13B 6-port vs 12A -- which is better to port?
13B 6-port vs 12A -- which is better to port?
hi I've been searching and kinda think I know the answer but I am a self confessed Noob.
I had a 85 GSL-SE that I only ever added headers to and replaced the rear diff when I exploded it. 4.54 rear was ummm great fun.
anyway. I recently bought a 1985 GS with a 12A AND I also have a line on a GSl-SE 1985 that I am making an offer on.
what I want:
a 350-400 HP street car that I take to the track and drag/autoX
Question:
Do I Streetport the 12A because it can be ported larger
or
Streetport the 13B 6-port but I have read the porting is limited due to the extra ports
or
swap in a JDM 13B Cosmo that I can pick up online for about 1500 bones.
I am looking to keep the entire rebuild to around 6500$.
here's my current wishlist after reading here for last week+
moser axles -350$
roll the rear fenders - ?$
Ksport GT Pro Coilover kit - 1300$
Exedy Stage 2 Cerametallic Thick Clutch Kit - 375$
wheels/tires - ~1200$
leaves about 3k for the motor... what would you do? And yes I will keep searching and reading. This is an awesome site.
I had a 85 GSL-SE that I only ever added headers to and replaced the rear diff when I exploded it. 4.54 rear was ummm great fun.
anyway. I recently bought a 1985 GS with a 12A AND I also have a line on a GSl-SE 1985 that I am making an offer on.
what I want:
a 350-400 HP street car that I take to the track and drag/autoX
Question:
Do I Streetport the 12A because it can be ported larger
or
Streetport the 13B 6-port but I have read the porting is limited due to the extra ports
or
swap in a JDM 13B Cosmo that I can pick up online for about 1500 bones.
I am looking to keep the entire rebuild to around 6500$.
here's my current wishlist after reading here for last week+
moser axles -350$
roll the rear fenders - ?$
Ksport GT Pro Coilover kit - 1300$
Exedy Stage 2 Cerametallic Thick Clutch Kit - 375$
wheels/tires - ~1200$
leaves about 3k for the motor... what would you do? And yes I will keep searching and reading. This is an awesome site.
350-400Hp hummm?
Well you are not going to get that type of hp out of a NA with a Streetport, 12A or 13B.
You will need a bigger port job like a bridgeport. Then the 13B 6-port will not work with the BP.
Unless you go with a turbo, the 12A with a streetport and turbo will get you to 400 but you will be pushing it hard.
I would do the 12A if you are going to turbo it.
Well you are not going to get that type of hp out of a NA with a Streetport, 12A or 13B.
You will need a bigger port job like a bridgeport. Then the 13B 6-port will not work with the BP.
Unless you go with a turbo, the 12A with a streetport and turbo will get you to 400 but you will be pushing it hard.
I would do the 12A if you are going to turbo it.
Spend some time reading in the 2nd gen section. A 2nd gen TII engine would be a better choice to start with. If that's not in your budget, use the SE center iron and housings along with the 12A end irons and port from there. I would also suggest using the TII rotating assembly, flywheel/clutch upgrade, tranny, etc. Also check with Re-Speed for the coilovers and save yourself a ton of cash.
You said you have $3K to spend on an engine, yes? That should get you a reasonably well built street ported 13B. No matter what you do to a n/a 13B or 12A, you won't see anywhere close to 350-400HP. 200 is a pretty lofty goal, honestly.
hanks for all the advice. re-speed is where I'll be buying most of my parts. that guy is awesome.
the GSL-SE seems to be falling through. no response from seller in awhile. I'll be yanking the 12A next weekend. I've heard things about a cosmo 13B but have also heard a few horror stories about engines imported from Japan. Can someone point me to a reputable supplier in the 1500-2k range?
thanks again for all the friendly advice.
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you can get 300hp out of a 13b NA and lower to mid 200 with a NA 12A. I will add that this is with a 4 port 13b
Bridgeporting is magic!!!
Bridgeporting is magic!!!
Last edited by Rx7_Nut13B; Feb 21, 2009 at 02:28 PM.
dude, you can probably get a S5 T2 motor faster and for less than an RE. for the money you'd spend acquiring the RE, you could probably get a T2 motor and have some money to put towards getting it built.
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