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01-17-08, 06:36 PM
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I wouldn't necessarily say that, it just hasn't happened in a while, partly because racing in the US is heavily focused on those that either go in circles (oval racing), those who like it dirty (dirt track racing) or those who don't turn (drag racing). For road racing in formula cars Indy or Cart are seen as the top levels, without much of a connection to F1 or anything like that. In Europe especially there are all those feeder series like GP2, F3, and so on and there's an established hirearchy sort of thing going on where if you win in series A, then you can reasonably easily move up to series B.
Media coverage is a huge issue for potential sponsors, because even if you're winning and it's exciting racing and you're charismatic and well spoken, it doesn't matter if no one will see it. The fact is there's not much media coverage of anything but the highest levels of road racing in North America, and then you have to win to get them to show you on TV.
Media coverage is a huge issue for potential sponsors, because even if you're winning and it's exciting racing and you're charismatic and well spoken, it doesn't matter if no one will see it. The fact is there's not much media coverage of anything but the highest levels of road racing in North America, and then you have to win to get them to show you on TV.
01-17-08, 07:17 PM
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If there was an American in F1 (who actually wins), it would probably be some kid who moved from California after DOMINATING in karts to England at ~17 or so, and got a contract with a GP2 team...
I don't imagine even the younger guys in Formula Mazda have much of an F1 shot, unless they decide to move to Europe. Hell, Japan has MUCH better support for low-level Formula and other forms of road racing, and Takuma Sato lives in England...
I don't imagine even the younger guys in Formula Mazda have much of an F1 shot, unless they decide to move to Europe. Hell, Japan has MUCH better support for low-level Formula and other forms of road racing, and Takuma Sato lives in England...
01-17-08, 07:47 PM
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He would not even have to win, just finish in the top 15 every now and then to start. The systems in Europe are more focused on building their drivers for F1, where as here, drivers just want to make a living racing, regaurdless of what the series is. Racers in Europe are are professionally groomed from day one.
Example - Marco Ardigo (IT) ran the SuperNationals over here. Listening to him speak about the performance of his kart, and what changes they needed to make was amazing. This is only for karting, imagine when they move up the ladder.
For any Formula1 organization to recognize an american, that american would have to stand out, an destroy the competition in what he races which makes the chances of any american advancing much morer of a long shot.
For the record, Formula Mazda's are probably the funnest thing I have ever driven, race car wise
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Example - Marco Ardigo (IT) ran the SuperNationals over here. Listening to him speak about the performance of his kart, and what changes they needed to make was amazing. This is only for karting, imagine when they move up the ladder.
For any Formula1 organization to recognize an american, that american would have to stand out, an destroy the competition in what he races which makes the chances of any american advancing much morer of a long shot.
For the record, Formula Mazda's are probably the funnest thing I have ever driven, race car wise
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01-17-08, 09:16 PM
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He would not even have to win, just finish in the top 15 every now and then to start. The systems in Europe are more focused on building their drivers for F1, where as here, drivers just want to make a living racing, regaurdless of what the series is. Racers in Europe are are professionally groomed from day one.
Example - Marco Ardigo (IT) ran the SuperNationals over here. Listening to him speak about the performance of his kart, and what changes they needed to make was amazing. This is only for karting, imagine when they move up the ladder.
For any Formula1 organization to recognize an american, that american would have to stand out, an destroy the competition in what he races which makes the chances of any american advancing much morer of a long shot.
For the record, Formula Mazda's are probably the funnest thing I have ever driven, race car wise .
Example - Marco Ardigo (IT) ran the SuperNationals over here. Listening to him speak about the performance of his kart, and what changes they needed to make was amazing. This is only for karting, imagine when they move up the ladder.
For any Formula1 organization to recognize an american, that american would have to stand out, an destroy the competition in what he races which makes the chances of any american advancing much morer of a long shot.
For the record, Formula Mazda's are probably the funnest thing I have ever driven, race car wise
.(not to mention the actual costs of racing one)
I'd be happy if I could afford ONE gently-used 125cc TAG kart... (although apparently at the upper levels, people tend to completely wear out a frame in a year, so I've heard)
Except it wouldn't be feasible for me to do karting in the states, since Japan has like 150X the density of kart road course distribution than the southern United States does, not to mention used karts are cheaper there.
01-17-08, 09:31 PM
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But 99% of the people on this forum can't afford a $50,000-120,000 race car (depending on which type of Formula Mazda)
(not to mention the actual costs of racing one)
I'd be happy if I could afford ONE gently-used 125cc TAG kart... (although apparently at the upper levels, people tend to completely wear out a frame in a year, so I've heard)
Except it wouldn't be feasible for me to do karting in the states, since Japan has like 150X the density of kart road course distribution than the southern United States does, not to mention used karts are cheaper there.
(not to mention the actual costs of racing one)
I'd be happy if I could afford ONE gently-used 125cc TAG kart... (although apparently at the upper levels, people tend to completely wear out a frame in a year, so I've heard)
Except it wouldn't be feasible for me to do karting in the states, since Japan has like 150X the density of kart road course distribution than the southern United States does, not to mention used karts are cheaper there.
01-17-08, 11:16 PM
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What, so you think that a Columbian, or maybe a Brazillian has a better chance than an American maybe? They've given us some very good drivers recently, so why can't the US? There's nothing to say that it can't happen if that's what you want, you just need to be willing to persue it enough, and most likely move overseas.
01-18-08, 01:07 AM
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Dude, you are nothing more than a kid, who must have seen some sweet racing on T.V. and decided that was your choosen career path. You are more excited to get into racing, that you don't even seem to care what form of racing you get involved in, drifting, road race, karting, autox, ect. That is not passion... Racing is not just about getting in the car and driving the fastest. Personally, I have to train everyday of the week, put in several hours in the gym, watch what I eat, ect. Provided, I am sure that the training routines change from different forms of racing, you have to put in several off track hours a week too. Also, this is 2008, not 1960. Now I loved Dale E just as much as anyone, but being the red neck who grew up with nothing doesn't sell the product anymore.
My advice to you, is to grow up, get/try to get your G.E.D, examine your life, find something you are good at, and invest your time in that.
I am 19 too, and have grown up with nothing as well, but this is my dream, and I found a way. Best of luck to you dude, but give up racing, unless you can be content with recreational racing...
My advice to you, is to grow up, get/try to get your G.E.D, examine your life, find something you are good at, and invest your time in that.
I am 19 too, and have grown up with nothing as well, but this is my dream, and I found a way. Best of luck to you dude, but give up racing, unless you can be content with recreational racing...
:no not exactly(i did not see some racing on tv and ect....ect....ect
okay so just because i am into all different types of racing opportunities shouldn't be a real downside
i am more into road racing (cascar) sports car,....etcetera ,gt
i just love driving ( i guess you were saying your a racer )much respect ,,....but if i had much experience drifting i might just drift right past you on a track(purposely of corse
01-18-08, 01:28 AM
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:no not exactly(i did not see some racing on tv and ect....ect....ect
okay so just because i am into all different types of racing opportunities shouldn't be a real downside
i am more into road racing (cascar) sports car,....etcetera ,gt
i just love driving ( i guess you were saying your a racer )much respect ,,....but if i had much experience drifting i might just drift right past you on a track(purposely of corse
01-18-08, 03:39 AM
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you slow to take a turn i am already going for the pass ,so while I'm at the passing point and know i have you i pass you (but sideways)drifting
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What, so you think that a Columbian, or maybe a Brazillian has a better chance than an American maybe? They've given us some very good drivers recently, so why can't the US? There's nothing to say that it can't happen if that's what you want, you just need to be willing to persue it enough, and most likely move overseas.
As for the kid, you watch to much F&F. There is not a chance you will drift a Rolex sports car. Those things barley clear curves they are so low, much less be able to take jacking all the weight of the car to one side.
I think you need to buy a civic, go to Burger King, get some food trays, and insert them under your rear wheels. Then, drive around down, "sitttn tyte mad sidewyz yo". Get it on video, and post it. If you hit no cars within your first five miles, then I will be inpressed.
Hate to kill anyones dream, but I know how hard it is to make it. Best of luck
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For everyone except rxing87:
I don't watch a lot of racing on TV since Speed channel became the NASCAR channel, but I did get to catch the Monaco Gran Prix last year. The announcer said that if you want to race F1, you have to work your way up by winning every lower level feeder racing series. Then when you are ready to ask a racing team for a test drive in their F1 car, you need to have $1,400,000 cash to pay the expenses of a one day test drive. That's right: $1.4 million is the cost to rent a race track and bring an F1 team and rebuild and operate their car for just one day. You have to be a proven championship winner and have big buck sponsorship just to get a test ride. Geez, I thought the $2500 for a 3 day weekend to operate my 1st gen RX-7 vintage IMSA car was expensive.
For rxing87: You go boy. Your're on the loosing track
I don't watch a lot of racing on TV since Speed channel became the NASCAR channel, but I did get to catch the Monaco Gran Prix last year. The announcer said that if you want to race F1, you have to work your way up by winning every lower level feeder racing series. Then when you are ready to ask a racing team for a test drive in their F1 car, you need to have $1,400,000 cash to pay the expenses of a one day test drive. That's right: $1.4 million is the cost to rent a race track and bring an F1 team and rebuild and operate their car for just one day. You have to be a proven championship winner and have big buck sponsorship just to get a test ride. Geez, I thought the $2500 for a 3 day weekend to operate my 1st gen RX-7 vintage IMSA car was expensive.
For rxing87: You go boy. Your're on the loosing track
01-18-08, 08:48 AM
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IMO, thats no way to get your ride. Like I said before, you HAVE to start at a young age, and get on one of the teams junior team programs. Look at Hamilton, the kid was set up from the start. He has always been on the Macleren team, even in his Formula days. Provided the guys is a straight up baller, that is how you do it the right way. Americans had their shot (on US soil) with the RedBull driver search. Scott killed everyone here, in everything, and unfortunatly he did not shine in F1. There are proper ways to get there, if you have the talent. "Renting" a race team for a day is NOT the way to do it.
P.S. SPEED channel is fine, but the good racing only comes on at 1AM...
P.S. SPEED channel is fine, but the good racing only comes on at 1AM...
01-18-08, 09:26 AM
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01-18-08, 11:02 AM
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Anytime the wheels turn a degree you scrub speed. Thats why you use the whole track, and turn as little as possible lol. As for the drifting passes..
Here is how a drifting pass is made...
Someone pulls inside or outside of another car, and tries to out brake him, when he realizes he has gone a bit too deep, he slams the brakes, and somehow manages to hold the car sideways through an entire turn, and is amazed after it is completed. That or he ends up off the track in a way, or in the hay bails.
Here is how a drifting pass is made...
Someone pulls inside or outside of another car, and tries to out brake him, when he realizes he has gone a bit too deep, he slams the brakes, and somehow manages to hold the car sideways through an entire turn, and is amazed after it is completed. That or he ends up off the track in a way, or in the hay bails.
01-18-08, 11:19 AM
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The rolling friction (grip) of a tire is higher than the sliding friction. Therefore someone going around the corner as fast as possible at the edge of adhesion will be faster than someone drifting around the corner.
Sure drifting teaches you car control, but that's all about control in a slide and the object of road racing is to keep it right at the edge of adhesion without sliding, and you don't really learn that while drifting.
Sure drifting teaches you car control, but that's all about control in a slide and the object of road racing is to keep it right at the edge of adhesion without sliding, and you don't really learn that while drifting.
01-18-08, 11:41 AM
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The rolling friction (grip) of a tire is higher than the sliding friction. Therefore someone going around the corner as fast as possible at the edge of adhesion will be faster than someone drifting around the corner.
Sure drifting teaches you car control, but that's all about control in a slide and the object of road racing is to keep it right at the edge of adhesion without sliding, and you don't really learn that while drifting.
Sure drifting teaches you car control, but that's all about control in a slide and the object of road racing is to keep it right at the edge of adhesion without sliding, and you don't really learn that while drifting.
Since most passes in corners are done with some sort of impediment, it opens a lot more opportunities to do so while sliding.
Unless of course, you get punted and sent off track.
01-18-08, 02:36 PM
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If you dive bomb someone in a corner and intentionally slow you both down by sliding the car in front of them, you will get punted off the track. Either unintentionally by the guy you just slid in front of, or very intentionally by that same guy at some future point in the race.
God help you if you do it in front of a Spec Miata.
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God help you if you do it in front of a Spec Miata.
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01-18-08, 02:51 PM
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For everyone except rxing87:
I don't watch a lot of racing on TV since Speed channel became the NASCAR channel, but I did get to catch the Monaco Gran Prix last year. The announcer said that if you want to race F1, you have to work your way up by winning every lower level feeder racing series. Then when you are ready to ask a racing team for a test drive in their F1 car, you need to have $1,400,000 cash to pay the expenses of a one day test drive. That's right: $1.4 million is the cost to rent a race track and bring an F1 team and rebuild and operate their car for just one day. You have to be a proven championship winner and have big buck sponsorship just to get a test ride. Geez, I thought the $2500 for a 3 day weekend to operate my 1st gen RX-7 vintage IMSA car was expensive.
For rxing87: You go boy. Your're on the loosing track
I don't watch a lot of racing on TV since Speed channel became the NASCAR channel, but I did get to catch the Monaco Gran Prix last year. The announcer said that if you want to race F1, you have to work your way up by winning every lower level feeder racing series. Then when you are ready to ask a racing team for a test drive in their F1 car, you need to have $1,400,000 cash to pay the expenses of a one day test drive. That's right: $1.4 million is the cost to rent a race track and bring an F1 team and rebuild and operate their car for just one day. You have to be a proven championship winner and have big buck sponsorship just to get a test ride. Geez, I thought the $2500 for a 3 day weekend to operate my 1st gen RX-7 vintage IMSA car was expensive.
For rxing87: You go boy. Your're on the loosing track
.....where is the winning track???????????
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01-18-08, 03:43 PM
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If you dive bomb someone in a corner and intentionally slow you both down by sliding the car in front of them, you will get punted off the track. Either unintentionally by the guy you just slid in front of, or very intentionally by that same guy at some future point in the race.
God help you if you do it in front of a Spec Miata.
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God help you if you do it in front of a Spec Miata.
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I'm not describing a slide and stop to block a guy and get out in front. I guess when everyone says slide, they mean a decent amount of angle. It's not always the case.
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If you dive bomb someone in a corner and intentionally slow you both down by sliding the car in front of them, you will get punted off the track. Either unintentionally by the guy you just slid in front of, or very intentionally by that same guy at some future point in the race.
God help you if you do it in front of a Spec Miata.
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God help you if you do it in front of a Spec Miata.
1/2
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