madaz07

why do so many people bag microtech ecu's i havent had problem with my one i know the MTs arent as tunable for street driving as ya would like but ive been hearing the LT series is verry good now and a lot more tunable but people still bag them and say there only good for rotors??

SaabGuy

Only good for rotors?

Hey thats fine with me!

No7Yet

Fact is, a lot of people simply don't know much about the Microtech line of EMSes. There's a lot of misinformation floating around, people get features confused between models, etc.

I'm also going to stick my neck out and say that I think the established Haltech tuners are threatened by it. Before the Microtech, the Haltech was the low-end EMS; but for a lot of people, the Haltech is too expensive, hard/expensive to tune, or was simply overkill. The Microtech, I think, will be the best choice for the weekend N/A warrior who wants to ditch his AFM, or the guy putting a 13BT into an RX-3 - it's simple, it's fast, and it's easy. I'll also say that I think the overlap between the two market segments is minimal, but the various established Haltech tuners feel that people are going to gravitate toward "cheap", which isn't the case when $3,000 motors are on the line. I think that the Haltech tuners, by "bagging" the Microtech, are simply acting in their interests and trying to protect their market. Yay capitalism!

So to answer your question, madaz07, it's a little bit ignorance, and it's a little bit conspiracy.

Brandon
BR7 Racing

madaz07

yeah thats what im starting to think they dont know much about it so they say its crap, its they same old thing with rotary engines people that dont even have the faintest idea how they work etc say there **** and unreliable. so far my car has been more reliable than my friends turbo piston cars

bl|nk

The guy that was tuning my car said he liked haltech's so much he threw it across the street

He was very impressed with how the microtech with no map changes was controlling my Rx-7

Evil Aviator

1) The Microtech EMS resolution is a generation behind the newest Haltech and Wolf products.
2) The older Microtech products were not made very well, and you can't expect this reputation to change until the public gets more exposure to the newer, higher quality products.
3) Ignorant people blame blown engines, tuning problems, and installation problems on the EMS.

Hehehe, the main problem is that the Haltech Jihad doesn't accept the fact that their products are low-end. I would hardly call the E6K overkill for anything but a chainsaw, and I thought its software was terrible. Now that Haltech copied the Wolf software I think tuning will be easier.

turbotuner

The microtech is used to tune Abel Ibarra's car and many other of the worlds fastest rotaries. The Haltech is universal and the microtech is designed especially for rotaries. It is only a lack of knowledge about the microtech that turns people away from it.

madaz07

its used on the fastest Jose Torres from siguel racing and its also tuned by an auzzie

kabooski

You meant siguel
cause Abel runs a Motec

Scalliwag

There is a Microtech distributor/tuner about 20 minutes from me, Sam Ramadan. He has me sold on them for a lot of reasons including the fact that he will help me get it going.
Here was a breakdown of the pricing that made me happy as well. This was an email he sent:
hi mike , how are you, hope everybody is doing fine,
here is some numbers on the microtech you asked me about.
MT/LT8 OR MTX/LTX8 $750
MT/LT12 OR MTX/LTX12 $950
LT12 FUEL ONLY IS $750
HANDSET 4 LINE SCREEN $150
LAPTOP SOFTWARE $100 WITH SOFTWARE KEY
EXTRA HARNESS $150
LT12 TAKES UP TO 4 LOW RESISTANCE INJECTORS PER BANK X 6 BANKS AVAILABLE LT12 TAKES UP TO 2 HIGH RESISTANCE INJECTOR /BANK X 6 BANKS INJECTORS CAN BE STAGED ANYWAY YOU LIKE. I HAVE BEEN USING THIS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE PAST 5 YEARS WITH GREAT
SUCCSESS , I HAVE TUNED MY FIRST GEN TO GET 370 RWHP @ 8 PSI WITH THE SAME
SYSTEM,AND IT HAS MORE POTENTIAL.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU
SAM RAMADAN

wira4

FYI, Haltech 's software is based on their own patented bar graph which was created more than 10 years ago. The window 3D version seems to be universal among all aftermarket ecus. The Microtech LT series I believe is here to compete with the E6K.

Evil Aviator

Wolf has had 3D Windows software since version 3.0 was introduced several years ago. Haltech has been DOS-based until a few months ago when the E11 hit the market. The fact is that Haltech is one of the last major EMS manufacturers to offer Windows software to the public.

IMO the Microtech LT series would mostly compare with the older Wolf3D V3. They have similar resolution, software, and hand controller. I don't see much comparison with the DOS-based Haltech E6K that has no provision for a hand controller, although I agree that they are in the same class. Depending on user preference, the Microtech LT could have better features than the previously-mentioned EMS products, and at 2/3 the price, I don't really see much competition.