FUZION 7 hits the Dyno (4G64 TT)
09-09-07, 03:24 PM
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FUZION 7 hits the Dyno (4G64 TT)
Drove up in the rain-made it on the Dyno around 3am.
First pull, no changes-20psi (creep to 22 by redline) 450whp/400ft lbs. Full boost by 4.8k
http://www.doitbig.org/coltboostin/p...head%20066.mpg (right click-save as please)
AFR's were a bit lean for me on pump gas 12.2-12.5, so I turned to fuel up. Made 468/413 next pull with 11.2-11.5 AFR's.
Go to 110 leaded "pump" gas, play with restrictors for a few pulls-get it to spike to 30ish psi, and hold just under 30ps to redline (only 7k, since my stock Hyundi head/cams own me)
564whp 490ft lbs trq. With nice and thick 11.0-11.2 AFR's. It was 4am, so we went to stake and shake. I dont see the need in trying to get the tune "perfect" with all the junkyard parts on the car.
Chart
http://www.doitbig.org/coltboostin/p...ckhead/IMG.jpg
*note-boost reference was taken pre-intercooler
Pics
http://www.doitbig.org/coltboostin/p...dynostockhead/
With how responsive the system is, I would have to say the Twin turbo setup works, and I think I will be refining it over winter. Both turbo's still feel mint, and both compressors are 100% perfect, even with well over 1000miles of flogging with my "ghetto" ram air induction.
Cliff notes on set up
4G64 w junkyard Hyundai DOHC head
Stock Rusty Hyundai cams
JMF RWD intake/w Q45
Twin China 50 trims
Mild welded "BoBo" manifold
Single used Tial 38mm
Fidanza Flywheel
ACT 2600/6 puck clutch
JP Fab whatever is laying around intercooler plumbing
"look what I found" DSM 255lhp fuel pump
1600cc injectors
DSM Link
GM MAF-T
China intercooler
2.5x2 to 4inch exhaust (1/2 of which made from Cummins stock exhaust)
Jp Fab Alt relocation
"Peek-a-boo" Ram air induction
Junk *** Cobra wheels with BFG's
I will toss a good head on it over winter, with Cams I already have for the car. I do expect to make anywhere from 100-200more whp more, since I will rev it to 8k, and the power will climb all the way to that point. As long as ti does not run out of turbo, or the lack of good exhaust flow does not choke it up, it seems like it should beat the Colt's 708whp.
The kicker-you can duplicate this fro $4475. Although I did not spend that much, thanks to always scavenging for cheap used parts, and my Grandfathered sponsors JMF and DSmlink, if you have a harbor freight mig welded and a little bit of time, you could have quite the FUZION for less than 5k total investment.
Thanks to Jim at JMF
http://www.jmfabrications.com/
And Tom at DSMlink
http://server.dsmlink.com//
For your amazing products!
More videos/timeslips/40 rolls to come.....
First pull, no changes-20psi (creep to 22 by redline) 450whp/400ft lbs. Full boost by 4.8k
http://www.doitbig.org/coltboostin/p...head%20066.mpg (right click-save as please)
AFR's were a bit lean for me on pump gas 12.2-12.5, so I turned to fuel up. Made 468/413 next pull with 11.2-11.5 AFR's.
Go to 110 leaded "pump" gas, play with restrictors for a few pulls-get it to spike to 30ish psi, and hold just under 30ps to redline (only 7k, since my stock Hyundi head/cams own me)
564whp 490ft lbs trq. With nice and thick 11.0-11.2 AFR's. It was 4am, so we went to stake and shake. I dont see the need in trying to get the tune "perfect" with all the junkyard parts on the car.
Chart
http://www.doitbig.org/coltboostin/p...ckhead/IMG.jpg
*note-boost reference was taken pre-intercooler
Pics
http://www.doitbig.org/coltboostin/p...dynostockhead/
With how responsive the system is, I would have to say the Twin turbo setup works, and I think I will be refining it over winter. Both turbo's still feel mint, and both compressors are 100% perfect, even with well over 1000miles of flogging with my "ghetto" ram air induction.
Cliff notes on set up
4G64 w junkyard Hyundai DOHC head
Stock Rusty Hyundai cams
JMF RWD intake/w Q45
Twin China 50 trims
Mild welded "BoBo" manifold
Single used Tial 38mm
Fidanza Flywheel
ACT 2600/6 puck clutch
JP Fab whatever is laying around intercooler plumbing
"look what I found" DSM 255lhp fuel pump
1600cc injectors
DSM Link
GM MAF-T
China intercooler
2.5x2 to 4inch exhaust (1/2 of which made from Cummins stock exhaust)
Jp Fab Alt relocation
"Peek-a-boo" Ram air induction
Junk *** Cobra wheels with BFG's
I will toss a good head on it over winter, with Cams I already have for the car. I do expect to make anywhere from 100-200more whp more, since I will rev it to 8k, and the power will climb all the way to that point. As long as ti does not run out of turbo, or the lack of good exhaust flow does not choke it up, it seems like it should beat the Colt's 708whp.
The kicker-you can duplicate this fro $4475. Although I did not spend that much, thanks to always scavenging for cheap used parts, and my Grandfathered sponsors JMF and DSmlink, if you have a harbor freight mig welded and a little bit of time, you could have quite the FUZION for less than 5k total investment.
Thanks to Jim at JMF
http://www.jmfabrications.com/
And Tom at DSMlink
http://server.dsmlink.com//
For your amazing products!
More videos/timeslips/40 rolls to come.....
09-09-07, 03:51 PM
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making a silk purse into a sows ear.. thats about the nicest thing I can say about the choice of vehicles to inflict this upon.. however I'm sure one or two DSM owners are looking for a well built engine, perhaps you should change directions, sell the rx7 and get a DSM.
09-09-07, 05:13 PM
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Wait what? Do you have a build thread for this? I need more info on what all you did.
I have been tossing the idea around of putting a random motor swap in my celica.
I have been tossing the idea around of putting a random motor swap in my celica.
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09-09-07, 07:49 PM
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The beautiful thing about collaboration between automakers is the way you can just swap around parts...
I know of the DSM to Mazda conversion through my truck, A B2600...
1987-1988 trucks came with the Mitsu 4G54 engine which shares a bellhousing pattern with the 4G63 as well as several other Mitsu engines... (This is the basis for my diesel engine swap.)
They also use the Mazda Model R transmission, shared with the Turbo II and FD... So there's your source for the bell housing...
Starion/Conquest has the same splines on the Tranny input shaft, so there's a source of clutch parts.
What'd the head come off of? I know Hyundai used Mitsubishi engines, but I don't know in what... And why have I not heard of Hyundai engines crank walking?
I know of the DSM to Mazda conversion through my truck, A B2600...
1987-1988 trucks came with the Mitsu 4G54 engine which shares a bellhousing pattern with the 4G63 as well as several other Mitsu engines... (This is the basis for my diesel engine swap.)
They also use the Mazda Model R transmission, shared with the Turbo II and FD... So there's your source for the bell housing...
Starion/Conquest has the same splines on the Tranny input shaft, so there's a source of clutch parts.
What'd the head come off of? I know Hyundai used Mitsubishi engines, but I don't know in what... And why have I not heard of Hyundai engines crank walking?
09-09-07, 08:06 PM
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I have not heard of 6 Bolt DSM motors crank walking. Matter of fact, of the 8 DSM, or DSM powerewd cars I have owned, 2 of which were over 200k, none of them have crankwalked. One I sold is now at 280k, WITH mods, and has not cranked walk on a 100% stock never rebuilt motor.
Ignorance is bliss it seems.
09-09-07, 09:04 PM
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I don't own any DSM's and the only DSM I have had the experience of working on is my buddy's '95 Talon N/A FWD Auto... Not exactly a high performance machine...
It's just that DSM's are famed for crankwalking just as RX-7's are famed for blowing apex seals every 50K miles... We all know both are untrue.
But, If DSM's have a high reported rate of crank walk and some Mitsubishi engines are used in some Hyundai vehicles, then it would seem to me that there'd be a high crank walk rate in the particular Hyundai products that shared the engine...
NEVER in my post did I say that Mitsubishi engines always crank walk... In fact, never have I ever claimed crank walk on this forum or any other forums I may be on...
NEVER have I expressed any sort of dislike for Mitsubishi products.
I am, in fact aware that it's most commonly claimed on the 7 bolt 4G63 with manual transmissions...
Learn some reading comprehension before calling someone ignorant. I have never experienced crank walk, nor do I know anyone who has. It was a statistical observation, nothing more.
Now, care to fill me in on where the top end came from?
It's just that DSM's are famed for crankwalking just as RX-7's are famed for blowing apex seals every 50K miles... We all know both are untrue.
But, If DSM's have a high reported rate of crank walk and some Mitsubishi engines are used in some Hyundai vehicles, then it would seem to me that there'd be a high crank walk rate in the particular Hyundai products that shared the engine...
NEVER in my post did I say that Mitsubishi engines always crank walk... In fact, never have I ever claimed crank walk on this forum or any other forums I may be on...
NEVER have I expressed any sort of dislike for Mitsubishi products.
I am, in fact aware that it's most commonly claimed on the 7 bolt 4G63 with manual transmissions...
Learn some reading comprehension before calling someone ignorant. I have never experienced crank walk, nor do I know anyone who has. It was a statistical observation, nothing more.
Now, care to fill me in on where the top end came from?
09-09-07, 09:33 PM
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53.6%/46.4% - Crap!
I'm sure you have this on another site that we shall not name, but since I saw it here, great numbers man! 
If my 7 stops breaking 3 things every time I fix one, I'd say we should arrange that local "RX-7" meet you were talking about.
If my 7 stops breaking 3 things every time I fix one, I'd say we should arrange that local "RX-7" meet you were talking about.
09-10-07, 09:29 PM
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53.6%/46.4% - Crap!
I wouldn't argue with him on DSM's, he's pretty knowledgeable haha, not that you aren't, but he's worked with them for awhile.
09-10-07, 09:52 PM
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this is pretty sweet. im researching a 4G63 swap into my SA. i actually had a guy come by my work the other day, advanced auto, and talk about troubles with his mighty max truck. after some looking on the company comp i found out he has the wide block 4G64. he had a spare block i may be picking up off of him for my swap. i wont be shooting for numbers anywhere near yours. a solid 300-350 with the potential for 400+ is all i want. ill be running the 7" rearend with my moser axles. i wont run drag slicks or do any hard launches, not until i want to test the durability of my rearend
so the hyundai head went straight onto the 4G64 block? ive read that sometimes the head or block needs to be modified to accept the 4G63 head. like i said, im in my researching stages, so i have a ways to go before i jump into anything.
so youre staying with the twin turbo set up? for responsiveness? what are your intentions for the car?
so the hyundai head went straight onto the 4G64 block? ive read that sometimes the head or block needs to be modified to accept the 4G63 head. like i said, im in my researching stages, so i have a ways to go before i jump into anything.
so youre staying with the twin turbo set up? for responsiveness? what are your intentions for the car?
09-11-07, 06:50 PM
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Post up some links rather than call someone ignorant.
09-12-07, 12:17 AM
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JP, in all seriousness, learn me brother! How is a 95 n/a talon/eclipse not a DSM?
Is is just that year, let me know!
Btw, congrats. I can't wait to get my project done and line 'em up with ya.
Jackson
Is is just that year, let me know!
Btw, congrats. I can't wait to get my project done and line 'em up with ya.
Jackson
09-20-07, 09:12 AM
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Ok look at all you haters in this thread. This is an amazing build and it ******* rules!
There is no crankwalk. Anyone spouting that **** off knows nothing about the 4G63.
He put a cheap reliable motor in this car and it's making awesome power. I got me an FC sitting around and have owned many DSM's in the pas tand now have an Evo.
I can tell you this I might be giving this porject a go in the summer after I no longer need my FC.
OP:
How did you work the transmission issue? You can PM me.
There is no crankwalk. Anyone spouting that **** off knows nothing about the 4G63.
He put a cheap reliable motor in this car and it's making awesome power. I got me an FC sitting around and have owned many DSM's in the pas tand now have an Evo.
I can tell you this I might be giving this porject a go in the summer after I no longer need my FC.
OP:
How did you work the transmission issue? You can PM me.
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