So whats the deal with the newer STI's? Do their top end suck?

 
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 02:14 PM
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So whats the deal with the newer STI's? Do their top end suck?

Last night I got to play with a modded STi. Was not really a kill because the guy would not line up.


Edit: It was not the newest one it was the 2003 - 2005 model.


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Dude passes me on the freeway and his car looked nice so I speed up to check it out. He punches it as I'm approaching. I pursue just for fun. I let off and so does he and at that moment he lets off a big flame. Obviously modded cool.

I try to line up with him and he punches it before I get the chance to line up even with him. So I WOT From 80 MPH and over take him with ease. As I'm passing him I can easily read the STi badge on his rear end. I shut down at 120 ish after I got about a 1-2 cars lenghts on him and it looked like the gap would have kept increasing.

I don't get it? This cars are supposed to have 300 Flywheel HP from the factory. This guy was modded so I'd figure he would do much better against me. Maybe their top end is not that good. Anyone know for sure?

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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 03:29 PM
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AWD has poor top-end by nature.

I pulled 2 bus lengths on an '03 Modded STi putting about 320 to wheels.
Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:09 PM
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Old Mar 20, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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those cars are pretty heavy and don't have the greatest top end. They're not geared for "highway" runs. It's a rally car for crying out loud! Catch a nicely moded one though, and it WILL give you a run for your money.
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 03:09 AM
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Yeah their gearing is to give them better response through cornering
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 03:15 AM
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damn i was always afraid to race wrx cause i always thought they would tare me up on the interstate but i guess i was wrong
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 12:15 PM
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They have close gear ratios i assume and they are 6spd so to get from 60-120, he must be shifting like 3 times between those. And isnt their top speed like 135 from factory?

Not to mention thats the downside to all wheel drive. I thought with this great technology these cars have, they would have fixed something like that already. I guess they have but not for a cheap price lol.
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 12:29 PM
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top speed is definatly not 135, ive rode in my friends 05' sti he had it up to about 150 (according to the speed-o).

And ive raced him from 70mph. Im by no means fast (yet) but, his rear bumper was at my front bumper by 100mph. I also made the mistake of starting in 4th gear also
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 05:37 PM
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yeah... and I guess they are not the most aerodynamic cars out there either
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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My father and I have been to 155 in his STi, and it was dead solid. However, I know that a even slightly modded FD would probably pull harder at those speeds. These cars are all about the 0-60 and power of the corners.

My dad's car only has a down pipe and an AccessPORT. He's never brought it to the drag strip, but this guy we talked to a few weeks back with an AccessPORT (same tune as my dad's) and a full exhaust ran 12.7.
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Wompa164
AWD has poor top-end by nature.

I pulled 2 bus lengths on an '03 Modded STi putting about 320 to wheels.
On another note, AWD is superior at putting power down to the ground.
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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On another note, AWD is superior at putting power down to the ground.
with massive power loss and lesser lifetime as you get higher in the hp range.
Old Mar 21, 2006 | 09:11 PM
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Yep, the STi's gearing sucks for top-speed. A friend's 1993 Mercedes 500E out runned an STi from a 80mph roll. He kept pulling past 130 and hit 155 and left them in the dust, and that was going up hill.
Old Mar 22, 2006 | 11:45 AM
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Know one STi owner, he admitted his car is for kill if race on highway. The gearing is so short, he must shift every 2-3 sec when going full throttle.
Old Mar 25, 2006 | 03:22 AM
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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in a 1/4 race they hit 5th gear. My friend has just simple bolt ons and he hits 5th in a race.
Old Apr 5, 2006 | 11:03 PM
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I did a highway pull with an STI in my "slow" RX8. We stayed dead even until I let off at 120. To be honest I expected him to spank me pretty bad, but I walked away satisfied.
Old Apr 5, 2006 | 11:58 PM
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I always thought that STI's were fairly quick low 13 second cars, but AWD can be deceitful on the 1/4 track. If you take an Evo or STI from a roll and have better power/weight then you should win. What makes them quick is what happens off the line. STI's are only putting about 240-250hp down to the wheels, and they weigh 3300lbs so they're not exactly supercars from a roll.
Old Apr 6, 2006 | 03:23 AM
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if he was spitting flame, he was obviously running wayyy rich ... maybe you hit him on a bad tune day
Old Apr 7, 2006 | 08:13 PM
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just because he was shooting flames out the rear doesnt mean it had any power mods...i put a turboxs RFL bov on my sti and didnt put any shims to seat the spring and it was causing it to dump raw fuel into the exhaust, and lets just say robin williams wouldnt want to stand behind my car
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 21K95RX7
just because he was shooting flames out the rear doesnt mean it had any power mods...i put a turboxs RFL bov on my sti and didnt put any shims to seat the spring and it was causing it to dump raw fuel into the exhaust, and lets just say robin williams wouldnt want to stand behind my car
wow. i cant bvelieve this guy and what hes saying....


look, imprezas havbe a boost cut on the stock ecu that is a hard cut at 120 psi. other than going stand alone or replrogramming the stock ecu a na rx7 can take wrx past 120. now on the other hand, me and my brothers wrx is making around 400 whp and we are runing stand alone with what seems to be a close match to a gt35r turbo ( pe 1818 turbo ) lets just say, if you mod these things right, it can be a killer car.
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SirCygnus
wow. i cant bvelieve this guy and what hes saying....


look, imprezas havbe a boost cut on the stock ecu that is a hard cut at 120 psi. other than going stand alone or replrogramming the stock ecu a na rx7 can take wrx past 120. now on the other hand, me and my brothers wrx is making around 400 whp and we are runing stand alone with what seems to be a close match to a gt35r turbo ( pe 1818 turbo ) lets just say, if you mod these things right, it can be a killer car.
what are you saying? the sti cuts fuel at 17 psi. are you saying that you doubt me? if so go and buy that piece of **** bov put it on a stock wrx or sti run it without any shims and you will be dropping flames out the tail pipe. also, that bov causes compression stall in 5th gear. once that happens you have to take the spring out and stretch it out again.
Old Apr 8, 2006 | 02:15 AM
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anytime you run a 100% vent to atmosphere bov you will get some flames, and if your catless like i ran for a little while, it will be more prevalant

oh and if you dont "believe what this guy i saying" here is a wrx forum that explains why 100% vta bov's cause a rich condition during decel

http://www.wrxforum.com/cgi-bin/ulti...c;f=3;t=005714

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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 10:12 PM
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Also be careful, there are a few wingless and scoopless STi's around, some of them pushing 600 hp at the wheels. Also, just FYI, a few are running FD granmissions from the bell housing back, meaning, they're RWD.

If you think it's top end sucks, you should see one launch.

Mitsubishi has Subaru on gearboxes, though. An Evo with the active front and rear diffs can actually be 1 wheel drive though long hard turns. :p

STi vs FD on a highway would be akin to an FD racing an STi offroad, one is totally out of it's element in each race. :p Hell, on most logging roads, my NA legacy could put an FD out of comission.
Old Apr 10, 2006 | 10:22 PM
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Actually, the USDM Evos don't get the AYC so there's no 1 wheeled action for us.

On the bright side, we get our Evos much cheaper than other countries.



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