jickel180

Really? Why don't you call them out?

SR20DET>All

TheSparo

A - Ca's do not 100 percent of the time need rebuilds. Most JDM motors will have near the same mileage due to the 3 year rule in Japan, where it is not cost effective to keep a car after 3 years. Hence why most engine suppliers say their motors should have around 36k miles.

ok, reading comprehension is your friend, did i say 100%? no i said nearly... and the reason i mentioned that is because they have been sitting in the yard doing nothing but collecting dirt and rust for a few years longer....

A big reason why the Sr20 make a TAD more horsepower is due to having the bigger AR t25 turbo, this is why many CA owners go with SR20 t25 turbos and make, and let me say this clearly, ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME HORSEPOWER.

yea i guess it's all the turbo making that extra horsepower... it has nothing to do with head flow or more displacement... yea lemme put a t28 on the red top, GUESS WHAT???? i would have almost the same horsepower as an s14 blacktop Not to mention, when you go with the CA motor you will have a grand left over. These motors are iron blocks and can handle 300whp easily with good tuning, but goes for almost every motor. The same goes for KA24DE-t's, they're very strong blocks.

B- As for your lower compression higher boost factor, you're techinically wrong on that.

Compression is not the only limiting factor on adding boost or withstanding boost. It is also based on Volume efficiency and cylinder, and block (bottom end). Freaking magazine racer.

well obviously, i gave a simpleton answer for a simpleton person... and yea lemme show you my subscriptions

Just because the motor has more compression, does not mean it will make more power. Volume efficiency and Brake specific fuel consumption and displacement come into play.

i know it doesn't automatically mean that, but two similar engines, one with more displacement? guess what again, the one with higher displacement will make more power... damn.. what a concept


For the Sr20 versus CA section of my arguement.

- The CA weighs 40 pounds less than the Sr20 and is 80 pounds lighter than the 13b.

i agree... for the first time with you

- The sr20 has an inferioir head design due to the rockers which during high RPMs causes valve float. The sr was designed during Nissan's financial struggle so cutting corners was inevitable, thus the inferior design. The SR uses a bigger turbo than the CA thus why it produces more hp, and an extra 2 psi than the 8 psi on a stock CA. There's a good reason why the RB series motors are just like the CA's, only with two extra cylinders. One last thing, the CA has been known to handle 500whp on stock internals, just ask the europeans.

rocker arms are far from making a higher flowing head "inferior" or how you say it "inferioir" and yes the SR does have some minor valve float at high RPM, but still does not make it inferior, how many people have you heard of actually blowing their motor by this cause? i doubt any, it's not very common, but most buy RAS for preventitive maintinence.... again with the turbo thing? the SR ... n/m i wont bother... just go find the correct info for yourself. Yes the RB is very similar to the CA, they were great motors, i never knocked them for that, they are very reliable and can handle decent power... but the SR replaced the CA for a reason.. the SR has held over 530rwhp on stock internals... big whoop ask the americans
SR parts are more expensive.

You do realize redtop sr20's are almost just as old with only a difference of a year between the redtop and the last CA?????

again i'll reply when you research before you post...

Another reason the CA was discontinued was not because of performance or anything just that NIssan couldn't afford to make them anymore, they were at the verge of bankruptcy.

damn were you their financial advisor? bringing up all this **** about their "financial" problems... why would they produce a turbo engine w/ more displacement and power if they were on the verge of bankruptcy?

Last but not least, the world record CA and KA have more horsepower than the world record SR20.

wow go buy a KA and turbo it then... then you can say.. my engine has the world record for highest HP for 200rpm compared to the SR and CA

I'll admit I had some help from my brother becuase he is doing a CA swap into a 240sx.

it's good to gain information from other people... but not when they are ill informed... not saying he is, but you possibly...

But don't ever try to assume you know more than someone, and try to throw these petty magazine racer comments at anyone else again you dipshit with 4 posts coming on here like you own things. You also might want to read up on engine dynamics, throwing this high boost low compression corrolation. AND STAY AWAY FROM THE ISSUES OF SUPER STREET!!!!

I didnt assume... we all know what that implies... i knew... and again.. i can't seem to find these subscriptions you keep talking about... did you steal them?
Do you guys smell that? Damn I am on fire[/B]
i think the fire you are referring to is your flaming personality

Bodyshield

does a KA24DE have a turbo, no so that means it NA
does a SR20DET have a turbo, yes, so that means its FI, NOT NA
if you take the turbo off a SR20DET it becomes SR20DE, then you can compare NA to NA, i dont give a damn if the engine is different some what from a DET to a DE, if it wasnt so similar it wouldnt have the same damn name

KA NA > SR20DE, enough, jeeze

Ry Takashi

All in Favor.................. I

peacekeeper

Since when is there a 3 year rule in Japan? I have several friends that currently live in Japan, and they have been there for quite some time and say there is no such thing. I dunno, I have never been there, but this is from several people I have known my whole life.

Charles

aznpoopy

god this thread is sad

look at the thread title

it says ka24de(t), so obviously the guy intended to turbo the ka24de

who the **** is anyone is the 240 community? just bunch of guys with shitty 15 year old cars. don't get an ego trip just because i said your comment was embarassing.

Bodyshield

im the one who made the damn thread i should know what the hell i intended

aznpoopy

wtf mate...

(hint) i wasn't talking to you...

btw sr20de n/a is not a sr20det with the turbo taken off. i don't know for sure, but i think nissan would be smart enough to make the n/a sr20de higher comp and the sr20det lower comp. there are probably other differences as well.

TheSparo

just so you konw, i didn't say that, i just quoted "pat" on that one

jickel180

I dunno, but apparently I've embarassed them everywhere...if it were really just a bunch of guys with shitty 15 yr old cars, then it shouldn't matter enough to you that I embarass myself, and other 240 owners out there. Obviously there is more to the community than what you describe it as.

jickel180

Yes, the n/a sr has a higher compression ratio(9.5:1), distributor, smaller oil pump, no piston oil squirters, smaller injectors, smaller exhaust valves, etc...

jickel180

..then there's the 187 hp n/a sr20ve

Turbo II-FB

OMG TRS has invaded Rx-7 CLub!!

SR20DET>All

mmmhmmmm....

aznpoopy

my original comment was exaggerated and i apologize for it if it'll end this fighting... i mean we're seriously not even arguing over anything.

jickel180

Fair enough

AXMDR787BOY

First of all there is no 'three year rule' in Japan. New cars have their first inspection at three years, and every following two years. It is called the 'shaken'. It is a series of tests to determine that the car is road worthy. What ever is broken, you must get fixed. Be it exhaust, suspension or otherwise. Your car must also look stock. If aftermarket coilovers are used, then ride height must be stock at the time of the shaken. The shaken can become more than the car is worth after 7-9 years of age if the cars wasn't maintained well. The shaken can cost upwards of a 1000USD or more. It varies depending on what class the car is in. Based on weight and engine displacement and type, ect.

Second, I know you love your SR so much, but please take you’re over hyped engine somewhere else. Yeah, it can make 700RWHP, but from where 7500-8500? Yes I have owned a modded SR in a S13. I can say it was not worth the amount of money that went into it. HKS parts aren't cheap. Do I think the KA is the best choice? No. Stop trying to prove how good the SR is, when there are plenty of choices for the same money that will walk all over an SR.

I say if you have got a KA sitting around and want to throw it in, go ahead. The SR isn't a godly motor. You would think these guys were Supra owners with the forged by the hand of god attitude. Comparing stock for stock is purely idiotic at best. As well as comparing an engine that stopped production well before the VE and VET ever started. Lets not get into wrong wheel drive cars though. For the cost of buying a complete SR in good shape, you could build a complete KA-T. I mean good shape. My SR only lasted a couple hundred miles before it spun a rod bearing and needed the bottom end rebuilt. It was 3K for a clip, plus 2K for a rebuild. I needed to get a new crank from Nissan BTW for 500 alone. Got a couple aftermarket bits like rods and pistons and an HKS head gasket. 5K for the engine, another 5K in mods and for what? 350RWHP? Give me a break.

sushi bushi

Have yet to see the SR do it as well, several people in the US and Austrailia have done it, let alone the SR stock internals can handle 400max.

then dont comment on motors if its to hard for you, your sarcasm is like Michael Jackson giving candy to a little boy

The SR was built as a cheap cost effective alternative to the CA, not a more powerful alternative. If money wasnt the issue than Nissan would of put a bigger turbo on the CA and not waste development on the SR. Headflow lol I've had independent engineers do benchmark flow tests done on the heads and the CA always came out on top. 8500rpms thats it the CA does that stock with the rev limiter removed, with aftermarket parts the CA can do over 10,000. 500whp SR on stock internals? This I'd like to see. I've chatted with at least 50 different 200sx owners in Europe, I've been a member of the SXOC in 7 countries over the past 3years, and never once I have seen more than 1 SR powered vehicle putting over 450whp period, and they were heavily modified cars. I've seen way to many SR's blowing even by the turn of their key, for every 1 blown CA theres like 30 blown SR's, than again CA's arent popular so you wont see the big hp producing CA. Amazingly the same people on SXOC who said the CA cant handle 500whp on stock internals also said the SR cant do it either, even though you supposedly said SR's can and I've seen CA's do it as well, guess your comment was shot to ****. Nice try

Again your stupidity shines, its called a 1988-1989 Nissan Pulsar NX SE comes with the FWD CA18DE, stock parts are all over the place. Performance parts are still easy to find if your willing to wait for them to arrive. Geeze your an idiot.

Its called overstock or overproduction, Nissan did it with the 97 240sx they stopped production in 97 but had overstock to end in 98 so they badged them as 98's as well. Dodge did it with the vipers as well but for 2years. So yea the CA was discontinued in 1991. Shows how much you really know.

2years is to short for R&D. Alluminum is cheaper than Iron, making a SR costs less than making a CA.

Thank YOU SO MUCH that comment right there proved you have no idea what your talking about. Did you know that the CA has a coilpack ignition system OMG no way, the poor excuse of a BOV on the SMIC please the thing is garbage, WRONG the CA doesnt have the same injection setup. The CA uses a Top Feed low impedence injectors, the SR utilizes a Side Feed High impedence. After much research top feed low impedence injectors have a faster flow rate so response ridiculously fast. Did you know the SR and CA coilpack ignition system is interchangable just need to rewire them.

Oh wait im sorry who bought Nissan oh yea Renault bought Nissan when it was on the verge of bankruptcy. Sorry it wasnt a rumor many facts surrond this incident.

I'm surprised you've stooped so low to provide rumors as a form of a debate, please theres no SR's in Japan putting 900+hp. Go ahead and search everything related to a 900+hp SR were rumors, every comment was like "There are 900+hp SR but I have yet to see videos or data of it". Have yet to see Jun's 700whp SR doin 8's considering the worlds fastest 4 cylinder Nissan motor is a CA doing 9's in the 1/4 mile. In the US we've produced the same thing. In Japan and Austrailia they produce CA's with over 700whp. Jickel180 is a "embarrasment" spent a ridiculous amount only to produce less than 500whp.

yea look who's talkin.

So because he wastes his life being a post ***** posting wrong information on nico and who is a moderator makes him a god? just shows how much nico is like half wrong. Thats right he knows little, not enough to defend it

sushi bushi

[QUOTE=jickel180]Really? Why don't you call them out? QUOTE]

Sorry I have a life and dont spend my day trying to get 9000 posts on Nico. I actually go out and work on my car and engine instead of talking about them.

Turbo II-FB

He know plenty about SR's ...And has done planty to his SR ,STFU

ROADBUSTER

iTrader: (1)

School is now in session:

Sky Racing Silvia 800+ PS & made more power recently (this is an old story and photos from Option), 10500 RPM, T51, etc.

see all photos here: https://webspace.utexas.edu/baaskh/www/240sx/sky/

ROADBUSTER

iTrader: (1)

Here's some stock block power figures:

The phase2 drag car made power of SAE Corrected 526.5rwhp on a stock block SR. See dyno graphs here: http://www.store.yahoo.com/phase2mot...e2racecar.html

Enthalpy's car made plenty on the stock block which dynoed out at 539 rear wheel horsepower and 414 rear wheel torque. This was acheived at 26psi on 106 motor octane leaded race gas.

This is a stock bottom end sr20det that was pulled out of a junkyard, slapped together, had some pretty parts bolted on to it, and rode the [censored] out.

Currently this is 13 more horsepower than Nationally acclaimed Phase2Motortrend, who had their car professionally tuned by XS Engineering in California.

Read here:
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...fpart=all&vc=1

jickel180

[QUOTE=sushi bushi]

I don't even know where to start with you...after you eat your own words from ROADBUSTER'S tasty post, you should also see this taken from JUN auto's website: http://www.junauto.co.jp/democar/dra.../index.html?en


Where the hell have you been in the last few years?


Oh, you've been chatting with your SXOC friends too much instead of doing real research yourself, whom of which apparently have the final word in the SRs power potential.

Do you know me? You think 476rwhp is my final accomplishment power level? My SR project is far from finished, and I have built this motor for cheap by any motor standards. Making power costs money my friend, but maybe it's a concept you haven't grasped yet seeing how you've never seen "more than 1 SR powered vehicle putting more than 450rwhp".

hillbillyhector

you guys are just too much...

let me chime in to say, the real embarassment is the fact that its almost 2am, and I just wasted an hour reading this soap opera! ......an example of things going waaaay too far.



oh, and besides a nissan, the only other car an SR, CA, KA, or RB motor should go into is a DATSUN.