zensokuracer001

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Final thoughts on Deals Gap Rotary Rally.

Day one leaving charlotte nice little crew 3 fd's, M3, and Rx8. Fast fwd one hour meeting at the exit of 85 to start the adventure. We are now down 2 fd's one blown tranny, and the other blown oil ring for the turbo. Long story short to much power to leave charlotte. Three hour drive in the rain was no fun. Arrive to the event. First thing i get to do is meet one of the biggest *** clowns ive ever met in 32 years. All the stories were true, good ol Phil Sohn, I have seen homeless men beg for money with more dignity then this joker. He was nice enough to let me stay at his event, all i had to do is register "buy" raffle ticket, and an official deals gap shirt from last year (wonder if he dint get the memo that it is 2013). Oh yeah and a cool name tag. The organizer was the worst part of this event. Day two great car show very amazing cars and cool people to meet and talk to. Then the fun began. Running the dragon, 11 miles 318 curves and corners x2 had to go back up the mountain to leave, the best way to describe it is Gran Tursimo in real life. All in all an amazing time with great friends, cars, and biggest ******* of the rotary game Phil.

evot23

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Wow. Glad you got that off your chest. Sorry about the FD's but better they die BEFORE getting to the Dragon. Breaking down in the mountains sucks.

As for the "event" its just that....an Event..and you decided to come to it. Many people pre-registered, paid for themselves and their passengers, to attend. Why would you be any different? And you certainly had a choice NOT to pay. If everyone could do it for free, everyone would. Just wouldn't be fair to everyone else if he let you attend without paying. And shirts were limited in registration and not guaranteed to late comers.

I guess you didn't get the memo about
1. Registration
2. Payment
3. Class

gxl90rx7

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what does the registration fee pay for beside t-shirt? to be honest i stopped registering, i dont see what the point is if you dont want a $40 t-shirt. and he is right, phil can be an ******* if you get on his bad side lol

Herblenny

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Biggest *******... LOL! Funny how you say that because some of us thought you were.

I will say this, I have thought about the situation when you refuse to register and I went to find you and spent good amounts of time explaining the situation and ask you to sign the waiver, show your ID, and did NOT have to pay. Maybe you shouldn't of been drinking at 10AM and you might remember things better. A week later and now calling me an ******* just make you look like an idiot.

As I explained to you before, It was about fairness. I drove longer than you to get to the event and so did over 75% of the people who were there. You refusing to register and constantly asking, "WHAT DO I GET?" was insulting and lack the understanding of what it takes to run an event. Call me what you like, but at the end, I gave you an option and explained the situation in professional manner as possible. If you thought I was the "BIGGEST *******", than I will assume you will not attend next year and problem solved.

I will say this to those who's reading it and think $30-$35 is too much for you to attend this event. I been to a car show where all I do is park, no raffle prizes, no event T-shirt, and paid as much or more. I have also always told people in the past that if you CAN NOT afford to pay the registration, people tell me and explain your situation and I will waive the fee. This is an enthusiasts event and I and others have waived the fees in the past if they wanted to attend and saving few dollars will help.

But this guy, calling me an ******* because WE (me and the volunteers) asked him to pay as we stated on the site, forum, and such, is living in a completely different world. Personally, If you could own an FD and thinks you are entitled to such things as you described, I think its best you move on to something else.. Thought the whole situation was settled at the event and obviously you still think about it after a week.. Witnesses will confirm, I asked you at least 3 times if you were cool and understood what I told you and you stated, "yes". YIKES!!! Move the **** on and I will personally say here since I'm an *******, you will not be welcome

Herblenny

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Yup! Next year, we will be in a look out for those who do not register and don't sign the waiver.. And those are the people who thinks my time or anyone elses time isn't important is why we have to be more strick.. Sad really.. Its ONLY $30!! Again, if you are really that bad of shape, why even try to come to the event?? And as stated earlier, Let me know in advance and I'll waiver it as long as its a good financial reason. I guess that's still being an *******.

Cookboy

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I was happy to pay registration for two, my son and I, even though he was only there for 18 hours. I wouldn't know Phil if he bit me, but if he did and introduced himself I'd thank him for masterminding a wonderful event.
What I "got" can't be quantified in terms you'd understand, but it will certainly outlast a Tshirt. And ultimately prove more useful.
Maybe restructuring your life in such a way as to make what you give just slightly more important than what you get will turn you into a less whiny ingrate.

Herblenny

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Thank you for understanding.

In the similar topic, Eddie (evot23) have donated 2-3 registration in the past for those who were having hard time and also helped with their gas. I have always appreciated his gesture and hence next year I have offered one of my car to him to attend next year's DGRR.

I and others on this forum understand hardtime and we would definitely want to help those attend if they are hardcore rotary guys and if registration is an issue. But taking advantage of that, I think we all are in agreement that that's an ******* thing to do.

djmtsu

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I don't understand why he's being an ******* here.

For $35 you get a swag bag, raffle ticket with which you can win some seriously $$$ prizes, and support for the community.

Sell your FD, go buy a Civic and park hard somewhere. I heard IA lets people in free.

Herblenny

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You think I was tough at DGRR... IA, they got people with driving around looking for people who didn't pay.. Seriously!!

I think what happened this year is because BIG John wasn't there.. I bet zensokuracer001 wouldn't be calling John, a "Biggest *******".

djmtsu

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I would pay for everyone's registration to see that.

Trexthe3rd

Apparently 32 years is not enough time for some people to mature or gain any intelligence.

How ignorant are thee, let me count the ways.
1. Creating and maintaining an event website
2. Time to source location
3. Time to contact manufactures
4. Time to plan activities
5. Material cost on all event related items

How much is your time worth? Truth be told, I wouldn't be able to put an event like this together with the measly registration fees paid for the event, it wouldn't pay for my time. Phil and the team of dedicated volunteers donate their time to put this event together so @ss-hats like the OP can come and enjoy themselves. I have been at this event since year 1, have volunteered and paid for registration. If you don't like it, please feel free to spend the time and put one together yourself so everyone can attend for free. I like to be there.

tytemf5

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Phil, I really appreciate what you do and like the other positive posters said, the $30 I well worth it! That being said, I volunteer to be rotary security or whatever else is needed for dgrr x! So looking forward to it I'm still going through dragon withdrawal!

Herblenny

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LOL! I would like to see zensokuracer001 say that to him and also watch you pay for everyone's registration fees

Thanks for pointing that out Mike. I do hope zensokuracer001 can put one together, make it free, offer the same thing as I have been, and I'll step away and come over and than start a thread on here saying, "zensokuracer001 is the Biggest Asshat I have ever met in my 18 years on this earth". Ok.. Maybe not 18


Thanks for attending and if you could run security, I would greatly appreciate it!! I'll also make sure Big John helps out next year too... so he can deal with this BS

tytemf5

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Of course phil! Any way I can contribute! I as at dgrr 2012 too but I failed to register. Ps dont shun me! Lol

Islander

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This big john character sounds so interesting. I wanna meet him.

zensokuracer001

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lol drinking b4 10 am i got there around 4 o'clock you're a joke dude you host this event to fund your toys. i can see paying for the space and what not. and no worries i want a 40 dollar grab bag oh wait i didn't even get that. Real talk i heard "things" about you but i was like nah let me meet the guy and sure enough you came out in full form. First you never said what the "waiver" was for and you never told me what to register for i'll pay to help out the rotary community but not to pay for your ****. i asked how do i register you said you didn't register? so ill have to ask you to leave. you explained nothing. it's no wonder more people did not attend. I had no problem paying to attend the event but i did not know i had to do this, all i asked what was included and why. simple right, i guess not. lol no lie you don't need ***** because you're on your own dick, get over yourself.

zensokuracer001

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lol let me stop. I'm sorry i should have just registered to put the money in your pocket my bad bro I'm a drunk and i don't go on rx7club everyday i should have paid up front. " we good bro" lol

Trout2

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You can come here and complain now but couldn't bother to research the event on here where there are threads that explain everything like: you pay early when the registration fee is less and you're gauranteed a t-shirt.

You're totally clueless if you think Phil could cover the cost of this event and pay for his cars. Please organize your own event so we can all come there for free and see how it should be done. I'll take a free large t-shirt.

94RHDFD

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Wow...........I miss one DGRR event and all this happens. Phil we've had this conversation for 9 years, there's always going to be someone who feels like they dont have to abide by rules that are set for a organized event. You will never be able to make everyone happy and he is cleary one of those people. Zensokuracer001, thank you for expressing your feelings and know that you are never welcomed to come back. One of the great things about having a great relationship with Natahala Village is that they agree that ANYONE we feel is causing trouble or refuse to abide by the rules we set for the event are deemed not welcome and they will kindly call the local PD and have them removed from their private property. So to you Z, and anyone else who doesnt agree with our rules, please stay away from Natahala Village during our event, we dont want you there.

Big John

Islander

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There was a miscommunication amongst the people involved. I found myself involved and was totally thrown off by what happened. There were witnesses that can prove Phil was like a spider monkey when it came to the situation. We just arrived, got offered a beer, and were waiting on one other person. Phil did approach the OP and was very stern with what he wanted done and nothing else mattered. To someone who doesn't know the process.... its fukd up to be bombarded like that. No one in our group knew the "process". And saying you will have to ask someone to leave and they just got there from a long *** drive........ = not cool.


Guess what. IVE NEVER REGISTERED.. but have I and do I still support the event by buying t-shirts and other stuff. Yes. There is a certain level of diplomacy that should be taken when approaching someone that might or might not know whats going on. I was approached the same way by Phil. Maybe not as dramatic, but he asked if I had registered. I replied NO. He then says "I dont wanna be a dick, but u gotta pay". Ok, well I wasnt aware that once you set foot on the premises that you are responsible for paying. My car is usually with a vendor and I just roll with the flow. I bought a few Items and was trying to buy more, but heard from a vendor that they weren't allowed to sell at the event, not sure how that works. Hmmm. But I do feel things should be explained and broken down more, so us not in The loop know what to do and expect next time.

Ive never had to deal with Phil, actually never knew who he was til I met him one day in charlotte. And my impression is he is very egotistical. So what, so am I. But the whole situation was really a miscommunication issue.

And for the record I wake up and drink a beer. Hooray beer.

Herblenny

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LOL! Do you still live with your parents?? Because you seem like the guy who's 32, no job, lives with his parents because you feel like you are entitled to live there because its free. If you think that I could afford my toys because of this event than you are definitely living in a false world. I debate about doing this event because people like you and it takes up tremedous amount of time away from family and such.. Example right now, I've spend couple of hours dealing with this BS. Not only that, after explaining things to you for 15-25 mins at the event and now on here, you can't grasp the concept and a week later bitching about the issue only tells me you must have some mental/learning issues too. Were you in some learning disability class? Because maybe I needed to have some charts, big letters, and small kitties on it to explain things to you.. As I asked some of the volunteers in the room if I made sense when I explained the situation and they said i did.. I'm still explaining to you now and you STILL can't grasp the concept.

Again, to clarify to You and Islander.. Its a private event when it comes to NVNC and when place is rented solely to the event. Also, if 200+ people CAN understand and registered and your excuse is, 'it wasn't clear enough', than I don't know what you tell you. Maybe you should of done more research??

And to Islander, Since you want to also get involved in this I'll state what I saw. When I approached to you and realized you also weren't on the list, I asked the same question, "Did you registered?". Your first response was, "No, What you going to do about it?". My response to you was, "I'm going to be a Dick!". You could tell me I might have egotistic tendency but someone who says, "What are you going to do about it?" with attitude, isn't someone who can say I have an egotistic tendency. After that, You than said, "Yeah, I heard about you..". Later, Jonathan Hallenborg told me he gave one of his cabin/room to you because you were part of the RotorSport guys as Brian Smith couldn't come and Brian did mention to me that someone was coming to bring premix to one of his customers. I than came up to you, told you there seems to be a misunderstanding and I stated to you, "Things could of been much easier if you told me you were RotorSports". You than said, "I'll pay...", I said, NO need since you were representing RotorSports. I asked if everything is OK and you said all is good and shook hands. Hence I didn't bring your name until you brought mine. But zensokuracer001, was your guest and you yourself have stated earlier when we passed that you been here before.. I guess you never registered in the past??

However, I spoke to Brian Smith 4 days ago and I told him he should of told me who was representing him as we had some misunderstandings that could of been resolved if I knew who was representing him. He than tells me you were NOT representing him but just someone who brought the pre-mix for him. Now, you could tell me about how I didn't do some things and how I didn't explain certain things but when you look at this situation, you completely avoided telling me what was exactly was happening. I guess when I was waiving the registration fee for everyone because you were part of RotorSports you didn't mention that you weren't part of it?

Bottom line, as stated before and to zensokuracer001, Its a private event.. Its private event to control issues that might arrise, control people from signing a waiver, and if MONEY IS an issue, come talk to me in private and I will consider waiving the fee based on individual's situation. But anyone who's not a teen should understand the basic concept of this and someone who's 30+ and can't grasp that and using excuses of, "well, I didn't know..". To a certain degree I might can understand that but not when 200+ people have and OVER 9 years this event's been going on. Not a new concept here..

What will happen next year is that you, zensokuracer001 and Islander, have brought up a very important issue at hand. My NUMBER ONE goal next year is to make sure everyone who's at the event are registered. Its unfair for those who did and obviously at this point, because you both think i'm an ******* and would not attend. And to clarify, I have no intention of making this event big.. Its not about quantity and money but quality. I rather not have people who can't grasp this simple concept as you all can see, only causes more headaches. So, in many ways, I know next year's event might go even smoother if you guys opp to not attend. But that being said, and to take what I said before, You guys are welcome to come as long as you register

94RHDFD

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Islander - We've been doing this for 9 years now, almost every year someone shows up thinking they can just hangout like this is just some local strip mall parking lot hangout or questions why they have to pay the registration fee if they are not doing this or that. While we strive to make the event as causal and laid back as we possibly can this IS NOT a free event, never has been never will be, hell its not even a open to the public event. Ive found over the years that the people who complain thinks its just a random last minute gathering or say Deals Gap is a public road and feel like they are paying to drive. I've never been to any event indoor or out, that was more than just a random lot meet and attended for free. The chance to win the prizes @ the raffle alone are more than worth the registration fee. Things are kept as cheap as they possibly can be so that anyone wantig to attend can w/o breaking the bank.

It takes a enormous amount of enegry and time to put this together, theres almost no time gap from ending one DGRR to starting to prep for the next one, and EVERYONE involved with helping organize DGRR is doing so voluntarily, meaning we all have 40+ hour a week real jobs.

Anyone one with questions about the event only need to go to the website or PM Phil or I, or just read some of the older threads to know how things are run.

Big John

Islander

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The whole issue isnt about paying. And Phil you put words in my mouth which is not cool. You asked If I registered, I said no. You said I have to register, I said aight. And walked away. It wasnt about the money. It was the means of how you approached us about the money. There were at least 5 people standing around that seen and heard the whole thing. So I ask a question. If I walk up to big john or any of the event organizers and just start going off on them because of issues like having old shirts or whatever else, and you take offense to that...... would you turn a blinded eye? My circle of friends that were with me felt the situation was handled wrong. I felt the situation was handled wrong. Im the nicest guy you wanna meet, so I know im not the raving lunatic here.

As far as the event, we appreciate you doing whatever you do. Sounds like you dont do it for the love of it anymore. When its for the love of something it doesn't matter what happens, you carry on as planned. When it becomes a business venture, is where it better make sense. If it doesnt make sense, thats when you have to hassle people to make it make sense. I have supported the vendors every year and have bought shirts from you or whoever those proceeds go to, plus ive bought raffle tickets as well. When I first started going to dgrr I was informed that the registration was to make your car eligible for the car show. Ive never looked at my car as a beauty queen. She is a daily driven *****. So I never registered because of that. So maybe im wrong.

Also want to say. Im never a freeloader. I would gladly pay for myself and whoever else needs it. I want to make sure that everyone understands, im not affiliated with any of the vendors, I dont claim to be a part of this or that group. I have made friends that enjoy my company and my car. If anyone ask to display my car after I have purchased a product from them, I oblige. I do plan to attend any rotary event in the future that is accepting of me there. Now we all should know wha the proper procedures are for your event.

And make sure when you quote me, its actually what I said. I was there and you were there, witnesses aside, lets be super clear on that.

We good bro!!

drftinmx6

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Zensokuracer wasn't calling phil an ******* becuase he didn't want to pay the $40 bucks, he was calling him an ******* because of the way phil hassled him for one not being registered, then singled him out because he had a beer in his hand, like half of the other people at the event. then told him he would have to ask him to leave without very much explanation, he didn't explain what the waiver was for, and he didn't explain exactly what the registration money was being used for. It honestly just seemed kind of fishy at first, but the point is the demeanor toward our group was like we were criminals or something when we simply just was not sure what was going on because the people who were with us never registered in the past, or it was our first time going to the gap. I was under the impression that registering was optional honestly, i asked a few people about it and they told me we didn't have to register to attend the event. Not everybody lives on the forums though and it obviously wasn't stated clear enough on here or we probably would have pre registered, just so we wouldn't have to deal with the hassling. we weren't trying to be freeloaders by any means, but we definately didnt appreciate how we were treated because we didnt know that we had to register to even attend the event and then not get a clear enough explanation in-person, as to why things are done the way they are. It was a misunderstanding and zensokuracer was singled out for it from what i saw.

94RHDFD

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If we werent doing it for the love of the rotary and the community, we wouldnt be doing it. We both could spend our time doing something else. To say it doesnt matter, you carry on as planned, clearly tells me you do not understand the logistics it takes to do this and be fair to everyone. If we were doing this as a business or to make money, believe me for the time it takes to not only organize but run this event the fee would be 4 times what it is. We dont hassle anyone, either you pay to attend or you dont and you leave........PERIOD.