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Old 05-20-06, 08:37 AM
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Spec7 allows for very slight mods including polyurethane bushings (Suspension Techniques) and springs (TMC or Racing Beat), and requires a substitution of driver's seat for a single piece bucket. If I'm reading the rules I downloaded correctly.

SCCA Solo II Stock class does not allow for any of these mods. Street Touring, however does allow.

However the rules for Street Touring say that it's for Sedans. Would they allow a 7 in there?

Does anyone run the same car in both Spec7 and a certain class of Solo II?

I'd be fine for changing out seats or something quick. Changing springs and bushings every event is gonna be a PITA.
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The 7 would fall into STS2 which is a class for two-seaters. However, you'll need to cage the car and pull the carpet to be legal for roadracing and that will probably bump you out of STS. At that point you might be able to SMII but you'll get monkey whored as that class usually producing some very fast competition that a Spec7 prepped car isn't able to deal with. If you just want to compete there is always a class available for whatever you show up in as long as it's safe.
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is there anybody that has the rule book for a 88 tII. everytime i try scca site it doesnt show on my screen. can somebody copy and paste the rules. im looking for scca it and nasa. can anybody help out. i want a triple threat road race car
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The SCCA and NASA road racing rules are posted on their respective sites. Solo rules aren't posted. You need to purchase the book.
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If you prep to spec 7 rules you would be in FP but you could probably run in EP as there is an allowance for road race 7s in that class.
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SCCA Solo II (autocross) rules are posted on the SCCA site.

Follow the link and click on the 2006 Solo Rules.pdf link. That'll download the entire rulebook to your computer, or you can look at the individual sections by clicking on the links below it.

http://www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=0185DF-4C6AE00&x=050|070&~=
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still wont work on my computer just checked. can some1 post the rules on here or pm me?im looking for scca nasa it everthing for the rules on a 88 tII. thanx
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I believe an ITA 7 can run in CSP. Is there a big difference between Spec 7 and ITA?
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I forgot that when I posted about the class. You maybe able to fit into CSP also under the Spec 7 ruleset. When C. ludwig said pull the carpet my mind went right to Prepared.

1300cc tuner: I don't know Nasa's rules but if you post up what you want to do to the car we can get you an Auto X class and tell you the rules. TIIs are in B Stock, B Street Prepared, B Prepared, E modified, or Street Mod 2.
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Basically, I want one car to fit into both Spec7 and a noob friendly autocross class.

I've only been to two autocross events. Both of them were the Mazda sponsored test drive events, "Rev It Up" and "Zoom Zoom Live"...

I want something where I won't get whored or laughed at. I'll probably get that enough in Spec7

Originally Posted by Spec7 Rules
1. INTERIOR - No gutting is permitted. Only the radio/stereo, speakers, carpeting, padding over the rear wheels and the rear storage boxes may be removed. All other interior items must remain in place.
No gutting permitted? without carpet, bins, and the plastic over the rear wheels, isn't that gutted? What all do you have left? Door panels and a dash. Seems pretty gutted to me.

Does a headliner count as carpet?

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Originally Posted by Pele

No gutting permitted? without carpet, bins, and the plastic over the rear wheels, isn't that gutted? What all do you have left? Door panels and a dash. Seems pretty gutted to me.

Does a headliner count as carpet?
No, headliner must stay. FYI, there is a difference b/t padding and plastic over the rear wheel wells (plastic must stay). There is still quite a bit of 'gutting' to be done even after the carpet, sound deadening, plastic bins and wheel well padding is removed.

PM me if you want to talk about Spec7.
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88 tII streetport standalone 720s and 1600s inj. t04b. no ps/ac. fully gutted no interior exept dash. looking at wheel sizes really doesnt matter as long as i get the traction. full suspension. if wheels too wide rolling fenders. with all that what class do you think i can run. and any suggestions on mods and classes would be great. thanx
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1300ccTuner, SCCA only allows turbo cars in Showroom Stock/Touring classes. None in IT, Production or GT. You can probably run in a regional class called "SPO" and get on the track. Its sort of 'run what you brung' , there are a lot of different cars that show up to run and they just need basic safety equipment. That means weld in cage, fuel cell and fire system. That will give you the right to have your butt handed to you by a guy with more money in his tranny than you have in your whole car but you'll have a ton of fun.
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no turbos? what are you guys doing in IT. pp? whats a good carb
so what class would i be in with a bridge port and a nice carb?

jgrewe: when is your next event? isnt there a daytona track day coming soon?
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IT are 'stock motors'. In the case of the rotary, stock porting. A bridge ported motor would fit in, IIRC, GT3.
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I think that bridgeport is a 12A in GT3, IIRC you get put in GT2 with a 13B.

We're running Sebring the first weekend in June with my shopmates car.
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Originally Posted by Bruceman
I believe an ITA 7 can run in CSP. Is there a big difference between Spec 7 and ITA?
IT means Improved Touring, right?

It's not listed in the rulebook.

Classes listed in the 2006 Solo Rulebook I see are:
Stock
Street Touring
Street Prepared
Street Modified
Prepared
Modified
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Originally Posted by Pele
IT means Improved Touring, right?

It's not listed in the rulebook.
You aren't looking in the correct rulebook. The General Competition Rules (GCR) cover the requirements for classing of road racing cars. You are looking at the Solo rulebook (hint: "solo").

The GCR is available for download on the SCCA web site. There are several classes that the RX-7 runs in.

The entry level class is Improved Touring, 12A powered RX-7's run in the ITA class, 13B's in ITS. The rules for IT are fairly restrictive - you are allowed to gut the interior, exhaust is open, intake is open (with limitations), radiators and cooling are open, suspension is fairly open. You have to use the stock body and all panels. Brakes are stock, tranny is stock, diffs are anything that will fit. Forced induction cars are not allowed. Tires are DOT.

IT was designed to try and be a relatively inexpensive class. Having said that, people are spending between $20k - $50k on the top competitive cars in class.

"Spec-7" is a regional class for first gen 12A cars. Think of it as IT-light. Less mods, more stock.

The next step up is the Production class. FCs run in E-Prod. Many more mods are allowed here. Engine porting (although mild porting only IIRC) and carbs are allowed. Composit body panels are allowed. Slick tires are allowed. Here is where racing gets real expensive.

Beyond Production are the various GT classes. There are other classes like Showroom Stock (for newer cars) and Touring. The student is encouraged to read the GCR for the details on these classes .

What I think that the earlier poster was pointing out was that a properly built ITS class FC should also be able to run in the Solo-II CSP class.

Hope this helps,

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Originally Posted by wrankin
You aren't looking in the correct rulebook. The General Competition Rules (GCR) cover the requirements for classing of road racing cars. You are looking at the Solo rulebook (hint: "solo").


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Ah... I was looking in the Solo rulebook for what class I'd be able to fit into in Autocross. I thought Solo = Autocross...

I'd like to be able to do both Autocross and road racing.

I guess Road Racing is also called Club racing?
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The SCCA allows cars prepped to certain racing class rules to compete in SOLO ll. You can't combine rules and pick the ones you want from each book and create a 'hybrid'.
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Originally Posted by jgrewe
The SCCA allows cars prepped to certain racing class rules to compete in SOLO ll. You can't combine rules and pick the ones you want from each book and create a 'hybrid'.
I'm not trying to create a hybrid.

I'm trying to build a car that fits into one class for road racing. That'd be Spec7. And I'm trying to find a class that same car will fit into for Solo.
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For SoloII, as I understand it, you will be in Street Prepared. As Spec7 is usually a derivation of IT, you can use the clause that allows IT prepared cars to compete in their respective Street Prepared class. Note that you have to use one ruleset or the other. You cannot create a hybrid of the two rules. Usually the issue is that people will buy and extra set of wider wheels and tires for Solo use as SP has no limits in that area. If you are coming in to SP through the IT clause, as I understand it, that is prohibited.
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Originally Posted by V8Mongrel
For SoloII, as I understand it, you will be in Street Prepared. As Spec7 is usually a derivation of IT, you can use the clause that allows IT prepared cars to compete in their respective Street Prepared class. Note that you have to use one ruleset or the other. You cannot create a hybrid of the two rules. Usually the issue is that people will buy and extra set of wider wheels and tires for Solo use as SP has no limits in that area. If you are coming in to SP through the IT clause, as I understand it, that is prohibited.
Spec7 REQUIRES one type of tire. Toyo Proxies RA-1 205-60R13 86V... No other tire is allowed. That's pretty much the widest tire you can get under the 1st gen without suspension modification of different offset wheels. So wheels are no problem... Besides, wheels are easy to swap out before an event.

I need a class in Solo that will be okay with carpet and padding removed, unrestricted suspension, but stock engine and drivetrain.

I believe porting and gearbox changes allowed in IT. I'm gonna get whored bad enough with no experience. Having the stock 100HP (Flywheel) and stock carb 1st gen up against a 200 HP street ported, Holley carbed, close ratio transmission car is just gonna make it that much worse.
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Exactly what V8mongrel says. And I'll add that I hope you don't count on being competetive in SP with a Spec7 prepared car. Spec7 allows less than general IT rules and SP allows more than IT in most things. An aluminum flywheel and almost "anything goes" on the outside of the engine come to mind. You'll have fun anyway and at local events people will talk about you behind your back,"Oooo, he races on real tracks, I wish I was him...." Or something like that

No porting or gearbox changes in IT. You get into Prepared rules in SOLO then and you can run a GT car there. Full tube frame and all!

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Originally Posted by Pele
Spec7 REQUIRES one type of tire. Toyo Proxies RA-1 205-60R13 86V... No other tire is allowed. That's pretty much the widest tire you can get under the 1st gen without suspension modification of different offset wheels. So wheels are no problem... Besides, wheels are easy to swap out before an event.
OK, you are missing the point here. You CANNOT swap wheels. In order to run as an SP car, you must run 100% as a Spec7.

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I need a class in Solo that will be okay with carpet and padding removed, unrestricted suspension, but stock engine and drivetrain.
That would be Prepared however if your car is a logbooked and legal Spec7, you can run in Street Prepared. Why? Cause they will kick your *** anyway.

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I believe porting and gearbox changes allowed in IT. I'm gonna get whored bad enough with no experience. Having the stock 100HP (Flywheel) and stock carb 1st gen up against a 200 HP street ported, Holley carbed, close ratio transmission car is just gonna make it that much worse.
You believe wrong. Read the rule books. Porting is allowed, but is very, very limited so if you are thinking of a race motor, that isn't what you will see in IT. Rotary porting is even more restrictive, IIRC. Gearbox must be factory. If you have never done autocross before, you are going to get your *** whipped anyway, so quite worrying about the damn car and get some seat time.

If you don't have a real (aka with a logbook) Spec7, then you will run Prepared. If you do, you will be Street Prepared.
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