I'm turning 19 at end of this month

I don't planning on thuggin this one out. I'm sure you've realized that this debate is almost pointless as I've admitted that the RX-7 is in fact classified as a sports car.

So is the Honda CRX (must be the 2 seats)

But I am a huge fan of all RX-7s. It just angers me when people stereotype. I'll check back tomorrow as I'm too tired for this **** anymore.

 

ya I just read your profile. 1988.

The debate turned into us criticizing each other instead of the 3rd topic discussed in this thread.

Who said because of the seating it classifies a car to be a "sports car".

It's not about stereotyping. It is about what deserves respect and what doesn't. Plain and simple. A car on the level of a civic with bolt on's trying to compare itself to a FD. It isn't just the car's you have to look at. It is the attitude the owner's have along with it. The majority of those types of owners do not give respect where respect is needed. They think their lower level car is superior to the FD in every way. Or at least that is what their attitude reflects when maybe in their heads they talk crap because they are jealous that they do not own one and they are not "superior" in that aspect.

Not going personal or angry. But what I am still wondering is. You list in your profile your car isn't a rx-7, you say you are a fan...why are you a member of the rx7club. It says at the top as the title, "RX-7 Owners Club"......"owners". Their is a feature on forums, you login as a guest. Again, not trying to go personal but it just really angers me when someone does that and says stuff when they shouldn't be apart of it. Even when they haven't owned a rx-7. I have owned 2 cars previously. And yes, one wasn't a sports car (240sx) so it was on level with a civic.

 

My friend owns a 2+2 coupe with rwd and 260 hp from a turbo charged engine. It handles at least as well as my STI type R. Is that a sports car?

 

what car is it?

 

It's one of the smaller japanese companies. Their name is Toyo Kogyo, they may export to your country but im not sure what they call their brand over there. Im just wanting to know, based on those specs, is it a sports car? It was made in 2000.

Edit: Im not sure how to describe the car... And I havent got pictures. So all I can give is specs as I haven't seen it yet. My friend says it's a sports car but im not sure LOL. I've heard they handle really well, up there with a 7.

 

I thought Toyo Kogyo turned into Mazda many years ago.

 

Kill this post already, High school kids racing on the street..... Thats what is gay. They have neither the driving experience or the reflexes to properly or safely do these things. Take it to the track. I don't want my family members getting killed by some igit. And the orginal poster has spent this whole thread talking about how cocky this civic owner is, to me it seems like he is the cocky one. And that video sucked.

 

cpubug; look at that map that i posted, highway 686 is the only place i race. it is an empty long nicely paved road that people only travel on during the day. I don't race on the streets where I could kill other people.

Then again you don't know me so you shouldn't say weather "I" have the experience or skills. You are right about the experience, I haven't been on the road that long. But you should understand that I have been driving way before I was 16. I am not stupid. If I was one of these type of people who do not consider innocent drivers that you call stupid. Then I would have joined the g35 and gt mustang I saw racing on the freeway, literally in and out of traffic at about 120mph instead of cussing at them from behind my steering wheel with a date in my passenger seat.

Have you read the entire thread? You only think I am the cocky one because I am the one speaking from the story. I'm sure I am not the cocky one if I just do my own thing, while some guy with a non sports car civic talks crap about me and my "sports" car. That is what this thread is about.

 

DMoney -

I registered with this forum 2 years ago. I frequented the forums as a guest before that. I registered because I was looking to get an RX-7 of my own. I didn't find anything in my price range or in my area so I bought an Integra. I'm a big fan of rotaries and RX-7s in particular but it doesn't make sense for me right now. I'll pick up a rotary project when I have the funds. In the mean while I'm learning everything I can from this forum.

 

So your telling me when you race on the road there is no other traffic? BS......

I don't have to know you, you sound just like me when I was in High School, and just like every other kid that has a fast car, I am not slamming you for being young, just for putting others at risk. That's why I was right about your experience, because I was the same way. I've been driving since I was tall enough to reach the pedals, I have been around muscle cars and race tracks before that, I have had a racing go-cart since I was 6 or 7, I thought I could drive very well also. But there is no substitution for real road driving and years of experience as far as reflexes go and knowing how to handle a situation if one arises. That is all I am saying.


Sounds to me like you should drive like you have a date in the car more often. Listen man, driving fast is a blast, racing is like a drug, But we all have a responsibility, and I am not trying to be the voice of reason, or to lecture anyone, it's just getting out of hand.

I think it has been proven again and again, the civic doesn't have to be classified as a sports car to be fast. My Nissan Pickup truck is fast, but it's not a sports car. Anyway, just be careful, and like most of the guys have said, unless he is boosting or spraying he's not worth your gas.

 

Just reading up on what I've missed the last week or so on here. I hope people weren't seeing me attacking civics per-say. More just making sure some understand what class of car they still are.

Carry on.

 

cpubug

Yes, I am saying that their is no other traffic on the road. It is not BS.

I'm not saying that I am more experienced or a better driver that is older. But if I could pick whether to ride with me, or ride with another person that is in High School, I would pick me.

I'm sure I am like you when you were young. I'm sure everyone was like that. I've heard it alot. But think back when you were my age. How many speeding tickets did you get by the time you were 18? Any number larger than 0? Because I haven't gotten a single one. I hope that prooves that I'm not putting others in danger. Oh ya, I don't even drive with a radar detector. If I get a speeding ticket, the keys get yanked for about a year. I think that's enough incentive for me not to drive like a dumbass teenager.

Ya I know racing is like a drug. That is why I never do. For example, the those that tell me to go look for something better to race than a civic. That is just the thing, I don't go looking to race anyone so it is stupid for the people on here to say, go find a faster car to race. I would, if it was some place safer than a public highway. Someplace out of the way that is not traveled on, like the highway I describe to you that I sometimes race on. If not then sure I would gladly accept you calling me unsafe. If you should call anyone unsafe and immature, call the other people who you see on the video's that race on heavy traffic highways. ****, I've seen a video of Steve Kan racing some guy on a road with cars around and no one says **** to him. But when it is guy in high school that takes all the hazards into consideration you call him unsafe. I just can't stand for that. That is why I am a lil upset.

Oh ya, I agree, a car can be fast and still not be a sports car. Thats just like saying a minivan can have a crazy motor and smoke some cars, but it is still a minivan.

 

It's happened. I'm sure everyone has seen the vid of the Dodge minivan spanking the Camaro, haha.

 

Haha, people, a minivan and a civic are 2 very different cars.

They would be the same if a minivan had: a helical limited slip differential, a stripped out interior void of luxuries & creature comforts, 4 wheel double wishbone independent suspension, close ratio gearbox, w/ a high revving engine that outputs 106.25 hp per liter on older models even. Last time I checked, SA/FB's displace about 100hp per liter & FC's get around 107hp per liter using naturally aspirated motors for obvious reasons in comparison. Base models didn't even come with a limited slip differential, and used drum brakes in the rear.

A civic is no Rx-7, but it's auto r&d has become just as if not more comprehensive than one.

 

I think I finally figured your position out.

All we need to do, is put a civic motor(any civic motor) into a Dodge Minivan, then find a way to put some civic suspension in there(any civic suspension), adapt the axles and the helical limited slip, totally strip the van for what it's worth, and then BAM. It's a sports car to RX7henry. Rock on dude!!!

 

If you say so!

 

Renault Espace F1 800 hp soccer mom toting MR Minivan. From the factory! But still not a sports car.

At the Paris Autoshow in 1994, Matra and Renault Sport presented the Espace-F1 to the public. This car is a one-off showstopper, to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of the Espace (and of Renault in Formula-1).
It is powered by a central rear-mounted RS4 Grand Prix engine, and it is also equipped with F1 rear suspension, a breahtaking carbon body and a 6-speed gearbox.
It accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in 2.896 seconds, - and from 0 to 200 km/h in 6.3 seconds - it brakes equally spectacularly, slowing from 300 km/h to 70 km/h in just 80 metres. Top speed: well over 300 km/h.
According to a Matra-Transport engineer, it goes from 0km/h to 270km/h and back to 0km/h in less than 600 meters !

If only it were a production car.....

 

well guys, I'm not going to race any more on my stock turbo's. They are leaking pretty bad and I need the car for a few special occasions. I've ordered another shortblock for me to rebuild and I'm doing it up with a single. No need to race this dude when I have a single. Major waste of gas

 

^Which single are you going to run? I'm still kinda on the fence if I wanna go single or stay twin.

 

I'm stuck between the HKS T04E, Garrett T04S, and Garrett GT35R

Well I went non-seq. Once I got the car. I thought it was great. Not as many problems, got great boost, no transition. But wouldn't get full boost till very late. When you think about it, a single turbo can get it faster than a non-seq setup and on top of that put out alot more power without risking blowing the turbos at 15psi like the twins.

I'm wanting something that can put out 400hp. Boost doesn't need to go anywhere above 20psi. Wanting least amount of lag. Full boost at 3500-4000rpm would be perfect. If I can find a T04S kit I'm going to go with it. But if not, there are alot of GT35R kits out there that I can go with.

 

here is an update on this dipshit guy. I am rebuilding an engine to put in my car and going single turbo. I tell the guy about it and he immediately gets defensive like "why not stay twin?" "why waste gas" all that **** to make me feel like it is a bad idea to whoop more **** out of his car. But ok thats the build up.

Today after school I was walking by him and I asked him nicely if "He wanted to come help me tear down the motor I just got in" and he says "I don't work on pieces of ****". I think my blood pressure rose....alot! Like wtf!!!! Ok here is his backstory that makes him look like a dumbass. He owns a shitty civic first off. Second, he does all the work on his car himself and considers himself a great mechanic but every time he does the work himself he ***** his engine up. He just got done doing alot of the internal work, took it out for a spin and fucked up the head or some **** like that. Before this time he fucked up his tranny. He even did work on his little brother's car and fucked his car up. So who's car is the piece of ****? The one that doesn't have any money and that isn't working on a new motor while their original one is still in their car and in working order (mine) or a civic that has no working engine in it and no progress of putting or working on something new for it? Cmon now.

When he said this to me I immediately thought about reporting back here to prove how much of a dipshit he really is. I think he is just angry/jealous that I am actually building my stuff up in my car and building a dream and he is still stuck with a POS car that will not ever be able to beat me.

 

who cares, laugh it off. He mods a civic, that alone shows his lack of common sense.

 

race him for 100$ at a track, loser pays the others admission as well.


that way you get a little peice of paper that shows him numerically how much of a dumbfuck he is, AND you get 100$

 

see this is what i hate.. there are alot of civic owners out there that give a bad name to others. down here in swfl i know quite a few owners down here, theres about 3-4 300hp civics one 450hp, and a 500hp one. they are nasty *** cars. i've watched countless supercharged ws6's and vettes get dominated by them. theres no such thing as a pointless car to mod, people can make even geo metros fast. sure honda civic's may not be the best platform for extremely fast cars, but i've seen a lot of good autocrossing cars come from, you cant really bash a certain make of a car just because of some of the arrogance some drivers carry with them. i understand a lot of civic drivers are in fact morons and extremely confident their cars are sick. in fact i had a stock prelude tell me he ran 10's in the 1/4 oh and his father worked at ferrari apperantly and he had ferrari parts in the engine.

i'm bored another rant i guess. i understand most frustration some of you get by these drivers, but you can never slander a car because of the kind of people that drive it. that kind of close-minded.

 

I didn't need that ***'s help anyways. I tore down my motor in about 2 hours. I can't wait to get my engine done and smoke the **** out of him