they seem to be very cheap compared to haltech and sds
or PFC
there's a lot of rotarys in aus that are using it and running in the 8's
any pro or cons?
especially you guys from down under

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The MicroTech MT Series gives you big performance in a small affordable package.

Designed to suit most modern EFI engines or carburetor to EFI conversions, the MT Series is the perfect budget solution to your engines fuel supply and ignition needs.

Using data collected from the engine, the MT Series ECU makes instantaneous changes to the fuel flow and ignition curves as conditions change, keeping your engine running in peak condition all the time.

When you purchase a MicroTech MT Series, it is fitted with a factory programmed chip which will allow you to start the engine as soon as the MT has been installed. Fine tuning is achieved by the use of the MT Handset, which allows you to easily customise the function maps for the specific needs of your engine.

The MT Handset also displays information on the engine conditions in real time, and features a data logging facility allowing you to store and retrieve data regarding the running condition to assist with advanced setup.

Whether you are looking for improved performance, or perhaps better fuel economy, the MicroTech MT Series gives you what you want the way you want it, without the hassle and expense.

OPERATION

The MicroTech MT Series computer uses data collected from the engine through RPM, Manifold pressure, Air Temp, Throttle Position, Water Temp and Battery voltage to make instantaneous decisions as to the fuel requirements of the engine to maintain peak performance under all conditions.

The MT Series (except MT-4) also comes with all required software to control the ignition timing. The adjustments available include RPM, Manifold Pressure, Boost Retard, Air Temperature correction and Water Temperature correction. While the software is included with the base unit, different signal converters and ignition drivers to fire either a multi-coil pack or single coil are required for each custom application.

To assist with fine tuning, the MT Series stores information which relates to RPM, Manifold pressure, Water temperature, Air temperature, Throttle Position, Injector time on (mS) Primary and Secondary, Voltage, Air/Fuel Ratio and Ignition Timing.


FEATURES

- Designed and built in Australia

- To suit modern EFI cars or custom installations

- Strong compact slimline extrusion housing

- Compatible with Manufacturers sensors

- Compatible with OEM crank angle sensors

- Turbo or Non-Turbo applications

- High RFI & voltage transients protection

- Advance Digital Fuel Control

- Sequential Injector firing

- Advanced Ignition Control

- Multi-coil Applications

- Programmable Auxiliary output

- Air/Fuel Ratio Readout

- Data Logging

- Twin Memory maps

- Diagnostic Output test

- Intelligent easy to use 5 button Handset

- Backlit LCD Handset (No PC required)

- 12 month Warranty

- Easy to install

- Factory Preset: just plug in and go

- Priced to suit your budget















FUNCTIONS

The MicroTech MT Series is a state of the art electronic engine management computer, which allows the user to fine tune Fuel and Ignition maps to suit the changing conditions of the engine with full interpolation between maps for smooth transitions.

*Load

Sets the main fuel map for the engine via an inbuilt MAP sensor in the ECU. There are 16 LOAD points ranging from 30 degrees Hg to 20 psi.

*Idle

Sets the basic fuel map for the engine at idle. There are 8 LOAD points ranging from 30 degrees Hg to 00 degrees Hg.

*RPM Wide Open Throttle

Adds (or subtracts) a set amount of fuel when the throttle is wide open. The amount of variation depends on the engine speed with 16 setting points between 500rpm and 8000rpm at 500rpm intervals.


*RPM Cruise

Adds (or subtracts) a set amount of fuel while constantly cruising. The amount of variations depend on the engine speed with 16 setting points between 500rpm and 8000rpmat 500rpm intervals.

*Accelerator pump

Supplies additional fuel and timing as the throttle is opened to allow crisp acceleration. This is a dual stage function, setup by adjusting the switch on and switch off points, aswell as the amount of






additional fuel required.

*Water Temp

Adds (or subtracts) fuel dependents upon the engine coolant temperature, to assist with engine warm-up. There are 6 adjustment points ranging from -25 degrees to 124 degrees.

*Air Temperature

Adds (or subtracts) fuel dependent on the temperature of the induction air to maintain engine performance as ambulant temperature changes. There are 16 adjustment points ranging from -25 degrees to 124 degrees.

*Cranking Enrichment

Supplies additional fuel while cranking the engine to assist with starting. Correction can be made at 16 temperature points ranging from -25 degrees to 124 degrees allowing for easy starting, hot or cold.

*Tuning RPM

Sets the main ignition curve for the engine. There are 16 points between 500rpm and 8000rpm at 500rpm intervals. The ignition timing is adjustable over a 45 degree range.

*Timing Load

Adds (or subtracts) ignition timing while cruising under load or boost. There are 16 points ranging from 30 degrees Hg to 20psi.

*Timing Water Temp

Adds (or subtracts) ignition timing dependant upon the engine coolant temperature. There are 16 adjustment points ranging from -25 degrees to 124 degrees.

*Timing Air Temp

Adds (or subtracts) ignition timing dependant on the temperature of the induction air. There are 16 adjustment points ranging from -25 degrees to 124 degrees.

*Options

The MicroTech MT Series also has numerous options which allow you to customise your engine setup for the type of work it will be doing. These options include:


- User selectable for 4,6,8 cylinder and rotary mode

- Twin program maps plus memory storage areas

- MAP or TPS programming modes

- Auxiliary output switching (RPM, LOAD or WATER)

- Data logging (user definable parameters)

- Air/Fuel ratio display

- Multipoint or Throttle body fuel injection modes

- After Stort Enrichment

- Mixture Trim

- Rev Limiter

- Rev Cut

- Boost Cut

- Injector Staging

- Adjustable Deceleration cutoff

- Adjustable Ignition input and output triggers

- Adjustable Dwell Control (time base or duty cycle)

 

i've heard very good things about them. my mechanic has used it before with good results. he told me they are coming with a new unit, supposed to be a motec killer, cause you can change fuel ratio of the rotors seperately in case one has higher compression you can add more fuel. this is what i've heard.

 

In the land of EFI systems (aussie) you pay for what you get, Microtech's are cheap than the likes of Haltech, motec and Autronic for a very good reason. yes there are handfuls of cars running 8's, 9's and 10's running microtech, but how often do you see those cars driven on the street or around a circut? They are fine for drag strip stuff where not maany variables are found, and things can be changed if need be very easy at thte touch of a button on the hand controller, however, they dont offer the resolution of the upper range ecu's and because of that streetability and driveability is their downfall.

 

There are lots of very quick cars using a Microtech EMS. I would half agree with what HWO said. I agree that it is not as accurate as a MoTeC or Autronic and othe top end computers. Microtech are/have released a new computer which I have heard is suppose to be a big improvement over the old models with full datalogging and being laptop programmable (instead of just with the hand contoller like the other models). I have not heard anything about improved accuracy or anything though.

As for streetability and driveability being their downfall, well this would seem to make sense because of them having lower accuracy than some other EMSs but I haven't seen it. I know several people who have a Microtech MT-8 in their daily drivers and have had no problems at all, in fact you wouldn't even know that the standard computer wasn't in there onther than there being a lot more power due to they running more boost with the Microtech. Maybe if they put in a MoTeC they might get more power and better fuel economy, but for value for money I think that they are hard to beat.

 

they have certainly come a long way since their digi 2 days, and the rest of their systems which you needed a trained octopus and a complete set of screw drivers to tune and adjust

 

hmm well what about the Wold 3D
it also uses a hand controller

I been trying to find prices on them
but no websites state a price

I don't want to spend
1,500.00 USD
2,987.45 AUD on a computer like the Haltech E6K after all the options...

I'm into drag racing
with limited street use

please give me prices in AUD if you want
and some info on the ones with ?
no clue about them pro /con's

Wolf 3D ?
Microtech MTX-8 $995 AUD (dalton racing) + $150 hand controller
Haltech E6k $1145 USD (basic)
SDS EM3-D $763 USD *fuel only*
Motec ?
Link ?
Electromotive $ too much
AUTRONIC ?
EMS ?

 

Wolf 3D V3.1 was $1350 if I remember correctly, but they don't sell that anymore. The Wolf 3D V4 is due to be released very soon so I am not very sure on the price. One person who posted on the forum at www.fullboost.com.au said that he was given a price of $1450 installed for the new computer when it is released with a group buy. This would indicate that the new computer will cost about the same as the old one if not a little less, which would mean ~US$700.

The info that I have on the new Wolf is that it is going to be packed full of features including a boost controller and is going to be as accurate as the top end computers such as MoTeC and Autronic. The word I have is that my workshop is going to get it on 12 Nov, and I will be getting it put in my car shortly after.

 

I paid equal to $2050AUD for my complete E6K with all the trimmings, dunno where you get your prices from but you are getting RIPPED

 

i paid trade price on the E6K plus bought haltech boost controler solenoid,3bar map sensor ,wiring kit..ect and it was under AUD$2000

 

I was quoted a price of $1206 U.S. for a Wolf 3D by Ron Foreman 2 years ago. I wound up buying a used one for $700.

 

damm thats $1,029.30 USD with map sensor, terminated harness,
Boost Control Module ?
damm maybe us yanks are getting ripped lol
would have to add $150 for shipping to US
but still cheaper then US dealers

what do you think of dyson and dalton racing (diffrent shops)
I'm thinking of ordering some stuff from them

 

I have done that calculation with the Haltech E6K using the pricing on The Hitmans web site as well and came up with the same ~$2600 figure. I think that to get the whole lot at a price under $2000 you would need to have some good contacts.

I have not used either Dalton or Dyson but I do know of one guy who had his engine built there and know of other quick cars that they have built. I believe that they are both reputable shops and have not heard any bad stories about them.

As for you guys in the US being ripped off, I would have to agree. I have never understood why you pay about the same price over there for something that comes from here when your dollar is worth almost twice as much. Someone is making more money than they should.

 

Why do you want a terminated harness? i got the flying loom and connector kit

 

Don't know. It sounded like it would be easier to install.

 

I had a Microtech on my S4 13B Turbo motor, it idled like crap chewed fuel like u wouldnt believe and there was no such thing as smooth acceleration because it just cant be tuned well enough for street driving.
For a drag car where u are not going to worry about fuel economy driveability etc they are quite fine.
Also they are a bit cheaper than the others because they dont have half of the options the others have.
Im running a Haltech E6K on my car now and it is 200% better than wot i had before.
In my opinion the top 3 computers are the Motec Autronic and Haltech the rest of them are in a group of their own.
It all comes down to you get what you pay for.

 

Mister Genius - that name says it all, you hit the nail BANG on the head

 

lol know what you mean.

I use an EMS Type R on an FD. I was really hesitant because of the disturbing load adjusting but now I like it. It runs the turbos fully seq. without a problem and I can run totally separate maps /solenoid duties for race days.

It revs smoothly but I'm buggered if I could get it to idle properly. I now use the mazda computer for idle and OMP. Problem solved.

-pete

 

I think the drivability of the car comes down to tuning. I don't have any first hand experience with Microtech, but I've only heard good things about them. And I'm talking about the MT-8 and MT-12 models here.

A friend of my brother's builds rotaries and uses MT-8/12 in all his cars. I've been told that they all run great. Of course I can't verify that as I never driven them, but it is a fact that most of the cars that come out of this shop are in the 10s

What I'm trying to say is that it all comes down to how good the tuner is. I also have my doubts about Microtech, but my brother keeps telling me that its good enough. I'll find out soon enough when he gets his car back from the shop. Then I'll decide if I'll use one in my FD once I go single turbo. But I bet it can't be worse than the 20l/100km (11mpg) that I'm getting out my FD at the moment.

 

being able to run an engine to run 10's down the 1/4 mile and being able to run an engine which is smooth thru out its range on the street and or circut are TWO different things

 

I realise that, that's why I said that they all run great (or as you say, smooth), as some of them are driven on the street. But thats only what I've heard.

I'll find out if Microtech is any good on the street once my bro gets his car back. Btw, he has a RX-7 S2 thats getting a 13bt motor, so its not an all out drag car and he's expecting around 180kw at the wheels. It would be good to see how driveable it will be on the street and what kinda milage he could get out of it if driven sedately.

 

I'll make it easy for you guys: Siguel Racing from Puerto Rico (3 rotor FD) is running 7:33 on microtech. Anyone faster????

 

That really isn't relevant. I am sure he could go just as fast with any of the other ECUs. Did he drive the car home after running the the 7.33?

 

Jonh Force runs consistent 4.8x's - does this mean we all convert to LENCO's and carbs running nitromethane?&nbsp John Force doesn't run a Microtech...




-Ted

 

I am a Haltech, Microtech and Motec dealer in South Australia, I have installed and tuned dozens of each over the past 8 years and in fact sell more Haltechs than anything..mainly to the USA. If you asked me which ECU's I prefer, Id say if money was no option Id run a MOTEC or Haltech on a piston motor but there are some very good options the new Microtech LT8 and LT12 have that the others dont have that makes them desirable to run on rotaries and sacrifice those few adjustment points that the others have.
No doubt if you want factory economy figures or better, some of the Top end units with closed loop O2 control are obviously the way to go, but I think it all boils down to what your using the car for.
Anyone who is a real tuner will agree that any ECU (provided it can open an injector for a certain amount of time that its programmed to)..(and they all do) should make just as much PEAK power as another, if your car has a certain ECU on it and its running shithouse its most likely the tuner or a mechanical problem with the car.
The thing I find the most frustrating about all the different ECU's is the greif when installing and doing the setup on a car.. this doent really apply to rotaries but some of these Top end ECUs require custom trigger discs for their Crank angle sensors and "handshake" modules to convert signals from CAS to the ECU for them to work correctly.
The most positive thing I find about the Microtech LT series ECU's are that they use all the factory sensors and dont run igniters, they have one inbuilt in the ECU.
I will try to attach a document that is a comparo of main features on the Power FC, Microtech MT12, Haltech E6K and Motec M4pro.

 

Heres, the comparo document.
I didnt write it, and only recieved it from a customer who found it on the Web somewhere, so dont blame me if anythings not right, but it all looks to be O.K.