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02-20-02, 02:25 AM
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i am looking into getting a m800, anyone use one of these? i know it is better than fcon v pro but how much are these things worth? can't find to many specs about them on motecs website. i know it will run a 3 rotor so i am under the impression it will run a 2 rotor. any inputs would be nice
02-20-02, 03:36 AM
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this one is specifically for 3 rotors in fact it is running a 3 rotor car right now.i am new to this tuning thing so what exactly is split trailing timing? would it make that much of a difference since i am going torun it on my 13 bridge motor? also with my same set up would i actually make more hp sinceit is a better computer just by going to motec?
02-20-02, 01:47 PM
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isnt that where you have your trailing plugs fire after leading, i think its only useful for real big HP. Which you're probly looking at.
I know a lot of standalones can only pull off just doing the 3 rotors w/ both plugs firing at once, and thats with additional spark management.
I might be wrong though. My brain doesn't hold too much info
I know a lot of standalones can only pull off just doing the 3 rotors w/ both plugs firing at once, and thats with additional spark management.
I might be wrong though. My brain doesn't hold too much info
02-20-02, 07:38 PM
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have you checked www.motec.com.au ??
price for m800 is about AUD$3800, sensors and harness are not included.
price for m800 is about AUD$3800, sensors and harness are not included.
02-20-02, 07:40 PM
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well it will be coming of a 3rotor motor and be put on mine i can't pass up the price, was hoping that someone running htis sytem already would have some info
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02-23-02, 02:00 PM
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Motec, great stuffs... especially when you can play with the anti-lag. But is quite hard to be installed into a Fd. You have to do all the wiring all over-again. Is tough job!!
02-26-02, 02:41 PM
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How would wiring a Motec M800 be any worse than wiring a Haltech E6K, or even take it as far as wiring an alarm with power door locks/windows and turbo timer. The later is more difficut than the Haltech I know for a fact. M800 cannot be much worse. E6K offers antilag and works great.
Talking with some people and helping others with there setup I find that split trailing is less important in higher HP setups. It is more important for throttle response and possibly (I saw possibly because I am not 100% positive) low RPM driving.
M800 is nice from what I have heard. I do like the software better than what the E6K has. Is it worth the money? E10 is coming out in the summer if you must have split trailing.
Talking with some people and helping others with there setup I find that split trailing is less important in higher HP setups. It is more important for throttle response and possibly (I saw possibly because I am not 100% positive) low RPM driving.
M800 is nice from what I have heard. I do like the software better than what the E6K has. Is it worth the money? E10 is coming out in the summer if you must have split trailing.
03-05-02, 12:08 PM
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The only advice I can give is to contact Mr. Kevin "ASP" Wyum....He is the man with the answers.From what I've seen there isn't anything those MoTec's can't do!
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I will definately envy you if you do get the MoTec engine management. I was recently at a vehicle dynamics seminar that was given by Claude Rouelle who has been a very sucessful racecar engineer over the past 20 years. His seminars are sponsored by MoTec so he was showing us all about them and about the data acquisition features of the MoTec computers. They are truely amazing!!!!!!
Here is info about the seminar. If any of you ever have the chance to go I would not pass it up. The amount of knowledge that Claude shares is incredible.
http://www.motec.com/semnars/claude_seminars.htm
Here is info about the seminar. If any of you ever have the chance to go I would not pass it up. The amount of knowledge that Claude shares is incredible.
http://www.motec.com/semnars/claude_seminars.htm
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When I looked at systems for my 3 rotor, Motec was happy to provide a system for me which amounted to using two systems to handle the split timing. I am using a link engine mgmt system which does handle split timing. I love it.
03-13-02, 02:49 AM
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bet you love its 6 load points per RPM range too.
Link systems are laughable, they are really common in NZ, cause every tom dick and harry can tune them, and they dont take much time to tune because of how un precise they are.
they leave a lot up to the imagination. example:
you have 25psi boost reading coming from the 3 BAR MAP sensor. you are in no mans land.
the link has 6 mapped points between 1 BAR of vaccuum and 2 BAR +ve pressure, so basically you have one point at 14.5 vaccum, one at 5.8psi vaccuum, one at 2.9psi +ve pressure, another at 11.6psi the next at 20.3psi and the last at 29psi
yes it has interpolation so do all current ECU's but 8.7psi between mapable points leave ALOT to be desired.
Link systems are laughable, they are really common in NZ, cause every tom dick and harry can tune them, and they dont take much time to tune because of how un precise they are.
they leave a lot up to the imagination. example:
you have 25psi boost reading coming from the 3 BAR MAP sensor. you are in no mans land.
the link has 6 mapped points between 1 BAR of vaccuum and 2 BAR +ve pressure, so basically you have one point at 14.5 vaccum, one at 5.8psi vaccuum, one at 2.9psi +ve pressure, another at 11.6psi the next at 20.3psi and the last at 29psi
yes it has interpolation so do all current ECU's but 8.7psi between mapable points leave ALOT to be desired.
03-14-02, 03:32 AM
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Haltech E6K. i looked very seriously at both the LINK and Haltech ranges before buying. a link system would have been approx $1000NZ less than my E6K cost me but i believe the $1000 extra i spent was money well worth it. i know of a guy currently having huge issues with a 13BT running a LINK. it was all fine and dandy until he put a S4/t04 hyrbid turbo on and now it's pinging like crazy, he ended up blowing his motor a couple of weeks back on the dyno. the guy tuning his car has very little experience with rotary turbo's aswell which doesn't help the matter.
Do you have to comform to emissions rules/regs?
Do you have to comform to emissions rules/regs?
03-14-02, 12:20 PM
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When I looked at the Haltech I was told by Haltech USA that you need two brain boxes to use the split timing. I don't know if it is something special to the 3 rotors or not but I could justify spending motec dollars on a haltech system. We will be running two T78's in the fall and may upgrade to Motec at that point but at this point the links system is fine.
The car is insured in Bermuda and there are NO emissions to worry about!!!!!
The car is insured in Bermuda and there are NO emissions to worry about!!!!!
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why on earth do you need split trailing timing then if you dont need to pass emissions?
this has been discussed before and the facts have been shown that firing both plugs at the same time yeilds more HP.
Even the motec systems cant do split trailing timing. Hitman has been running his custom 3 rotor with a Haltech for a number of years, originally using a Haltech E6S then going to a E6K. there are numerous examples of guys running 20b's and custom 3 rotor's with haltechs and any other ecu with no split trailing timing
this has been discussed before and the facts have been shown that firing both plugs at the same time yeilds more HP.
Even the motec systems cant do split trailing timing. Hitman has been running his custom 3 rotor with a Haltech for a number of years, originally using a Haltech E6S then going to a E6K. there are numerous examples of guys running 20b's and custom 3 rotor's with haltechs and any other ecu with no split trailing timing