PFS not tunning anymore?
08-28-07, 01:44 PM
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PFS not tunning anymore?
I just spoke with the receptionist for PFS and she told me that they aren't tunning rx7's anymore that they didn't install the engine in. Has anyone heard of this?
08-28-07, 02:46 PM
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If that's what Kelly told ya - then it's probably correct ;p
Ray was debating on that a while ago I know so maybe he decided to do it.
Kinda makes sense from his perspective, why take the blame if something goes wrong when you have no idea if whoever built / installed the motor did it properly.
Ray was debating on that a while ago I know so maybe he decided to do it.
Kinda makes sense from his perspective, why take the blame if something goes wrong when you have no idea if whoever built / installed the motor did it properly.
08-28-07, 02:49 PM
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If that's what Kelly told ya - then it's probably correct ;p
Ray was debating on that a while ago I know so maybe he decided to do it.
Kinda makes sense from his perspective, why take the blame if something goes wrong when you have no idea if whoever built / installed the motor did it properly.
Ray was debating on that a while ago I know so maybe he decided to do it.
Kinda makes sense from his perspective, why take the blame if something goes wrong when you have no idea if whoever built / installed the motor did it properly.
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08-28-07, 02:55 PM
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I'd heard they were requiring a compression test, which makes sense, and so would a "systems check" fee to establish that things are functioning... if it's only if they built the motor, that would be unfortunate.
However, so mny of these cars are put together poorly, or people don't want to spend the money to do things right before they throw it on the dyno, I'm not surprised.
However, so mny of these cars are put together poorly, or people don't want to spend the money to do things right before they throw it on the dyno, I'm not surprised.
08-28-07, 07:15 PM
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well i dont mind having to pay the extra fee of having it tested to have it tuned.... but im not really trying to tune the car by myself.
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08-29-07, 03:25 PM
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No offense, but it's EXCELLENT news. All too often, ppl are only looking at things from one perspective. Being that I've helped put on a few Steve Kan tuning sessions, I can tell you MANY a time I looked at him and said, "You're going to tune THAT?" And I meant it. MANY a time there are cars that are practically slopped together by self-proclaimed mechanics, with very little know-how and lots of enthusiasm. It's usually a mess, and that's not mentioning that it's often slapped together at the last minute too.
I think it's TOTALLY unfair for the tuners to have to carry ALL the burden for tuning (excuse my french) setups that are total CRAP, and then when it blows, ppl say "Oh so and so blew my motor while tuning." That's directly impacting that tuner's ability to make a living, when he's at no fault of his own! A tuner's rep is EVERYTHING.
Thankfully, after much nagging, I've seen Steve actually turn ppl away, refusing to tune 'em until they had the plethora of issues he's diagnosed on-scene addressed. And I'm STILL pushing him now to require EVERY car that comes to get tuned to have a full performance inspection by a well-known rotary shop, in writing, on company letterhead, PRIOR to being tuned. And even then, there's only so much you can find out - short of spending 5+ hours trying to backtrack someone else's work... and you're still bound to miss stuff... AND that's assuming the engine wasn't home-made and wasn't put together incorrectly either.
Bottom line is, while no one is against saving money, ppl need to understand that professionals make the big $$ not because they can do what you can't; it's because they do what you don't KNOW about, simply because of YEARS of experience of doing the same thing. And it's often the subtle things here and there that you miss in your money-saving quest that can lead to catastrophic failure... Do it once, do it right. You'll thank yourself later
That's my $0.02,
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I think it's TOTALLY unfair for the tuners to have to carry ALL the burden for tuning (excuse my french) setups that are total CRAP, and then when it blows, ppl say "Oh so and so blew my motor while tuning." That's directly impacting that tuner's ability to make a living, when he's at no fault of his own! A tuner's rep is EVERYTHING.
Thankfully, after much nagging, I've seen Steve actually turn ppl away, refusing to tune 'em until they had the plethora of issues he's diagnosed on-scene addressed. And I'm STILL pushing him now to require EVERY car that comes to get tuned to have a full performance inspection by a well-known rotary shop, in writing, on company letterhead, PRIOR to being tuned. And even then, there's only so much you can find out - short of spending 5+ hours trying to backtrack someone else's work... and you're still bound to miss stuff... AND that's assuming the engine wasn't home-made and wasn't put together incorrectly either.
Bottom line is, while no one is against saving money, ppl need to understand that professionals make the big $$ not because they can do what you can't; it's because they do what you don't KNOW about, simply because of YEARS of experience of doing the same thing. And it's often the subtle things here and there that you miss in your money-saving quest that can lead to catastrophic failure... Do it once, do it right. You'll thank yourself later
That's my $0.02,
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08-29-07, 04:18 PM
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Jio, a compression test won't tell you about things that may only come to light when the engine is under stress. Also, it doesn't tell you about other things that could have been done sloppily (boost controller, wastegate, fuel system, etc).
Also, the problem with the waiver is, while it may shield you from any financial responsibility, that person who's motor blew (for sake of example) could and in all probability would still go and tell ppl "Oh yea I was at such and such shop, and they blew my motor on the dyno." IMO, the cost of rebuilding a motor for free for a customer is NOTHING compared to the cost of losing business from MANY individuals due to badmouthing/a tarnished reputation.
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Also, the problem with the waiver is, while it may shield you from any financial responsibility, that person who's motor blew (for sake of example) could and in all probability would still go and tell ppl "Oh yea I was at such and such shop, and they blew my motor on the dyno." IMO, the cost of rebuilding a motor for free for a customer is NOTHING compared to the cost of losing business from MANY individuals due to badmouthing/a tarnished reputation.
~Ramy
08-29-07, 05:22 PM
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Jio, a compression test won't tell you about things that may only come to light when the engine is under stress. Also, it doesn't tell you about other things that could have been done sloppily (boost controller, wastegate, fuel system, etc).
Also, the problem with the waiver is, while it may shield you from any financial responsibility, that person who's motor blew (for sake of example) could and in all probability would still go and tell ppl "Oh yea I was at such and such shop, and they blew my motor on the dyno." IMO, the cost of rebuilding a motor for free for a customer is NOTHING compared to the cost of losing business from MANY individuals due to badmouthing/a tarnished reputation.
~Ramy
Also, the problem with the waiver is, while it may shield you from any financial responsibility, that person who's motor blew (for sake of example) could and in all probability would still go and tell ppl "Oh yea I was at such and such shop, and they blew my motor on the dyno." IMO, the cost of rebuilding a motor for free for a customer is NOTHING compared to the cost of losing business from MANY individuals due to badmouthing/a tarnished reputation.
~Ramy
08-29-07, 11:59 PM
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IMO just taking the whole car to Ray and spending a little more money goes ALONG way. Seriously all the headache of doing it yourself and cutting corners just to save what a few hundred?? *** that just take it to ray and you know your **** is done right
08-30-07, 01:14 AM
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I don't know. I just don't think it is fair to the individuals who KNOW Ray will give them a great tune, and won't bad mouth him because of their stupid mistakes. If I have a strong running car that I want tuned, I want it tuned by the best. I'm really disappointed I didn't make it in before the lock...
08-30-07, 02:34 AM
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I don't know. I just don't think it is fair to the individuals who KNOW Ray will give them a great tune, and won't bad mouth him because of their stupid mistakes. If I have a strong running car that I want tuned, I want it tuned by the best. I'm really disappointed I didn't make it in before the lock...
08-30-07, 06:41 AM
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Dude, I've seen some SHADY ish go down w/ forum members. Ppl who were HARDCORE supporters of (insert your name of choice here), buddy buddy, always referring ppl to 'em, then once something went sour (insert your noun here, be it money, car, tune, blah blah) all of a sudden ALL SORTS of badmouthing came about. I've seen this happen MANY a time. Ppl are very quick to forget the favors upon them in the past, simply based on the short terms problems of today.
Same here!
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Dude, I've seen some SHADY ish go down w/ forum members. Ppl who were HARDCORE supporters of (insert your name of choice here), buddy buddy, always referring ppl to 'em, then once something went sour (insert your noun here, be it money, car, tune, blah blah) all of a sudden ALL SORTS of badmouthing came about. I've seen this happen MANY a time. Ppl are very quick to forget the favors upon them in the past, simply based on the short terms problems of today.
Ray Wilson is like the Babe Ruth of RX-7s. People can talk all the **** they want, he'll still be among the greatest.
08-30-07, 02:14 PM
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I think it is something that the business needs to accept, rather than just shut down...
the talk of a few idiots wouldn't make me change my mind on going there to get it tuned, I've heard MUCH worse from the shops locally.
Ray Wilson is like the Babe Ruth of RX-7s. People can talk all the **** they want, he'll still be among the greatest.
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