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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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AP1S2000 vs '87 TII

My mods are:
1987 TurboII
RB downpipe, restrictive midpipe (2.25") elminating both cats and stock catback.
LARGE fmic. Pulled back radiator for short piping (we're talking like 5 feet MAX)
Megasquirt,
S5 jdm motor (??? miles)
stock s5 turbo
turbo-xs mbc
gsl se secondary injectors.
solid motor mounts. solid diff mounts front and back.(noisy bitch)
FD light rims with stock size crappy all season tires.
The rest is suspension
RB Springs
Bilstein Struts/shocks at all 4 corners.
awr rear camber links
tein upper pillow ball mounts/camber plates
Energy suspension bushings (best mod you can do to stock suspension!!!)
RB toe elim bushings
Aluminum N/A hood
Oh and i have full interior, including about 25 lbs of tools and a spare tire mounted on a TII rim ^_^

So my friends and I went to a place out of town to gokart for the day. We were 4 people. On the way back my friend with his s2k with a single hks ti catback exhaust were messing around on the highway. He had another guy in the car and i had a passenger. Overall weight was on my side however.
Basically I had my boost turned all the way down on my turboxs mbc which is 6psi pretty consistently with my set-up.

So we hit it from about 75mph roll, he downshifted from 6th to 4th, I went from 5th to 4th, not on the top of the rev range, just about 4k. We stayed even for roughly a second, then I started to pull out ahead. I could hear his engine roaring over mine as my car isn't that loud at all. Because it was around 10p.m. there was almost no traffic to be seen and it was a weekday. Basically from that roll we went up to 140 and slowed down. I had about 3 cars on him. We cruised for a little bit further and hit a stoplight on the way down the highway a bit. Again nobody for miles. From a dead dig, I had him by about 2 cars to 80ish.
All in all, I felt a lot better about my car. I had been driving around in my car on 10psi and its a monster(for what it is). 6psi just didn't feel that torqy at all.
I was surprised also because people usually say that a lightly modded fc won't take an s2k. I know this guy and he can drive also, so thats not an excuse. I think that the ability to tune the motor has really woke it up. Also the fact that I am lower than stock boost by about 2psi since its a s5 motor.

Enjoy, sorry if it was hard to read/understand.

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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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nice kill, ap1's aren't that fast, a mildly modded turbo 2 should take them with no problems.
Old Mar 17, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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2004 HONDA S2000
Engine
Type: Inline four, aluminum block and head
Valvetrain: DOHC, four valves per cylinder
Displacement: 2157cc
Bore x Stroke: 87.0 x 90.7 mm
Compression Ratio: 11.1:1
Claimed Crank Hp: 240 hp @ 7800 rpm
Claimed Crank Torque: 161 lb-ft @ 6500 rpm
Measured Wheel Hp: 210 hp @ 8000 rpm
Measured Wheel Torque: 146 lb-ft @ 6400 rpm
Redline: 8000 rpm
Drivetrain
Layout: Longitudinal, front-engine, rear-wheel drive
Transmission
Gear Ratios
1: 01:01.2
2: 02:03.1
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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 11:35 PM
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this was a 2000, but yeah, they don't really have much torque for the size of the car.
Old Mar 28, 2007 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dpf22
this was a 2000, but yeah, they don't really have much torque for the size of the car.
there's a honda for ya...
Old Apr 1, 2007 | 04:33 PM
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nicely done!
Old Apr 7, 2007 | 01:09 AM
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they have no torque at bottom end for nothing..but still a nice car though IMO...
Old Oct 22, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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seriously does honda cars doesn't have torque, they are good cars? PM back
Old Oct 23, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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honestly, they are good cars though. It does take a bit of driving the **** out of to get a decent lap time at an autox though. (first hand experience) They are fun to drive, just not that fast in a straight line. Well built chassis, not unlike the rx8. Needs more power, but otherwise a well built vehicle.

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Old Oct 23, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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I wouldn't use autoxing as a way to compare cars because of all the other factors that come into play but thats just me. Turbo IIs aren't that fast in a straight line out of the box either, S2Ks can go 13s bone stock with the right driver. Beating one in a drag race with a boosted car thats much lighter isn't saying much. Good kill reguardless, way to represent.
Old Oct 26, 2007 | 12:27 AM
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Haha, you must not know how much these cars weigh then. And yes, autox is a very good way to tell the cars apart considering they were both meant to be handling trackable cars.
The ap1 will weigh about 100# less than a TII stock for stock. The ap1 CANNOT make a 13 second pass stock... Neither can a TII.
The ap1 is a stiffer chassis. I don't use the straight line to compare cars. Turns are much more dynamic.
My car is far from stock, but at the same time has very little going towards power upgrades.(fmic+ems) I was running 6psi which is lower than the stock series5 stock boost peak.
The AP1/AP2 are at the same level as the SE3P (rx8) Fun to drive, but not fast in a straight line. Damn good chassis though. Light with a solid suspension design.

The prior post shows that you know little about the afformentioned vehicles. Do a little research and stop bench racing.

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Originally Posted by dpf22
Haha, you must not know how much these cars weigh then. And yes, autox is a very good way to tell the cars apart considering they were both meant to be handling trackable cars.
The ap1 will weigh about 100# less than a TII stock for stock. The ap1 CANNOT make a 13 second pass stock... Neither can a TII.
The ap1 is a stiffer chassis. I don't use the straight line to compare cars. Turns are much more dynamic.
My car is far from stock, but at the same time has very little going towards power upgrades.(fmic+ems) I was running 6psi which is lower than the stock series5 stock boost peak.
The AP1/AP2 are at the same level as the SE3P (rx8) Fun to drive, but not fast in a straight line. Damn good chassis though. Light with a solid suspension design.

The prior post shows that you know little about the afformentioned vehicles. Do a little research and stop bench racing.

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True, but how many autox's do you see where the cars are being pushed 100%? If you've seen enough then I'll let you be the judge, I know the last autox I went to I ran the same time as 2 near stock S2000s that were there. Unless you have equal pro drivers on a road course (not autox) I wouldn't use it as a way to judge just the cars themselves, of course thats just my opinion. As far as I know S4 TIIs are 2800lbs which is the same as an S2K, but being that its hard to find specifications a car so old I could be wrong. Road & Track tested the S2000 and ran a 14.1@100mph, I was going with what I've heard from S2000 owners but I could be wrong there too, if .2 seconds really makes that big of a difference. The point is its a low displacement engine thats naturally aspirated vs. a boosted RX7. It sounded like you were downtalking the S2000 because you beat one in a drag race...which isn't saying much considering your basic mods and the fact that your car is boosted.

I drive an NA RX7 with the bluebook dumped into the suspension/wheels/tires, you don't have to tell me how important turns are I agree about the RX8 comments, the cars have enough acceleration to make sure of their stiff suspension and chassis and thats all that matters to some people.
Old Oct 29, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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True enough. But it does count in this situation since I actually have autox-ed this particular one for my friend to teach him how to push it harder.
Wasn't actually trying to talk down on them. I actually like them. Fact of the matter was, with my boost all the way down I didn't think I would beat him. And just so you know, he has an intake and exhaust. So its not stock either (nothing earth shattering either)
Old Nov 8, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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S2k's are garbage, good kill man, i can't wait to beat a cocky S2k owner and see the look on his face.
Old Nov 8, 2007 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KhanArtisT
I wouldn't use autoxing as a way to compare cars because of all the other factors that come into play but thats just me. Turbo IIs aren't that fast in a straight line out of the box either, S2Ks can go 13s bone stock with the right driver. Beating one in a drag race with a boosted car thats much lighter isn't saying much. Good kill reguardless, way to represent.
Thats much lighter? FC Turbo 2 is lighter then a S2000? Thats pants on head retarded statement of the day.

1987 Rx7 Turbo 2 weight: 2850lbs
2000 S2000 (AP1) weight: 2809lbs
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S2k are fast??


Waste of gas.
Old Dec 23, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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I own both an FD and an S2K and I will tell you that in my opinion aside from the power the two cars are very similar to me in the way they feel. Just like people take sevens for granted I wouldn't take an S2K for granted not having power. There are plenty of 340hp-500hp S2Ks out there that would give our FD or FCs a run for their money.

I'm a seven fanatic but I must give Honda their due with this car. The only thing I wish they did was put the Mazda rev limiter buzzer on this thing. It comes up on redline so quickly in the early gears you don't realize it until your bouncing off the rev limter (freaked me out)
 
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