My 7MGTE swap
08-26-03, 12:29 PM
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a little extra torque?
I don't call 80-100 foot pounds a little.
but seriously though, whats the point in putting it in an rx7? why not just strip down a supra a little to make up for the weight difference? that'd be MUCH easier, and I'm sure just as fast as putting it in the rx7.
OK even if you stripped a supra down to nothing, it would still weigh like 3000 lb.
This engine shown is bigger than the supra engine, and is considered the "tiny" or "baby" engine in the trucking world. Just thought I'd clear that up.
It was a figure of speech, you no not literaly.
OK, well if that's true, don't you think your going to have a MAJOR problem with that with the way you inserted it into the car?
No, because were putting a vent over #6 so that air will circulate there.
Ah, my poor ex-car
By any chance did you drive that car into the bottom of a lake?
That is why the interior is torn out right now, Because there was TONS of mold under the passenger and drive's seats.
Well, I'll be honest. I don't like it.
What, scared of torque?
I do believe you could have found a better candidate for the swap
Like what? An SR20.
The 1JZ and 7M are unkowns to me, could someone list some specs of both motors and what cars they came in?
The 7MGTE is the MKIII turbo supra engine. And factors has 230 HP, and 250 Torque.
The 1JZ came out of a toyota Soara, and was a J-spec car only and has 280 HP, and 269 torque. And both those are at the flywheel.
But why didn't you do this to an NA? You could have sold the TII and gotten an NA AND paid for the engine/tranny with the money.
Ohhhmmm, because I got sick of the torque less wonder 13BT. And I wasn't going threw the hassle to get another car, and also I wouldn't have gotten that much from it, because it isn't in that great of shape. The back right corner has been rammed in, and needs to be cut off and replaced with a donot cars back corner. Because there must be 10 lb's of bondo in there.
an engine desinged way back in the late 70's early 80's..
I know what a 5M is.
a NA 2JZ is $ 1500 canadian without tranny..
post a link bud! 2JZ's go for 3k with no tranny off of ebay. And a short block with no head from toyota is 2K
Also it is not a 1JZ-GTTE, it a 1JZ-GTE, just because it is twin turbo, doesn't mean you type 2 G's.
and using the 7m gte as a 6 port planter in the garden.
Hey, if you don't want it, I'll pay shipping and you can send that "piece of ****" on down my way.
.. dude I own two MKIII's and the 7m is simply a long block version of the 5m..
Not quit, a 7MGTE has 4 valve's per cylinder, and has a longer stroke. And there are other difference's. Not just that it is longer.
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"The 7MGTE is the MKIII turbo supra engine. And factors has 230 HP, and 250 Torque.
The 1JZ came out of a toyota Soara, and was a J-spec car only and has 280 HP, and 269 torque. And both those are at the flywheel.
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actually your missing a BIG factor, the MA70 was an almost unknown in japan, it was the JZA70, a 1jz-GTTE, ( get used to the double T's kid I use it to distinguish between a swapped single turbo or parallel twins )
the JZA70 in Japan is a formidable street racer, due to it's light weight and excellent power output, the 7m was/is and always will be a dog.
"Ohhhmmm, because I got sick of the torque less wonder 13BT. And I wasn't going threw the hassle to get another car, and also I wouldn't have gotten that much from it, because it isn't in that great of shape. The back right corner has been rammed in, and needs to be cut off and replaced with a donot cars back corner. Because there must be 10 lb's of bondo in there.
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did you go to shool for advanced whinning ??
"post a link bud! 2JZ's go for 3k with no tranny off of ebay. And a short block with no head from toyota is 2K
Also it is not a 1JZ-GTTE, it a 1JZ-GTE, just because it is twin turbo, doesn't mean you type 2 G's."
Since I sell these engines to customers, I don't think I'll be posting too soon, however check out the cost of a 13BRE anywhere in the states on line , I can guarentee I can beat the price by $2500 US at least.. ( I paid $800 canadian for mine with ECU) .. if you want one however ( 1jz-gtte ) then I'll give you a quoted price and you can buy it.
"Not quit, a 7MGTE has 4 valve's per cylinder, and has a longer stroke. And there are other difference's. Not just that it is longer."
I said LONG block.. nothing else, the block is taller ( hence the longer stroke dude..) However the basic design tolerances and follies did not change, if anything they got worse.. you can buy a complete NA toTII build up kit for the price of a metal headgasket from HKS, te lapping required for that MHG and a rebuild gasket kit from toyota..
if I didn't think my block would be treated even more poorly then my planter idea, I'd send it to you.
The 1JZ came out of a toyota Soara, and was a J-spec car only and has 280 HP, and 269 torque. And both those are at the flywheel.
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actually your missing a BIG factor, the MA70 was an almost unknown in japan, it was the JZA70, a 1jz-GTTE, ( get used to the double T's kid I use it to distinguish between a swapped single turbo or parallel twins )
the JZA70 in Japan is a formidable street racer, due to it's light weight and excellent power output, the 7m was/is and always will be a dog.
"Ohhhmmm, because I got sick of the torque less wonder 13BT. And I wasn't going threw the hassle to get another car, and also I wouldn't have gotten that much from it, because it isn't in that great of shape. The back right corner has been rammed in, and needs to be cut off and replaced with a donot cars back corner. Because there must be 10 lb's of bondo in there.
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did you go to shool for advanced whinning ??
"post a link bud! 2JZ's go for 3k with no tranny off of ebay. And a short block with no head from toyota is 2K
Also it is not a 1JZ-GTTE, it a 1JZ-GTE, just because it is twin turbo, doesn't mean you type 2 G's."
Since I sell these engines to customers, I don't think I'll be posting too soon, however check out the cost of a 13BRE anywhere in the states on line , I can guarentee I can beat the price by $2500 US at least.. ( I paid $800 canadian for mine with ECU) .. if you want one however ( 1jz-gtte ) then I'll give you a quoted price and you can buy it.
"Not quit, a 7MGTE has 4 valve's per cylinder, and has a longer stroke. And there are other difference's. Not just that it is longer."
I said LONG block.. nothing else, the block is taller ( hence the longer stroke dude..) However the basic design tolerances and follies did not change, if anything they got worse.. you can buy a complete NA toTII build up kit for the price of a metal headgasket from HKS, te lapping required for that MHG and a rebuild gasket kit from toyota..
if I didn't think my block would be treated even more poorly then my planter idea, I'd send it to you.
08-26-03, 07:13 PM
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if I didn't think my block would be treated even more poorly then my planter idea, I'd send it to you.
How am I treating my engine so "poorly"?
I just don't see!
Since I sell these engines to customers, I don't think I'll be posting too soon, however check out the cost of a 13BRE anywhere in the states on line , I can guarentee I can beat the price by $2500 US at least.. ( I paid $800 canadian for mine with ECU) .. if you want one however ( 1jz-gtte ) then I'll give you a quoted price and you can buy it.
OK, get me a quote for a 2JZ-GTE front clip. Seeing how jarco wants 5K or so for them, that means you can get them for $2,500. Or less.
Also, sonce you buy/sell alot of engines, can you get a 1GZ-FE?
did you go to shool for advanced whinning ??
No, I live in the real world and tell the truth, and the way things are. If you don't like, stay in canada, ehhh.
if anything they got worse..
How is that?
I have never seen a 5M, that can handle 750 HP!
08-27-03, 05:52 PM
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The first day I drove it, I was a little curious about all the smoke coming out when you let off above 5k...Then I started noticing the oil psi drop...quartS low...and boy, you sure were right about those tires, I had 2 explode within 2 days, wasnt expecting that
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I'll definately keep you updated.
Also we have the motor mounts made, and all the weight is sitting on the car. And when we put the motor down on the motor mounts. The front end only set down about 2 inches or so. And this is on the stock TII suspension. So aparently it didn't f#ck up the weight balance that much at all.
Also, FDrx7, if you want to uy a set of motot/tranny mounts to make the 7MGTE sit down on the stock motor mounts, and make the tranny mounts bolt to the stock T-supra tranny. My brother will make, and sell them to you. Or I think he will, but if anyone wants them, you need to ask now, becase once the engine/tranny are mounted we aren't pulling them back out to make copy's.
Also we have the motor mounts made, and all the weight is sitting on the car. And when we put the motor down on the motor mounts. The front end only set down about 2 inches or so. And this is on the stock TII suspension. So aparently it didn't f#ck up the weight balance that much at all.
Also, FDrx7, if you want to uy a set of motot/tranny mounts to make the 7MGTE sit down on the stock motor mounts, and make the tranny mounts bolt to the stock T-supra tranny. My brother will make, and sell them to you. Or I think he will, but if anyone wants them, you need to ask now, becase once the engine/tranny are mounted we aren't pulling them back out to make copy's.
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http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=136
http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=137
There are pictures of the engine sitting on the custom motor mounts. There kinda hard to see, but they are painted black, and the acctual motor mounts are mazdatrix compitition motor mounts. And now one of the last big things is makeing the tranny mount. Which is gona be kinda hard because the tranny mount ears are to close together. So we are going to put a jack inbetween them, and spread them apart. And then make the mounts for the tranny, which will look like an A. Because the stock supra tranny mount is farther back than the 7's tranny mount.
http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=137
There are pictures of the engine sitting on the custom motor mounts. There kinda hard to see, but they are painted black, and the acctual motor mounts are mazdatrix compitition motor mounts. And now one of the last big things is makeing the tranny mount. Which is gona be kinda hard because the tranny mount ears are to close together. So we are going to put a jack inbetween them, and spread them apart. And then make the mounts for the tranny, which will look like an A. Because the stock supra tranny mount is farther back than the 7's tranny mount.
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http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=138
http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=139
There's picture's of the motor mounts, so you can see them much better.
http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=139
There's picture's of the motor mounts, so you can see them much better.
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"OK, get me a quote for a 2JZ-GTE front clip. Seeing how jarco wants 5K or so for them, that means you can get them for $2,500. Or less."
Considering you took my statment WAY out of context, why don't you try that again.
"Also, sonce you buy/sell alot of engines, can you get a 1GZ-FE? "
Don't know never come across anyone asking for it.
"No, I live in the real world and tell the truth, and the way things are. If you don't like, stay in canada, ehhh.
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Typical little redneck, grow up.
"How is that?
I have never seen a 5M, that can handle 750 HP!"
.. wow.. All the inherent problems with the %m short block were amplified by an order of magnitude when Toyota long blocked the 5M and stroked it.. then turbo charged an engine never desinged to be turbocharged.
You go ahead and put that 7M in, i'm sure the first time you go into a corner at anyspeed and the front end pushes out on you, you'll be happy you did the swap. Good for you.
Considering you took my statment WAY out of context, why don't you try that again.
"Also, sonce you buy/sell alot of engines, can you get a 1GZ-FE? "
Don't know never come across anyone asking for it.
"No, I live in the real world and tell the truth, and the way things are. If you don't like, stay in canada, ehhh.
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Typical little redneck, grow up.
"How is that?
I have never seen a 5M, that can handle 750 HP!"
.. wow.. All the inherent problems with the %m short block were amplified by an order of magnitude when Toyota long blocked the 5M and stroked it.. then turbo charged an engine never desinged to be turbocharged.
You go ahead and put that 7M in, i'm sure the first time you go into a corner at anyspeed and the front end pushes out on you, you'll be happy you did the swap. Good for you.
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.. wow.. All the inherent problems with the %m short block were amplified by an order of magnitude when Toyota long blocked the 5M and stroked it.. then turbo charged an engine never desinged to be turbocharged.
You go ahead and put that 7M in, i'm sure the first time you go into a corner at anyspeed and the front end pushes out on you, you'll be happy you did the swap. Good for you.
You go ahead and put that 7M in, i'm sure the first time you go into a corner at anyspeed and the front end pushes out on you, you'll be happy you did the swap. Good for you.
Siggghhhhh.
So much ignorance to the 7M.
Did you even drive that car before you tore it apart?
Nope.
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yeah ignorance.. becuse i don't have two of my own.. yep, never had a single problem with valve lash or MHG or seals or tranny blowups or alternator over heats or .. gee no the 7M is such a great product of the early 80's
BTW 2jz with turbos tranny and ECU.. $1800 Canadian, anyone wants it contact me.. apparently rednecks don't deal with canada and that's just fine.. as I said , enjoy your 7M..
BTW 2jz with turbos tranny and ECU.. $1800 Canadian, anyone wants it contact me.. apparently rednecks don't deal with canada and that's just fine.. as I said , enjoy your 7M..
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The 7MGTE was not made in the in the early 80's, just to be **** about it. It began production in 87.
And you know all those problems you named are common to pretty much every piston engine. And just out of curiousity, how many miles does you 7MGTE have on it?
And you know all those problems you named are common to pretty much every piston engine. And just out of curiousity, how many miles does you 7MGTE have on it?
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http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=140
http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=141
There are some pictures of the K brace that will be welded in between the frame rails of the car to hold the tranny up.
http://www.msnusers.com/fuelcutswitc...to&PhotoID=141
There are some pictures of the K brace that will be welded in between the frame rails of the car to hold the tranny up.
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all i have to say is that thank god someone tried this before i went ahead and dove in head first this summer. cory, you just saved me tons of money and trouble, thanks for being a guinea pig. btw, that thing should be a monster with about 350 whp. have fun.
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"The 7MGTE was not made in the in the early 80's, just to be **** about it. It began production in 87."
not sure where you've been but it takes a few years before it goes into a vehicle to design and test an engine.. even a truck engine like the 7M.
"And you know all those problems you named are common to pretty much every piston engine. And just out of curiousity, how many miles does you 7MGTE have on it?"
Really? I've got a SBC with 1/2 million Km on it and I've never had ANY of those things go bad.. and it's got a T04B24 on it. Hell I had a duratech SVT engine that used to get dropped at 5500rpm for years and never had a single problem like that.. the 7M is a poor design, with MASSIVE physical problems due to the fact that it was top plated and turbocharged when it was NEVER designed for it. It's a TRUCK engine the 1JZ is the ACTUAL engine for the MK III.
GE has 175K km
GTE has 300K Km..
And as a correction it's a 1JZ with all the trimmings for $1800 Canadian.
using a 7M is like using a KA24 instead of a SR20DET ( becuse you think it's better ??)... it's a truck engine in a small lightweight car. smart like stump..
not sure where you've been but it takes a few years before it goes into a vehicle to design and test an engine.. even a truck engine like the 7M.
"And you know all those problems you named are common to pretty much every piston engine. And just out of curiousity, how many miles does you 7MGTE have on it?"
Really? I've got a SBC with 1/2 million Km on it and I've never had ANY of those things go bad.. and it's got a T04B24 on it. Hell I had a duratech SVT engine that used to get dropped at 5500rpm for years and never had a single problem like that.. the 7M is a poor design, with MASSIVE physical problems due to the fact that it was top plated and turbocharged when it was NEVER designed for it. It's a TRUCK engine the 1JZ is the ACTUAL engine for the MK III.
GE has 175K km
GTE has 300K Km..
And as a correction it's a 1JZ with all the trimmings for $1800 Canadian.
using a 7M is like using a KA24 instead of a SR20DET ( becuse you think it's better ??)... it's a truck engine in a small lightweight car. smart like stump..
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Really? I've got a SBC with 1/2 million Km on it
Awwwhhh, your on the metric system. What is that like 50,000 miles?
I don't know why you keep bad mouthing the 7MGTE, but guess what, I want to hear no more of it. Becuause I've seen 7M's run for 300,000 miles. And my brother's supra has 200,000 on it, and the only thing that has happened, is the starter, and the distributer. So it has never had any problems, that are not covered under regular maintance.
And as for your canadian world domination thing, Canada couldn't dominate France.
all i have to say is that thank god someone tried this before i went ahead and dove in head first this summer. cory, you just saved me tons of money and trouble, thanks for being a guinea pig. btw, that thing should be a monster with about 350 whp. have fun.
I'm confused so you have done this? Or you are planning on doin this?
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i was planning on it. i've changed my mind now. i took measurements and everything and it did look a little large. i don't mind going to a manual rack, and losing some small things, but i refuse to cut into my firewall. i know people that live and breathe 7m's, one has a very fast 7m-powered mkii supra so i was going to work with them on it simply because of convenience. here is a thread i started about a month back:
http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=17223
http://www.teamfc3s.org/forum/showth...threadid=17223
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"Awwwhhh, your on the metric system. What is that like 50,000 miles?...And as for your canadian world domination thing, Canada couldn't dominate France."
Ahy yes , the true sounds of a inbred, insular redneck american hick.. enjoy your truck engine thier Cleatus, hope the other rednecks in the trailer park play nice with it. Oh and you wonder why other countries bomb you?? take a look at yourself billy bob..
Ahy yes , the true sounds of a inbred, insular redneck american hick.. enjoy your truck engine thier Cleatus, hope the other rednecks in the trailer park play nice with it. Oh and you wonder why other countries bomb you?? take a look at yourself billy bob..
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Ahy yes , the true sounds of a inbred, insular redneck american hick.. enjoy your truck engine thier Cleatus, hope the other rednecks in the trailer park play nice with it. Oh and you wonder why other countries bomb you?? take a look at yourself billy bob..
Even though that was an insult it had to be the funniest thing I've read in like the past year.
Also how does any canadian have any sayso in ANY kind of world issue's?
I mean your not even a real country anyways
Also I would guess that the world would hate the most powerful country in the world, you know kind of like social hiararchy.
Well I guess I'll just go get mea bowl of them der grits, and gazy out yonder winder over there, since I's is such a conflabed hill billy, ahuck, well shucks me and my trailer park family's gona go to that there Ryan's down yonder road so I's's gota go.
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