, modifiying, improving, and adjusting it. Forget having a girlfriend, they will want time that you can't spare.

The cost to run a poorly prepared ITA car at a local amateur event is probably something like $1000 for the week-end once everything is calculated out. With most sanctioning bodies I would assume that you would have to run AT LEAST four races a season to have a chance at winning a class championship. Operating a kart is less on race week-ends, but you will need to go to more of them to win a championship.

So now you have sacrificed and learned and won your championship. You have something, although pretty meager, to offer a potential sponsor. Keep in mind that he can choose from probably 100 different kids who would like to be sponsored even at a tiny level who have earned a championship at some point. That means the things he is going to judge you on are in addition to that. How old are you? How hard are you on equipment? How well do you speak? How do you look? Do people naturally like you? Are you bright? Hard working? Do you work well with others? Are you team player?

I hate to burst your bubble, but being a good enough football player to make it to the NFL is a one in a million shot and there are a LOT more people being paid to play football than are paid to drive a racecar. Being a professional driver anywhere in the world puts you in a very exclusive fraternity, and being a professional roadracer in America makes you a member of a MUCH more exclusive group.

If you truly think you might possess the talent and skills required to really make a run at this as a carreer, then by all means follow your dream. Be prepared to sacrifice everything for it if your daddy doesn't have a million dollar checkbook handy. The poster above was wrong - even with collosal talent, no one will ever know who you are without money being spent. You will definitely need to sharpen up your presentation skills because the lack of the ability to spell, punctuate, or capitalize just doesn't impress us mature types with sponsorship dollars. Whining about the impediments that are holding you back simply illustrates that you are more interested in complaining than getting out and making contacts and working deals to reach your goals. Anything is possible if you are willing to work hard enough, so quit complaining and get to work. Go volunteer for a race team, and learn everything you can. Talk to drivers, go to local events and actually listen to what the guys who have already been there have to say. Read every book you can find about driving, engineering, maintaining, and setting up racecars. Work on polishing your image, take public speaking courses, learn how to spell and operate the shift key. Learn everything you can about sales and marketing.

Oh, and if you are older than about 16 and nobody has ever heard of you in a racecar? You aren't going to Formula One. There are Brazilians who have been beating everyone they race in a kart since they were three years old lining up to take those spots. There are Germans who's parents own kart tracks who have been grooming their children since they could walk with driving coaches and press agents. There are British children who have run 15 different fomula series and won every one of them in a country where three quarters of all the F1 components in the world are made. F1 isn't looking for whiney kids who are sitting around waiting to be discovered.

Good Luck on your quest - now get to work.

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Well said and good advice, but I'm not sure who you're reffering to on the no money issue. I certainly never said that you don't need money. You certainly need to pay your way into the ground level.

I remember reading in a Grassroots Motorsports a while back that there's only a handful of paid road racers in the US, and some are there because they set up their own team, or are paying themselves from their company they own or so on. They also said something like the prize money for last place in one NASCAR race is more than pretty much any pro road racer in the US will get paid in a whole season.
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"The poster above was wrong - even with collosal talent, no one will ever know who you are without money being spent.

Who said anything about racing not costing a boat load of money?

"You will definitely need to sharpen up your presentation skills because the lack of the ability to spell, punctuate, or capitalize just doesn't impress us mature types with sponsorship dollars. Whining about the impediments that are holding you back simply illustrates that you are more interested in complaining than getting out and making contacts and working deals to reach your goals."

100% on the mark with this.
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Old 01-15-08, 12:05 AM
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My pro driver friend paid for his own drives for 5 seasons before he finally got a full sponsorship for the 2008 season in Koni Challenge. He ran 2 years in MX-5 Cup, a season in SCCA World Challenge, a season in Koni Challenge. I remember he spent something close to $700,000 to compete in a season of World Challenge.
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And if you've got a Raikkonenn-esque personality with only Joe Slow talent, you're not going ANYWHERE professionally... top-level drivers have to be marketable (good looking, and a good public speaker), not just fast (AND consistent).

IIRC, the total purse for each NASCAR event is something like $4,000,000.

I'm not even sure if road racing in the US even has prize money (excluding INDY or Champ Car)? Hell, even LOCAL level oval track drivers get DAMN good prize money, for what they're doing (turning right 500 times).

BTW, if you're not about 10 years old at this moment, don't even bother dreaming about a shot at F1... it's already too late for you.
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Hell, even LOCAL level oval track drivers get DAMN good prize money, for what they're doing (turning right 500 times).
Uh, you mean left.

I think it would be great if the teams didn't know which way they were going to run on an oval before the race!
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Eh, I don't see why they couldn't race either way.

Nascar is gay anyway.
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Even though most of the chassis and driveline is closer to tractor technology in nascar, they are pretty fast tractors. The suspensions are so asymetrical they want to turn left you choose to chassis depending on how fast that turn is.

I'd just like to watch the wrecks if they switched the direction on them at the last minute. Then maybe I wouldn't fall asleep faster than if I do if I watch the Golf channel.
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The suspensions are so asymetrical
heck, even the bodies are asymmetrical.

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And if you've got a Raikkonenn-esque personality with only Joe Slow talent, you're not going ANYWHERE professionally... top-level drivers have to be marketable (good looking, and a good public speaker), not just fast (AND consistent).

IIRC, the total purse for each NASCAR event is something like $4,000,000.

I'm not even sure if road racing in the US even has prize money (excluding INDY or Champ Car)? Hell, even LOCAL level oval track drivers get DAMN good prize money, for what they're doing (turning right 500 times).

BTW, if you're not about 10 years old at this moment, don't even bother dreaming about a shot at F1... it's already too late for you.
it'il be great just to buy an f1 and go blast it at a track......

so far the most expensive things i've ran into were the ca rentals ....and if i bring my own i don't see the complication ....do not see a problem with renting nither besides maybe the damages it may endure
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No it wouldn't.

Have you seen the episode of Top Gear where Richard drives the Renault R25?

F1 cars are a bitch to drive, apparently. Not to mention you need an army of mechanics to run one.
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No it wouldn't.

Have you seen the episode of Top Gear where Richard drives the Renault R25?

F1 cars are a bitch to drive, apparently. Not to mention you need an army of mechanics to run one.
just a hi tech go-kart to me just lke most autombiles today
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F1 cars are a bitch to drive, apparently. Not to mention you need an army of mechanics to run one.
No open wheel racing is an amazingly easy to drive, if you want to be competitive. My recommendation to rxing87, is that you take this off time, and condition yourself to be able t handle the physical stamina it takes to race a real racecar. Also, before you go dumping several thousand dollars into a huge road race car, test your skills in a go-kart. It still takes some money, but not near as much to get started, or to maintain. Everyone starts out in karting. So I would look into getting a kart, and finding a somewhat local track to build your skills...

Just my $0.02
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yea my go kart is broken have to fix it...... soon ,,,,,,,,,,,i want to get another tho.....

its actualy kinda the reason im not racing now due to i have no >lisence<
i got pulled over by a cop and he ticketed me ,that led to my license ^ being suspended.....including other incidents also led to my license being suspended i took care of most have to go to court still to clear it

i get my license then the next day i get a notice saying its going to be suspended 15 days later..no bigie ......have a failure to appear they say is wats holding it(liscense) now
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