Haltech Quick Tune Fix for E8 Users!!
11-18-08, 11:03 PM
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Quick Tune Fix for E8 Users!!
An update for those who would like to use the E8/E11v2 Quicktune feature.
First solution - If you are lucky enough to have a later model E8 (with the new logo sticker) The spare a/d 1 is actually on the board! Its already set up in the software. This means you simply need to wire the 0-5v signal from the Wideband controller to Spare A/d1 (Pin 8).
Quicktune will then work.
Alternativly
The reason why quicktune will not work AND Racepak Dash displays will not display AFR is because Spare a/d1 is set to "Wideband" in the default base map. To turn this off in your map you will need to:
Save your map
Go Offline
Load your saved map (offline)
Go to Options > Analogue input functions
* When the software asks if the ECU is an E8 or E11v2 SELECT E11v2 *
Change Analogue input 1 from "Wideband o2 Input" to "None"
Select "Wideband o2 input" for the analogue input you have the wideband wired to
SAVE the map.
Go online
Load the map into your ecu.
Quicktune will now work!
I know many people have been looking forward to this. Could people here please let me know how you go with using the feature as discussed above.
Attached is a fixed default map for E8 without Analogue input1 enabled.
This info can also be found in the Haltech Official Forum here
First solution - If you are lucky enough to have a later model E8 (with the new logo sticker) The spare a/d 1 is actually on the board! Its already set up in the software. This means you simply need to wire the 0-5v signal from the Wideband controller to Spare A/d1 (Pin 8).
Quicktune will then work.
Alternativly
The reason why quicktune will not work AND Racepak Dash displays will not display AFR is because Spare a/d1 is set to "Wideband" in the default base map. To turn this off in your map you will need to:
Save your map
Go Offline
Load your saved map (offline)
Go to Options > Analogue input functions
* When the software asks if the ECU is an E8 or E11v2 SELECT E11v2 *
Change Analogue input 1 from "Wideband o2 Input" to "None"
Select "Wideband o2 input" for the analogue input you have the wideband wired to
SAVE the map.
Go online
Load the map into your ecu.
Quicktune will now work!
I know many people have been looking forward to this. Could people here please let me know how you go with using the feature as discussed above.
Attached is a fixed default map for E8 without Analogue input1 enabled.
This info can also be found in the Haltech Official Forum here
Last edited by Claudio RX-7; 11-18-08 at 11:09 PM.
11-19-08, 11:11 AM
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Wait, so even though its not in the configuration options page for analog inputs, its there?
Any chance you have a pic that shows the logo's or perhaps another possible way to tell?
Do older E8's not have the input, or do they don't have a wire on that pin?
Any chance you have a pic that shows the logo's or perhaps another possible way to tell?
Do older E8's not have the input, or do they don't have a wire on that pin?
11-22-08, 10:36 AM
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On the E8 there is not a pin out (wire) for Spare A/D 1. Spare A/D 1 is not in the software when you go online with your ECU. As the ECU ships Spare A/D 1, in a sense, does not exist. The problem is that the software defaults to look at Spare A/D 1 for wideband input for closed loop operation and quicktune. So even if you wire your wideband into Spare A/D 2 and setup Spare A/D 2 correctly in the software closed loop and quicktune will not work.
Claudio described the work arounds in the first post. The pin is physically on the board and can be used by moving pins around or adding another pin in the connector or, the easier option, is a simple software change. If you add the pin to the connector it will give you a total of 4 A/D inputs over the 3 you currently have so there is an advantage there. If you don't need the extra channels or are in a hurry the software change only take a couple minutes.
Once you've complete one of those changes then closed loop and quicktune will work. If you are not interested in using quicktune or closed loop then you don't have to bother with any of this. If all you're interested in is monitoring and datalogging the wideband then you don't need to do anything. Simply connect the wideband to another input and you're on your way.
This only applies to the E8.
Claudio described the work arounds in the first post. The pin is physically on the board and can be used by moving pins around or adding another pin in the connector or, the easier option, is a simple software change. If you add the pin to the connector it will give you a total of 4 A/D inputs over the 3 you currently have so there is an advantage there. If you don't need the extra channels or are in a hurry the software change only take a couple minutes.
Once you've complete one of those changes then closed loop and quicktune will work. If you are not interested in using quicktune or closed loop then you don't have to bother with any of this. If all you're interested in is monitoring and datalogging the wideband then you don't need to do anything. Simply connect the wideband to another input and you're on your way.
This only applies to the E8.
11-22-08, 01:42 PM
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But what if you wire the wide band to AD1.... will the user be able to see it, will the E8 record AD1 to the logs OR will it only apply to the quick tune feature? If it only applies to the quick tune feature, in essence, you still only have three inputs AD2,3 and 4.
11-22-08, 02:29 PM
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If you set it up on A/D 1 you can do anything with it as long as you follow the step above to add the output for A/D 1. If you set it up on any of the other A/D inputs you can do anything you want with it as long as you follow the instructions for the software fix.
11-23-08, 04:11 PM
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This on the 26 pin connector. Why not keep the narrowband on pin 12 and run a new wire to pin 13 wideband.
So to confirm the a/d1 is on pin 13. Once connect to pin13 there is no other adjusments to be made.
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11-23-08, 05:27 PM
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Can quicktune function off the default 02 sensor input?
In the older firmware versions a WB could be connected to this input and closed loop 02 would work from it.
In the older firmware versions a WB could be connected to this input and closed loop 02 would work from it.
11-24-08, 08:11 AM
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Why does claudio say pin 8 and your using pin 13. (12 to 13 is just moving your narrow band input 12 to the supposed a/d input 1 pin 13?
This on the 26 pin connector. Why not keep the narrowband on pin 12 and run a new wire to pin 13 wideband.
So to confirm the a/d1 is on pin 13. Once connect to pin13 there is no other adjusments to be made.
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This on the 26 pin connector. Why not keep the narrowband on pin 12 and run a new wire to pin 13 wideband.
So to confirm the a/d1 is on pin 13. Once connect to pin13 there is no other adjusments to be made.
Ian
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Assuming your replying to me, the ability (or inability) to use the default O2 input for quicktune with a WB on an E8 is not the reason for the fix. Also the other AD inputs do work (for quicktune).
If the O2 sensor input works for quicktune on an E11 (I'm not saying it does) than it should on an E8 also. A WB is supported off the dedicated O2 sensor input the setup can be seen on the fuel setup page under closed loop O2 setup "wideband O2 sensor on O2 sensor input", in older versions of the firmware it did work for closed loop, I see no good reason that it shouldn't also work for quicktune, and free up yet another AD.
My E8 has worked with quicktune since upgrading to the latest firmware, for an unk reason my map already had AD1 set to none and not enabled, I think when I rebuilt it offline after having issues with the last beta, I must have selected E11 when I clicked on AD inputs.
When people where saying quicktune didn't work on an E8 I thought what they meant was that it didn't work well.
If the O2 sensor input works for quicktune on an E11 (I'm not saying it does) than it should on an E8 also. A WB is supported off the dedicated O2 sensor input the setup can be seen on the fuel setup page under closed loop O2 setup "wideband O2 sensor on O2 sensor input", in older versions of the firmware it did work for closed loop, I see no good reason that it shouldn't also work for quicktune, and free up yet another AD.
My E8 has worked with quicktune since upgrading to the latest firmware, for an unk reason my map already had AD1 set to none and not enabled, I think when I rebuilt it offline after having issues with the last beta, I must have selected E11 when I clicked on AD inputs.
When people where saying quicktune didn't work on an E8 I thought what they meant was that it didn't work well.
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11-24-08, 06:13 PM
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Actually it is the reason for the fix. I am one of the few that brought this to Haltech's attention. I have additional sensors on all of my AD inputs. So I need to be able to use the WB on the o2 sensor input and get stuck not being able use closed loop or quicktune. Not to mention you have to convert any logs into a usable format even though it does display correctly in the gauge page. Yes there is even a call out for using the WB on the O2 sensor but it does not work. Again hence the reason for this fix.....
11-24-08, 08:01 PM
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I'm not going to argue semantics with you, all I know are the ends not the means.
Have you tried using the WB on the O2 sensor input since for autotune or closed loop since doing the fix?
Have you tried using the WB on the O2 sensor input since for autotune or closed loop since doing the fix?
Actually it is the reason for the fix. I am one of the few that brought this to Haltech's attention. I have additional sensors on all of my AD inputs. So I need to be able to use the WB on the o2 sensor input and get stuck not being able use closed loop or quicktune. Not to mention you have to convert any logs into a usable format even though it does display correctly in the gauge page. Yes there is even a call out for using the WB on the O2 sensor but it does not work. Again hence the reason for this fix.....
11-25-08, 05:10 AM
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Yes I have already tried it which originally brought the issue up. The O2 sensor is a separate channel, than the AD-1 I'm using now. The fix does not allow you to use the O2 sensor input with a wideband it allows you to use a separate AD-1 channel that was not there before. That why you swap pins. Its not really an issue for those that don't use all the AD inputs, they would just use one of their unused AD inputs and the 2nd fix. But the first fix allows you to use AD-1 if you swap the pins, which gives you again the extra input for those that have used the others. AD-1 on E8 does not exist before the first fix.... Are you using the 1.89 software??
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