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03-24-12, 12:53 AM
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What's the quickest, simplest, cheapest way to make 550-600 WHP, not bhp, not hp at the flywheel, 550-600 on the ground...I've been told its as simple as a good turbo setup, ecu w/ NO porting, is that true?
03-25-12, 09:39 PM
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I would say a rebuild with a somewhat large streetport. big turbo, 2k cc ID injectors on all four. haltech or some ems tuned by a reputable rotary tuner. and race gas should put you up there. anyone wanna correct me on that??
03-25-12, 10:46 PM
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You were told wrong.... This is an involved setup to build reliably. There is nothing cheap about a 600whp rotary.
About $15-20k done right.
Engine ported, and doweled. (REW engines are better)
Twin disk clutch/ 6 puck
Good tranny
Stand alone (Haltech Sprint RE)
A larger frame turbo (GT42, HKS T51, etc)
Proper manifold & wastegate setup
ID injectors 1000/2000
Dual Aeromotive Stealths
FMIC
Cooling mods in check
CDI ignition and proper coil setup
Water injection
4" exhaust
instrumentation
A good tuner.
There are plenty other small things that need to be done, but this is a start.
If you are asking the question, you need to read and research. Spend some time in the Single Turbo section.
About $15-20k done right.
Engine ported, and doweled. (REW engines are better)
Twin disk clutch/ 6 puck
Good tranny
Stand alone (Haltech Sprint RE)
A larger frame turbo (GT42, HKS T51, etc)
Proper manifold & wastegate setup
ID injectors 1000/2000
Dual Aeromotive Stealths
FMIC
Cooling mods in check
CDI ignition and proper coil setup
Water injection
4" exhaust
instrumentation
A good tuner.
There are plenty other small things that need to be done, but this is a start.
If you are asking the question, you need to read and research. Spend some time in the Single Turbo section.
03-25-12, 10:51 PM
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http://rx7.com/cgi-local/2ndgencalc.cgi
03-25-12, 11:46 PM
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Ima prob start off w/ water injection bc I've seen nun but good results from it...& lookin at a to4z, gt35, & billet 6765
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03-26-12, 12:08 AM
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It takes more than a turbo, W/I, and high boost to get it there and keep it there for more than a dyno run!
I agree with XLR8, if you have to ask than you're probably not ready to do it right on your own...
OR! You could have your car taken to Ari and Co. at Rotary Performance (www.RX7.com, they are in Texas and very reputable) and tell them your plans. Ask what they suggest and do it. If you can't afford to do it right, than don't try to do it all in one step. Take care of reliability and support first, then chase power.
I agree with XLR8, if you have to ask than you're probably not ready to do it right on your own...
OR! You could have your car taken to Ari and Co. at Rotary Performance (www.RX7.com, they are in Texas and very reputable) and tell them your plans. Ask what they suggest and do it. If you can't afford to do it right, than don't try to do it all in one step. Take care of reliability and support first, then chase power.
03-26-12, 12:15 AM
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O know that, these aren't the only parts I've chosen
Jus a lil game plan
-built & large streetported motor
-a-spec billet6765 kit with a 1.00a/r t4turbine and ported H cover for fancy sound.
-power fc tuned by me
-850/2000cc injectors
-dual walbro pump and a kenne bell boost a pump
-coolingmist 250psi pump with a c10 injector 800cc running 100% water
-exhaust is 3" all the way back.
-exedy twin disk setup
-3 bar map sensor
-greddy profec s bc
-blitz fmic -alum radiator
Jus a lil game plan
-built & large streetported motor
-a-spec billet6765 kit with a 1.00a/r t4turbine and ported H cover for fancy sound.
-power fc tuned by me
-850/2000cc injectors
-dual walbro pump and a kenne bell boost a pump
-coolingmist 250psi pump with a c10 injector 800cc running 100% water
-exhaust is 3" all the way back.
-exedy twin disk setup
-3 bar map sensor
-greddy profec s bc
-blitz fmic -alum radiator
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03-26-12, 05:55 AM
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O know that, these aren't the only parts I've chosen
Jus a lil game plan
-built & large streetported motor
-a-spec billet6765 kit with a 1.00a/r t4turbine and ported H cover for fancy sound.
-power fc tuned by me
-850/2000cc injectors
-dual walbro pump and a kenne bell boost a pump
-coolingmist 250psi pump with a c10 injector 800cc running 100% water
-exhaust is 3" all the way back.
-exedy twin disk setup
-3 bar map sensor
-greddy profec s bc
-blitz fmic -alum radiator
Jus a lil game plan
-built & large streetported motor
-a-spec billet6765 kit with a 1.00a/r t4turbine and ported H cover for fancy sound.
-power fc tuned by me
-850/2000cc injectors
-dual walbro pump and a kenne bell boost a pump
-coolingmist 250psi pump with a c10 injector 800cc running 100% water
-exhaust is 3" all the way back.
-exedy twin disk setup
-3 bar map sensor
-greddy profec s bc
-blitz fmic -alum radiator
-4" exhaust will flow better. Above 500hp, you will need it.
-No need for a boostapump with a proper pump setup.
-Ditch the Walbro's and go with Stealth's or Supra pumps.
-Good turbo choice.
-I would go with a Haltech or Microtech. The ignition drivers will enable you to run a better setup. Otherwise you will be limited to the stock coils and a twin power. You will need a solid ignition for that power and amount of injected water.
03-26-12, 07:42 AM
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Seen this asked too many times...
1. If you gotta ask, your already in for more than you can handle.
2. Tuned PFC by you wont get you 600rwhp...
3. XLR8's list is a good starting point but by no means biblical or the only way.
4. Read more, learn more, save money.
I'd love to see a 10th AE in Houston with 600hp.
1. If you gotta ask, your already in for more than you can handle.
2. Tuned PFC by you wont get you 600rwhp...
3. XLR8's list is a good starting point but by no means biblical or the only way.
4. Read more, learn more, save money.
I'd love to see a 10th AE in Houston with 600hp.
03-26-12, 07:57 AM
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I love how the thread started with "what do i need to get me there" and 3 days later he now says "I have seen it done and itll get me there"
why ask for opinions if you are not going to listen to them??
why ask for opinions if you are not going to listen to them??
03-26-12, 09:07 AM
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I'm in the process of a build to achieve 500-550 at the wheels with my 91. It will have an REW though. It's a long road with lots of expenses and it's no where near as easy or as cheap as you seem to think. I don't even want to think about how much money I've already spent buying parts or how much I have left to spend to buy the remaining parts. Just go ahead and buy some parts and start installing and take it to the dyno. Just see for yourself how easy it is to obtain this power level.
03-26-12, 09:43 AM
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There's no such thing as "cheapest." Only "easiest" and "simplest."
The easiest would be to pay someone else to do it for you.
The simplest would be a turbo LS1 or a single turbo 20B swap.
There is no replacement for displacement. lol
The easiest would be to pay someone else to do it for you.
The simplest would be a turbo LS1 or a single turbo 20B swap.
There is no replacement for displacement. lol
03-26-12, 12:57 PM
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Bc if you jus listen to everyone's opinions & input you'd never finish ya car -_-, that's jus one persons input & "I've seen it done" bc I have, I'm tryna hear other setups
03-26-12, 01:00 PM
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I'm in the process of a build to achieve 500-550 at the wheels with my 91. It will have an REW though. It's a long road with lots of expenses and it's no where near as easy or as cheap as you seem to think. I don't even want to think about how much money I've already spent buying parts or how much I have left to spend to buy the remaining parts. Just go ahead and buy some parts and start installing and take it to the dyno. Just see for yourself how easy it is to obtain this power level.
03-26-12, 04:47 PM
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-Not enough fuel. Go with 1000 primaries.
-4" exhaust will flow better. Above 500hp, you will need it.
-No need for a boostapump with a proper pump setup.
-Ditch the Walbro's and go with Stealth's or Supra pumps.
-Good turbo choice.
-I would go with a Haltech or Microtech. The ignition drivers will enable you to run a better setup. Otherwise you will be limited to the stock coils and a twin power. You will need a solid ignition for that power and amount of injected water.
-4" exhaust will flow better. Above 500hp, you will need it.
-No need for a boostapump with a proper pump setup.
-Ditch the Walbro's and go with Stealth's or Supra pumps.
-Good turbo choice.
-I would go with a Haltech or Microtech. The ignition drivers will enable you to run a better setup. Otherwise you will be limited to the stock coils and a twin power. You will need a solid ignition for that power and amount of injected water.
03-26-12, 08:41 PM
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simple, rebuild motor .
big borg warner s476
all four 1680cc injector
microtech lt16 x4 plus msd coils
race fuel
big *** external fuelpump
big *** intercooler.
how long will it last... who knows haha
big borg warner s476
all four 1680cc injector
microtech lt16 x4 plus msd coils
race fuel
big *** external fuelpump
big *** intercooler.
how long will it last... who knows haha
03-27-12, 09:18 AM
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Seriously, if your in Houston, come out to one of the local meets and chat around with some of the local guys that are pushing over 350...they can help explain what it takes to get to 350 and why they arent there yet.
Even 350rwhp is a nice goal, and not easily attainable, especially reliably. And reliability matters.
Even 350rwhp is a nice goal, and not easily attainable, especially reliably. And reliability matters.
03-27-12, 10:00 PM
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Seriously, if your in Houston, come out to one of the local meets and chat around with some of the local guys that are pushing over 350...they can help explain what it takes to get to 350 and why they arent there yet.
Even 350rwhp is a nice goal, and not easily attainable, especially reliably. And reliability matters.
Even 350rwhp is a nice goal, and not easily attainable, especially reliably. And reliability matters.
03-27-12, 10:49 PM
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