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Old 02-14-08, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by enzo250
It's not the number of firing events that cause a problem.
Besides rotary firing events are no different then piston engines!

The problem would be if he tried to use the same MSD box for a leading and trailing event. The MSD needs at least 60 degrees before it can fire again.

Since he's using one box for the leading coils and the other for the trailing he will have no issues..


Is it really necessary to run the amp on the trailing plugs? How much difference would it really make? I'm going to be running a NA 20b set-up and see no reason to add the extra amp for the trailing.
Old 02-19-08, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by crispeed
I'm liking the M&W stuff more and more.

Are using their standard duty or the race version??
Old 02-19-08, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig
Cris, do you have any experience with the Mercury coils that Lance and Brian on EFI101 talk about all the time? Seems like a long duration inductive spark would be of benefit to the rotary if it's strong enough to not get quenched. Are you using the M&W CDI or inductive setup?
I worked with an FD and an Autronic 500R with a set of mercury coils, they sure did provide a big load of spark, but we couldnt get results from that car cause the dyno tuning session just got scraped due to problems with a cracked manifold, and other troubles. But there sure was A LOT of spark.
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Originally Posted by 13B-RX3
Are using their standard duty or the race version??
Just the "PLUS" version, NOT the "HO".
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We're having a serious problem; the MSD DIS-4 built-in revlimiter is kicking in at about 50% of what it should be. For example, set it at 9,900 and it comes in around ~5000rpm. We're using direct fire from the E11v2.

I'm guessing this is something specific to the rotary that it doesnt like. Does anyone have any experience/suggestions
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Try the msd at it's highest setting 10,000, IIRC when you try and shut the limiter off it goes to it's default lowest level of 6250. I had a similar problem and this is what MSD told me. Oh and make sure the rev limiter on the haltech is not set, i have done that too .

13B-RX3,

You will need to have the waste spark mode set to "ON". From your description having all other switches "OFF" you have set the max limit to 6250 RPM. On switch 3 flip switches 5-8 to "ON", this will set the max limit to 10,000 RPM. If the coil charge time is adjustable you want it set to 2-2.5 milli seconds constant charge.

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I just talked to Dre at MSD about this week before last. Even though you are using a direct fire setup you are firing the coil every 360* just a like a piston engine would in a wastespark setup. So you need to setup the DIS-4 in wastespark mode. When in direct fire mode on a rotary application the DIS-4 is thinking you are spinning twice the revs you really are and thus you get a rev limiter at half of what it's supposed to be. Set dial #1 at 1 and you should be good to go.
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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig
I just talked to Dre at MSD about this week before last. Even though you are using a direct fire setup you are firing the coil every 360* just a like a piston engine would in a wastespark setup. So you need to setup the DIS-4 in wastespark mode. When in direct fire mode on a rotary application the DIS-4 is thinking you are spinning twice the revs you really are and thus you get a rev limiter at half of what it's supposed to be. Set dial #1 at 1 and you should be good to go.
Thanks guys, I wish I had read this about 5 hours ago as it would have saved me alot of pain on the dyno! I figured it out (well, didn't really figure it out but randomly set it due to having tried every single other thing) but lots of time wasted. Thanks for the reassurance that I'm not going to melt my coils though
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