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Old 07-27-09, 10:24 PM
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Eyecandy SuperAngle Tie Rods and bumpsteer

Anybody have just these installed or had them then added to them later? Before and after angle pictures etc?


I'm still sorted confused on the bumpsteer. With a lowered FC and these inner tie rods is the bumpsteer really bad? I'm only doing entry level drifting, no courses with elevation change or whatever. But I also daily drive my car. This being said, will I need to purchase SuperNow Tie Rod Ends as well as the eyecandy rods?
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The angle of the tie rods and the control arms have more to do with bump steer than how much extra movement you get from the rack........

Not to be a dick but it sucks that people have a hard time understanding things like that.
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im still running stock oem tierods but with tie rod spacers and modded knuckles.. bumpsteer is abit crazy since my car is somewhat low..but I guess you get used to it lol
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Originally Posted by NoPistons!
The angle of the tie rods and the control arms have everything to do with bump steer not how much extra movement you get from the rack........

Not to be a dick but it sucks that people have a hard time understanding things like that.
Fixed for facts.
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Originally Posted by NoPistons!
The angle of the tie rods and the control arms have more to do with bump steer than how much extra movement you get from the rack........

Not to be a dick but it sucks that people have a hard time understanding things like that.
You're not, Im just ignorant to it all. Thats why I asked.
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Originally Posted by Turbo II Rotor
Fixed for facts.
More or less firmly clarified.

Instead of "i'm a hater" under your name, you should have "i'm a douchebag"

And dk, you'd have to correct the lower control arm angle as well.

An adjustable lower ball joint that you can just press in (s5) or bolt up (s4) would be nice.
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Anyone ever try moving the balljoint on top of the LCA to correct some bumpsteer?
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Originally Posted by NoPistons!
More or less firmly clarified.

Instead of "i'm a hater" under your name, you should have "i'm a douchebag"
[ ] Know what you're talking about.

[ ] STFU.

Pick one and I'll be a happy man.
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That's all it takes?

Maybe you could pound a few beers and light up a joint before you start posting. I'm sure everyone would love that.


+1 for moving the ball joint up top though. Worth a go i think.
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^^ lol...thank's nopistons and t2rotor for explaining bumpsteer for me.

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Originally Posted by NoPistons!
That's all it takes?

Maybe you could pound a few beers and light up a joint before you start posting. I'm sure everyone would love that.


+1 for moving the ball joint up top though. Worth a go i think.
What makes you say I don't?
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Had the rods installed today, not a major difference. Will post pictures later.

Will the mazdatrix angle kit fit the SuperAngle rods? And is there a difference between the mazdatrix kit and the SuperNow?
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Originally Posted by K!NCH
Had the rods installed today, not a major difference. Will post pictures later.

Will the mazdatrix angle kit fit the SuperAngle rods? And is there a difference between the mazdatrix kit and the SuperNow?
You should be seeing about 8degrees more angle, if not check your alignment.

The Mazdatrix is the same as the Super*Now's, just a knock off lower quality version, Mazdatixs rod ends suck.

What part of the kit are you talking about? The Superangle tie rods give the same angle as the Super*Now and Mazdatrix bolt-on spacers, only difference is the Superangle tie rods are a one piece design, plus new tie rods (no cutting required), simple bolt on direct OEM replacement. The Super*Now or Mazdatrix tie rod ends will fit the inner tie rods.
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for some reason on my car eyecandy's tie rods were to short.

I have the supernow angle kit and didn't use the inner spacer and just used the tie rod end, however i could only get like 3 threads from the tierod into the end and had massive toe in. I didn't feel safe at all with this so....

I basically ended up having to use the supernow spacer and cut 1" off the tie rod to have good threading and 0 toe
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Originally Posted by eyecandy
You should be seeing about 8degrees more angle, if not check your alignment.

The Mazdatrix is the same as the Super*Now's, just a knock off lower quality version, Mazdatixs rod ends suck.

What part of the kit are you talking about? The Superangle tie rods give the same angle as the Super*Now and Mazdatrix bolt-on spacers, only difference is the Superangle tie rods are a one piece design, plus new tie rods (no cutting required), simple bolt on direct OEM replacement. The Super*Now or Mazdatrix tie rod ends will fit the inner tie rods.
I got my car aligned after the install and didnt see/notice much of a difference. Here's a picture post install. Everything is stock except for the tie rods.




And I was asking about the SuperNow tie rod ends. Do they add angle or not?
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No the bumpsteer ends do not add angle. They are to correct bumpsteer only. Post your before pic from the top of the car, and the after. Thats the best way for us to see.
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dkwasherexd custom fab deal is really good, the angle he get's is crazy.

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Originally Posted by turboefini88
No the bumpsteer ends do not add angle. They are to correct bumpsteer only. Post your before pic from the top of the car, and the after. Thats the best way for us to see.
Maybe it's the angle of the picture that makes it look like nothing/small change.

Before shot.


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dude, look at the tread in both pix. You can see the ammount of angle increase you got. Also, look at the inside part of the tire, you have alot more showing outside the fender in the after pic then the before pic.
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Originally Posted by turboefini88
dude, look at the tread in both pix. You can see the ammount of angle increase you got. Also, look at the inside part of the tire, you have alot more showing outside the fender in the after pic then the before pic.
I really couldn't tell, I thought it was just the angle of the photo. And think that was with a 5mm spacer on the front :/ Thanks tho.

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Could someone explain why the Mazdatrix ends give angle but the SuperNow ones don't?? Or is Mazdatrix just full of it?
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Originally Posted by K!NCH
I really couldn't tell, I thought it was just the angle of the photo. Thanks tho.

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Could someone explain why the Mazdatrix ends give angle but the SuperNow ones don't?? Or is Mazdatrix just full of it?
The Mazdatrix ends don't give more angle. They are just shorter because the spacers add to the length of the tie rods. The spacers are what add angle. If they weren't shorter you would have toe out and would have to cut a couple threads off the inner tie rod.

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I see more angle there, regardless of your spacers. I wont be there tomorrow. I had to work today, and dont have enuf time to get my front end back together before tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by turboefini88
I see more angle there, regardless of your spacers. I wont be there tomorrow. I had to work today, and dont have enuf time to get my front end back together before tomorrow.


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Originally Posted by Turbo II Rotor
The Mazdatrix ends don't give more angle. They are just shorter because the spacers add to the length of the tie rods. The spacers are what add angle. If they weren't shorter you would have toe out and would have to cut a couple threads off the inner tie rod.
So my angle wouldn't change regardless of whether I went SuperNow or Mazdatrix?
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Anyone know if I can use the spacer that comes with the mazdatrix ends, with the Eyecandy inner tie rods?


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