I just got my new E6X, which I am going to install on a 13B rotary engine, the question here is that I dont know how to wire the cables for the breakless poit distribuitor and the two MSD 6A that I have. Could someone please let me know or send me a diagram of how to wire the cables. Will I need an igniter? Could I use the MSD 6A with the haltech computer?
The engine is peripheral.

thanks for the help

 

What kinda car are you putting this in?

"Breakerless points ignition"?&nbsp Is that some kind of fancy distributor or the stock ignition trigger system?



-Ted

 

I am using the engine for racing and it is on a starlet ( if that helps), I am not sure about the year of engine but, maybe you remember that some rotary engines had at one time a distributor with a rotor and no breaker and condenser. well that is what I have.

 

Also known as magnetic distributor

 

the E6X or K can run both ignition and fuel. there is no reason to use a distrubutor of any kind. you will need to give the ECU some type of crank angle signal(stock 13B CAS is the easiest). all this info including the wiring diagram is in the manual. I and others have also posted this info more than a dozen times. please do a search before posting questions.

 

I have an extra 13B Crank Angle Sensor for sale if you are interested. $25 shipped to your door. PM me if you want it.

 

Did not answer the question, everything you said I know, but what about magnenic distributor, the engine I am using is an early 13b and in order to put a cas I have to change the front cover which I do not have, What I am getting from your answer is that e6x is not capable of working with distributor magnetic pick up with rotor , only CAS.

By the way I have seached the forum for this topic and nobody has posted anything about magnetic distributor.
maybe you did not read my post correctly! MAGNETIC DISTRIBUTOR! NO CAS, NO IGNITER, NO 3ER GENERATION OR 2ND GENERATION.

On which page of the manual tells you how to wire the ignition plug to a rotary engine? maybe I have a different manual?

 

Eh guys, he's running a Toyota motor.

I stopped replying since I don't have an answer for the poster - I thought this was supposed to be an RX-7 forum?

-Ted

 

it is not a toyota engine, IT IS A 13B PERIPHERICAL ROTARY ENGINE, FOR GODS, SAKE. If it was a toyota I would not be posting on this forum. But the engine is installed in a toyota starlet for drag racing.

 

I assume Bruno is talking about the electronic ignition distributors that came on RX7s in the early 80s. The first year it came in the RX7, the igniters were located with the coils. The years after that a pair of igniters sat on the distributor. You can run rotary distributor mode with the E6X. Wire IGNOUT directly to the Leading MSD6A and IGN2 to the Trailing MSD6A. You should email Haltech to get the best wiring instructions for this distributor. One thing I do know is you will have to disable the timing advance mechanism in the distributor. You do not want the trigger to change timing since the haltech will now control the timing. Here is a photo of one. It is missing the leading igniter.

 

You should not need to change the front cover. The CAS should drop right in. But to go direct fire you will need an extra coil and an extra MSD unit plus the CAS.

 

As moespeed said, you can use an FC CAS, which drops right in.&nbsp You're limited to the rotary set-ups which is DISTRIBUTOR or DIRECT FIRE.&nbsp DISTRIBUTOR requires you to use the FC trailing coil pack which has a switching system or equivalent.&nbsp DIRECT FIRE uses 3 discrete ignition channels firing (both) leadings, front trailing, and rear trailing.&nbsp I'd bet you'd use DIRECT FIRE.


-Ted

 

if your question is can the old distributor feed the ECU the crank angle signal, the answer is no. you need to use some type of device to give the ECU a crank angle signal. second gen CAS is the easiest to find and install. remove distributor and install CAS. follow the directions on the Hitman's and others websites and you are done. more complicated route is to build yourself a chopper wheel(aluminum wheel mounted to the e-shaft with four or more magnets) and an S1/S2 sensor mount. this is more difficult but provides the ECU with a nice clean signal. this information is in the manual. there are not specific sections showing you in detail every possible application, but the info is there. the igniter signal could be used to fire a traditional distributor, but the ECU will still need the crank angle to fire the injectors.

 

Why not? Has anyone double checked with Haltech support. support@haltech.com
One thing I love about Haltech E6K better yet the E6X is the ability for it to read many kinds of triggers. Bruno should be able to use a distributor if he wants. I have not tried to do this so I could not tell him what wires to connect or what modifications he may have to make to the distributor as far as comming up with a correct crank angle setting and correct rotor phasing. If he plans to use the distributor, he does not need a home input as the distributer will take care of which spark plug fires when. All he would need is a trigger input which he could get from this distributor.

 

Sorry to but heads with you Ted, but here is something to note. The E6a and the IG5 both are able to do Rotary mode with distributor but don't have the ability to do swithing and can't fire a FC trailing pack. This makes me think that Haltech had these units running on a distributor cars originally.

 

At the moment I have a e6k on a 3er gen and pumping 22psi of boost without a problem haltech is the way to go, also I have a Land Cruiser with a f9. and finally I wanted to change my weber 58 mm for a haltech inyection on my peripherical engine.

The reason for this is because last time I was at the dragstrip and tunning my NOS my weber got stucked with the microshitch in the on position and when I changed into 3er gear and engaged the clutch my rpms when all the way to the rev limiter. It only took about a couples of seconds to blow the engine.
Thinking back about haltech I remembered that my e6k could manage my NOS with the TPS, not so for the F10.
So I decide to buy the new e6X because f10 could not take care of NOS.

I run with my distributor centrifugal advance lock and I leaft it at 10 degrees, I am running about 180 HP of NOS. I really do not need to map my ignition because I only use the engine for dragracing. So my idea was to use e6X for fuel inyection only and control my NOS and aux. rpm limit. So I only need my distributor to send a signal to the ecu to control inyectors and msd for boosting the spark, the rotor in the distributor will be inchange distributing the spark for each plug. ( Is it possibe) if yes I wanted to know how to wire the four cables that are coming out of the distributor to haltech and from altech to msd 6al. Is that to much to ask?

The reason I said that I needed to change the front cover of the engine was because I remember from my 3er gen. that the magnets are attached to it. I already knew that I could use the cas on my front cover as it is. Well that is if I am going to use the 93 cas and magnets direct fire sistem. but I know that I could use a 2nd gen TII distributor that does not have rotor in it. the 6 port engine has rotor in the distributor.

Well does anybody think that is posible to make work the e6x only for fuel inyecton and use the distributor only as signal to fire the inyectors and msds??


Thanks again for the input and time taken for answer.

 

I haven't touched either of those systems in YEARS!


-Ted

 

To control Fuel injectors and NOS solenoids, you can leave your ignition system the way it is wired and connect the Trigger input wire of the E6X to the tack output terminal of your leading MSD6A. Just make sure your input setting on the Haltech is Hall Effect.

This should work.....