FD vs Lambo
04-15-12, 04:48 PM
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agreed
what you pay for with cars like that, is the fact that they do make 500+hp, but they do it in full street trim, and they they are put together by hand, and with exotic materials
which basically means they never actually work
most of my customers are based in the exotic markets, and it is a well known fact that lambos, ferraris, maseratis, etc.. are in the repair shop more than their in the owners garage
to get an FD to beat any of those in stock form doesnt really take too much...properly invest between $5-$7k and you'll beat them on drag strip and on the track
i can tell you that my car before i started my build would pull 2 car lengths on Gallardos all day
the best part is seeing their reaction when our little $15k rice rockets made in Hiroshima make their $200k Italian "super cars" look like they're parked on the highway loll
what you pay for with cars like that, is the fact that they do make 500+hp, but they do it in full street trim, and they they are put together by hand, and with exotic materials
which basically means they never actually work
most of my customers are based in the exotic markets, and it is a well known fact that lambos, ferraris, maseratis, etc.. are in the repair shop more than their in the owners garage
to get an FD to beat any of those in stock form doesnt really take too much...properly invest between $5-$7k and you'll beat them on drag strip and on the track
i can tell you that my car before i started my build would pull 2 car lengths on Gallardos all day
the best part is seeing their reaction when our little $15k rice rockets made in Hiroshima make their $200k Italian "super cars" look like they're parked on the highway loll
04-15-12, 06:01 PM
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Basically you need about 450-500rwhp to run down a gallardo from a dig and keep your ground til whenever you shut down.
Which gallardo? There's many models.
all of them are over 500 and weigh about 3300lbs but since most owners opt for the paddle shifters, you need to be a great driver to get one off the line.
The fastest one is the lp560-4 which runs 11.2 stock. You can look up the specs on the model you want to run.
Rich kids from Florida and Texas have their gallardos twin turbo'ed. Easily exceeding 1100awhp.
Absolutely no joke.
If you're talking about reliability, that's just a longer stretch of how owners treat those cars, and how owners treat our cars.
Those cars are much more sophisticated. Much less idiot proof. Engines have extreme tight clearances. The average Joe will inevitably send the car to the garage from the misuse.
There are also many of the ugr gallardos being daily driven with no problems.
Which gallardo? There's many models.
all of them are over 500 and weigh about 3300lbs but since most owners opt for the paddle shifters, you need to be a great driver to get one off the line.
The fastest one is the lp560-4 which runs 11.2 stock. You can look up the specs on the model you want to run.
Rich kids from Florida and Texas have their gallardos twin turbo'ed. Easily exceeding 1100awhp.
Absolutely no joke.
If you're talking about reliability, that's just a longer stretch of how owners treat those cars, and how owners treat our cars.
Those cars are much more sophisticated. Much less idiot proof. Engines have extreme tight clearances. The average Joe will inevitably send the car to the garage from the misuse.
There are also many of the ugr gallardos being daily driven with no problems.
04-15-12, 07:16 PM
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agreed
what you pay for with cars like that, is the fact that they do make 500+hp, but they do it in full street trim, and they they are put together by hand, and with exotic materials
which basically means they never actually work
most of my customers are based in the exotic markets, and it is a well known fact that lambos, ferraris, maseratis, etc.. are in the repair shop more than their in the owners garage
to get an FD to beat any of those in stock form doesnt really take too much...properly invest between $5-$7k and you'll beat them on drag strip and on the track
i can tell you that my car before i started my build would pull 2 car lengths on Gallardos all day
the best part is seeing their reaction when our little $15k rice rockets made in Hiroshima make their $200k Italian "super cars" look like they're parked on the highway loll
what you pay for with cars like that, is the fact that they do make 500+hp, but they do it in full street trim, and they they are put together by hand, and with exotic materials
which basically means they never actually work
most of my customers are based in the exotic markets, and it is a well known fact that lambos, ferraris, maseratis, etc.. are in the repair shop more than their in the owners garage
to get an FD to beat any of those in stock form doesnt really take too much...properly invest between $5-$7k and you'll beat them on drag strip and on the track
i can tell you that my car before i started my build would pull 2 car lengths on Gallardos all day
the best part is seeing their reaction when our little $15k rice rockets made in Hiroshima make their $200k Italian "super cars" look like they're parked on the highway loll
04-15-12, 07:49 PM
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not to be a buzz kill but this is all good until you go up against those gallardo's from underground racing making 1500whp. They are making a trap speed at the texas mile above 250mph. I truly have to question what it would take to get our cars to do that and still have a car that can be driven to and from the event with full interior. of course if we had the same budget those guy have it might be a bit more conceivable.
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If money is no object, there's no way a 13b engine can match a V12 lambo. The platform your starting with is just on a different level.
If the lambo is stock, sure you can catch one and it's not that hard. But modded lambo vs modded FD, no contest.
If the lambo is stock, sure you can catch one and it's not that hard. But modded lambo vs modded FD, no contest.
04-15-12, 11:56 PM
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the problem is that the lambo is AWD and able to put the power to the ground. the lambo has superior aerodynamics for a higher top speed. while I think the fd has a lower coefficent of drag. The lambo has spent more time in wind tunnel testing not to mention 15-20 years newer technology. It does have some drag in the form of downforce. To my knowledge no fd has gone over 230mph in any given distance while they have taken the lambos to 250+ in a standing mile with full interior and all the ammenitites from the factory. I suppose with the right money it may be possible but even with a turbocharged 4 rotor peripheral ported motor, paddle shift trans that can handle the rpm's and power you still have to get traction and not go air born. It only seems like it could be equalled with a full blown race car fd. However it would be great if it could be done in a streetable car.
04-16-12, 01:06 AM
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AWD is NOT a benifit in a race... How many F1 cars are AWD? How many Leman cars are AWD?
4 rotors? Didn't a 4 rotor machine blow the doors off all the cars back in 91?
Correct me if I'm wrong on my assumtions!
If the sky is the limit for BOTH cars the rotor will win as long as fuel millage is not a factor. Power to weight is almost unparralled. (save maybe two stroke or turbine machines)
EDIT: hehe Took a look back at the OP... 10seconds... But the point remains the same; drag cars are RWD. half the transaxles half the transmission.
4 rotors? Didn't a 4 rotor machine blow the doors off all the cars back in 91?
Correct me if I'm wrong on my assumtions!
If the sky is the limit for BOTH cars the rotor will win as long as fuel millage is not a factor. Power to weight is almost unparralled. (save maybe two stroke or turbine machines)
EDIT: hehe Took a look back at the OP... 10seconds... But the point remains the same; drag cars are RWD. half the transaxles half the transmission.
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04-16-12, 01:45 AM
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I will be happy to correct you. If you plan on making 1500whp, AWD is an advantage. it is litterally twice the contact patch. ex- if you run 280mm wide tires and you are using a 2wd car you have 560mm off contact if you run the same tires on all corners and its AWD you now have 1120mm of contact. to get the same in a rear whell drive car you will need two 560mm wide tires (dragster slicks) and it would have to be tubbed. They get the same amount of contact surface in factory trim . In response to your question about formula 1. Formula 1 cars will not make the speeds the twin turbo gallardos are making either. The lack of power in f1 cars in comparrison to a 1500whp gallardo also helps with traction. Not to mention preheated slcks that are chenged thorughout an event and of course the aerodynamic engineering that goes into an F1 car probably has similar amounts of product development time as most air superiority fighters. Yes while the 4 rotor 787b won the 24 hours of lemans in 1991. Technology has changed a bit in the last 21 years would you say? I love that car and the motor but, I question how well It could do today in comparison to todays technology. also turbo prop engines really don't make much power for their weight and really their fuel economy is appauling. The fact that they dont like large fluctuation in rpms means that they wont work well for anything other than stop and wide open throttle. hence why they are used for aircraft. The concept cars that were made in the past never worked well and often had such high egt's they had issues with the exhaust igniting parts of the car and debris in the road. two stroke motors are light but I doubt you will be finding them out of any vehicle that is able to make those numbers that weighs in as light as current autmotive engines. I love the rotaries I won't give up on trying to make mine everything it can be. but we do have to look at facts guys. Either we start making considerably more power than we are, find a way to get more traction, use some extreme engineering to lighten and bring the aerodynamics up to the cut with current day super cars or just learn that there is a reason why they are called "super cars". They cost the reason that they do for more than exclusivity. these cars have a better platform from the factory. which is understandable considering they are about 15+ years newer and cost more than 8 times the price of our cars when they rolled off the assembly line new in 1992. on the other hand though if you consider the price diffference. A new gallardo is around 250k out the door and around another 110k to get it to the 1500whp range. with 360k in an fd im pretty sure we could match it though.
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a stock 7 can take a lambo easy cuz the lambo just gonna set itself on fire
https://www.google.com/search?q=lambo+fire
https://www.google.com/search?q=lambo+fire
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I will be happy to correct you. If you plan on making 1500whp, AWD is an advantage. it is litterally twice the contact patch. ex- if you run 280mm wide tires and you are using a 2wd car you have 560mm off contact if you run the same tires on all corners and its AWD you now have 1120mm of contact. to get the same in a rear whell drive car you will need two 560mm wide tires (dragster slicks) and it would have to be tubbed. They get the same amount of contact surface in factory trim . In response to your question about formula 1. Formula 1 cars will not make the speeds the twin turbo gallardos are making either. The lack of power in f1 cars in comparrison to a 1500whp gallardo also helps with traction. Not to mention preheated slcks that are chenged thorughout an event and of course the aerodynamic engineering that goes into an F1 car probably has similar amounts of product development time as most air superiority fighters. Yes while the 4 rotor 787b won the 24 hours of lemans in 1991. Technology has changed a bit in the last 21 years would you say? I love that car and the motor but, I question how well It could do today in comparison to todays technology. also turbo prop engines really don't make much power for their weight and really their fuel economy is appauling. The fact that they dont like large fluctuation in rpms means that they wont work well for anything other than stop and wide open throttle. hence why they are used for aircraft. The concept cars that were made in the past never worked well and often had such high egt's they had issues with the exhaust igniting parts of the car and debris in the road. two stroke motors are light but I doubt you will be finding them out of any vehicle that is able to make those numbers that weighs in as light as current autmotive engines. I love the rotaries I won't give up on trying to make mine everything it can be. but we do have to look at facts guys. Either we start making considerably more power than we are, find a way to get more traction, use some extreme engineering to lighten and bring the aerodynamics up to the cut with current day super cars or just learn that there is a reason why they are called "super cars". They cost the reason that they do for more than exclusivity. these cars have a better platform from the factory. which is understandable considering they are about 15+ years newer and cost more than 8 times the price of our cars when they rolled off the assembly line new in 1992. on the other hand though if you consider the price diffference. A new gallardo is around 250k out the door and around another 110k to get it to the 1500whp range. with 360k in an fd im pretty sure we could match it though.
04-16-12, 12:41 PM
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Lol @ the replies here.
Sorry a 4 rotor swap isn't cheap first of all.
And to get to the power levels of a twin Turbo gallardo you need to Turbo that as well.
Which will end up costing much more. I would estimate upwards of 100k with all supporting mods, suspension brakes etc. And including the price of the car.
Then you still have to battle longevity, reliability, and MPG.
Then you have to battle traction and aerodynamics.
Remember the racing beat fd? That flipped @ 215mph?
A stock gallardo can do 200mph without breaking a sweat.
With more Aero parts more power and its awd, it will blow virtually any fd away.
Facts are facts.
Sorry a 4 rotor swap isn't cheap first of all.
And to get to the power levels of a twin Turbo gallardo you need to Turbo that as well.
Which will end up costing much more. I would estimate upwards of 100k with all supporting mods, suspension brakes etc. And including the price of the car.
Then you still have to battle longevity, reliability, and MPG.
Then you have to battle traction and aerodynamics.
Remember the racing beat fd? That flipped @ 215mph?
A stock gallardo can do 200mph without breaking a sweat.
With more Aero parts more power and its awd, it will blow virtually any fd away.
Facts are facts.
04-16-12, 01:04 PM
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not to be a buzz kill but this is all good until you go up against those gallardo's from underground racing making 1500whp. They are making a trap speed at the texas mile above 250mph. I truly have to question what it would take to get our cars to do that and still have a car that can be driven to and from the event with full interior. of course if we had the same budget those guy have it might be a bit more conceivable.
04-16-12, 04:01 PM
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If they are both doing 10 second runs.... they are obviously equally fast.
There is an FD on the club that broke into the 10's with around 400whp. Obviously an great driver with a sorted setup.
Drag racing for the car is 3 things.... power, weight, traction.
There is an FD on the club that broke into the 10's with around 400whp. Obviously an great driver with a sorted setup.
Drag racing for the car is 3 things.... power, weight, traction.
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http://youtu.be/2dp_QKdQwdY
One of the greatest races ever watch the end they literally break apart the track.
One of the greatest races ever watch the end they literally break apart the track.
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