FDSeoul

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In an effort to understand why and how could a thread which generated more then 40k hits in a short period of time could be locked out and closed do to a few rotten apples.
https://www.rx7club.com/lounge-192/post-your-picture-collection-hottest-looking-female-my-thread-777466/
The ones who posted regularly on my thread have enjoyed it will agree and please do post your opinion.
I am some what disgusted and disappointed at the actions of the MODS not allowing this thread to continue and have left it to the few rotten apples who clearly understood or did not understand that this Forum is a Conservative forum and that there exist a no none-sense policy regarding misbehavior.
I have personally made an effort while the thread was active, to insure that none of the polices was violated.

Unfortunately the MODS lacking patience and IMO over reacted and decided to close and lock the thread without offering any form of solution acted clearly in a manner which i feel was unjust to the popularity of the thread.

I am trying understand how the act of a few rotten apples can result in a totalitarian result without the mods providing a solution to maintaining a thread which obviously generated over 40k hits in a very short time span.

I am trying to be a positive contributor to this community and have behaved in accordance to the Forum regulation.
Simple closing a thread and not offering a solution IMO was a very poor choice on the part of MODS and clearly shows their lack of Patience and leadership for us in this community.

Thanks you for reading this thread.

F1blueRx7

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no one in the "higher powers" cares about hits in the lounge because this isnt theloungeclub.com... it's rx7club.com. there are powers that be that would love to just see the lounge go away. them closing a thread that constantly had to be moderated just makes less work for them in the long run.

Maniacmikey

They try to punish by locking threads but the problem is that the people that violate policy probably do it just to get a thread locked. So who are they really punishing?


http://gallery.eclipse.co.il/d/28192-2/DSCF0764.jpg

mazpower

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God your still whining about this?

FDSeoul

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Sorry son, but no one is whining about anything. Please go play some where else.

cool3865

who cares, most of them are on a power trip anyways.........but then again it was a thread that was doomed from the start.

FDSeoul

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for the most part when it was posted in the west section there were no issues, but in the lounge like most other threads it was short lived.

blk91fc3s

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I got blamed for a thread being closed before. It was Retarded.

FDSeoul

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I am not looking to blame anyone for the closing of this thread, I am simply looking for a clarification of the actions taken against the people how misbehaved in any type of thread and why a poor choice such as locking and closing this thread was taken.

Archie

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*ahem*

I'll try my hardest Michael and this is certainly not speaking on behalf of all mod/admin staff on this site.

First, you know me personally. Do you really think that I care enough to punish anybody? I mean, I contributed to the thread on a semi-regular basis and have also been the author of similar threads (mine being locked also). This is not just about your thread. Though you/others may feel picked on and that it was a bad choice to close this thread, please consider the following;

- Similar threads have been allowed and they usually run their course, at which point they are closed due to continual violating posts.
- We can not be everywhere all the time. It's funny how people treat us like cops, talking **** here and there...only to enjoy the benefit of our service when they are in need.
- People have been fired, yes I said fired, from their place of employment for posts that violate the policies of this site. Arguing their ignorance and their ability to moderate their viewing is not our concern. It's just that way.

We continue to police as much as possible, only to find that people are unable to follow simple directions. This is a car enthusiast site, not Maxim.com. Pornography and women in provocative poses/attire can be found anywhere across the internet. Why does it have to exist here, on this site, whose number one focus should be technical? Have any of you considered that we have members that are far younger than you? Some being your children's age? Would you like them to see what some of these idiots have posted? Pause and think about that. I'm sure some would argue that their parents should be around to step in, but they may not be. The same issue could be taken with the Lounge in general and some would like the Lounge/Off-topic area to be closed.

As previously stated, another thread can be started sometime in the future (or shoot, maybe somebody more important than me will re-open your thread). That is the way it is on internet, the actions of 'them' and the consequences resulting are often felt by 'you'. That's life though. To address the issue of the West Section, a lot of freedom is given to that section and a lot of things are allowed that shouldn't be. Being a mod for that section, I neglect to act on things that I should because I feel like you guys should have a good time. Thus, it was not my decision to move the thread to the Lounge, or even to close it. But, I'm not the final authority and if others had it their way, the West would be a lot more tame.

I don't think anybody should take it personal and it certainly should not make anybody upset. It's the internet for crying out loud, it's not serious business. If any of you REALLY need a place to look at T&A, please PM and I will certainly provide some good action .

Edit to add: Though it may appear to be a poor choice to close a thread to you personally, take a step back and view it more globally to garner a better understandment of the actions that are taken.

FDSeoul

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Archie- thanks you for checking in. You have some very valid points however and i quote perhaps this should be practiced through out the entire lounge section and any other none technical matters which i personally find offensive.

pretty extreme I think if this were the case. I am bothered by the fact that there are unclear guidelines as to what flies and does not fly in this community.
I have exercised common sense in not posting pictures and any other offensives material including comments, simply because the **** just does not fly from the get go.
I am more upset at the simple fact that most of these community site operate under a unclear, very bias gray area policy giving false pretenses to those who choose to participate. If guidelines or RULES are set in place and those who violate them should be reprimanded and not the entire community who participate and obey the rules. This should apply throughout the whole entire community and not just when it seems convenient to those in positions of power cause they find a thread unnecessary or higher in maintenance in their opinion.

Icemark

There were numerous edits done by the mod staff both in the west section and when that thread got moved to the lounge, and in each case, there were warnings posted in the thread, and to the offending individuals.

It was very very very clear, and posted multiple times, what was acceptable and what was not in that thread, yet there were continual violations both in the west section and in the lounge.

The move (BTW) was done due to member complaints in the west section.

and the moderator staff appreciates that. There is currently not a moderator or admin that likes having to warn or even have to point the direction for more community oriented behavior. If everyone behaved such as you did in that thread, we could probably have 1/4 of the moderator staff that we have now.

Again the rules were very clear, no true nudity. No lips, no nips (and although unsaid, just to make it clear- also no winking buttholes). THe formal rule in both the TOS and forum FAQ states that if it is not something that you would see on [USA] network broadcast TV, it doesn't belong here.

But, how many reprimands should we do before a thread gets shut down? 2? 5? 10? 20? What is reasonable? I personally gave 5 in the thread that you are complaining about, and I know other several other moderators and admin that had similar numbers, again in both the west and lounge.

But no, we are not going to say, that with 10 warnings a thread will be shut down. Each thread needs to be weighed on its own, and what might get a thread shut down on 2 warnings, may in another thread go 15 warnings. The moderator and admin staff will use their best judgment on when a thread will get shut down.

So despite your insinuations of overzealous moderation (because a thread you liked and personally did not violate the rather free forum rules got shut down) we will not be changing the way this board is moderated or further defining such rules. Perhaps when our fellow members can follow the rules a similar thread will be open and running for a longer time.

iLikeEatPoo

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Reminded me of Zerox7 and this "tub girl ban"

FDSeoul

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Icemark--thank you for checking in.
I can already see that this is going to be an uphill battle trying to argue the importance of clarifying the point in which you have obviously boiled it down to “The types of thread subject which are of no interest to me shall not received fair play on the forum. (Generally speaking here I am not directing this to you on any personal level).
The case that I am in need of clarifying would be IS it Or is It not a permitted subject topic here in the RX7 forum.

Being a member of this community is a privilege and one should make an effort to behave in a civil manner. GREAT!!! My point of the argument still remains the same as stated in the above post.
If closing down a thread simply to avoid providing a solution to maintaining it open is the best solution you guys can offer in this case???? Is this case or is the simple fact that the thread subject topic was not mainstream or kosher enough for the community.


I don’t have the answer to this!!!! It just makes more sense that the MODS reprimand as necessary of the individuals who commit the violation regardless of the nature/topic of the thread. Instead, the actions taken by the MODS IMO totally overzealous in it’s nature and did not give fair treatment to the thread and recognized the legitimacy of this (fill in the) ____________ thread. I would hate to sit here and argue over the numerous none car-none-RX7-none-what the hell are you smoking you stupid *** kid, subject crap that is posted on our forum on a regular bases and the insurmountable account of material I encounter on a daily bases in the lounge in other sections of this community which I find personally offensive. HOWEVER this other crap is allowed and permitted(what am I to think) but posting NONE-car related picture of XYZ gets the boot. Incredible!!!!!.

Gentlemen my point is simple, if you choose to or don’t choose to re-open the XYZ thread. I really don’t care. Just don’t miss the big picture here. Practice what you preach. Allowing certain threads to carry on because you “the MODS” find it pleasing to you and choosing to close down others simply because it’s not your cup of tea shows your lack of imagination.

This community and many others like it operate on the simple fact that it takes a whole lots of different flavor to make it what is or what it has become.

BTW thanks for pointing out that there are many other sites to enjoy posting semi nude pictures on the I N T E R N E T.

cmanns

without reading everything.

I think the mods close the threads after they have to delete/edit X posts, sure they warn the guys, sure those guys may not f'up in the thread again but somebody else will and its pointless moderation. The guys could be banned but these kinds of threads invite idiots to post stuff they shouldn't.

Icemark

No Michael, you are seeing this incorrectly.

You are feeling that your thread was targeted unfairly, Correct??

Yet the thread was allowed to run for over 3 months. If it was targeted unfairly it would have been shut down in the first day. And while we do have some mods and admins that would not have these threads on the forum (as they don't see the point), but, it was still left open. This is not different than the countless Thong Thursday, ****'s Tuesday, and MILF Monday threads that have been on this fourm in the past. However the one difference this time was your thread was closed, but not moved to the hidden violations section of the board as is the normal practice. So in that regard yes your thread was treated different.

BUT REGARDLESS, Any thread that becomes a problem will be shut down. This includes technical threads that have been overrun with wrong answers or flame wars, or threads that over and over have violations of the forums policies.

Now when the thread gets shut down, is generally determined by a couple of things. The biggest is member reports/complaints, followed by TOS/FAQ rule violations and the moderator's best guess on what chance there is of saving the thread or will the same issues keep popping up. That is why when a thread is shut down, it is determined by the moderator staff on a case by case basis.

Now don't get me wrong, I like looking at scantly clad women just as much as the next guy, but when every mod for a section, every time he or she logs in, must look at a thread to see who violated what rule today, that becomes a problem thread and will be on the moderator's threads of attention list.

Now TheForumLounge was created when people here were complaining about the family friendly mores here (much like RCC was created by capitalizing on members and vendors here that were unhappy with IB's Classifieds rules on this board). I have not been to TheForumLounge, but understand they are more open with their restrictions in case you wanted such a thread there. In fact there was serious discussion at that time to get rid of the lounge and such threads all together here so that they could be there. While that (luckily) never happened, threads here must still follow the guidelines.

For each thread like this that someone starts complaining about how we shut some Thong Thursday thread, we get at least a couple PM's thanking us, for upholding what we say.

So in conclusion, no matter what minor insurrection you may try and stage your thread is not getting re-opened, and any thread that continually violates the rather liberal family friendly rules here, will also be shut down based on the moderator's best intentions for all members.

Icemark

You bring up a great additional point cmanns

Yep, we could have banned a bunch of people in the thread in question, but instead generally we removed the offending images and occasionally warned if the picture was clearly over the line.

Now if we banned ever single offender, how would that help the board??? All it would do is **** a bunch of members off.

JSmith0101

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Thank You.

FDSeoul

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Icemark----You are quite the politician, your response is still unclear in defining what is and what is not kosher here on the forum.

Do I feel like my thread was personally mistreated and not given fair play? Well the answer is YES!!!. You stated the following two points in your comments. Any thread which generates a continuing problem for the MODS and which ever thread violates the family friendly moral values shall not permitted.

However, the level of tolerance allowed and permitted on other subject topics is quite incredible in accordance to your regulation of the forum statement. Once again the question which come to mind is who’s family values has the thread in question offended? Or is it a case exercising their Power and showing lack of imagination.
I continue to question the validity of the amount of fair play given to the thread in question.

I am not in any means trying to dictate who and how members should be reprimanded for their lack in judgment when they post picture or comments which are in clear violating of the post regulation. I have personally read and followed the regulating of the forum but to no avail the thread which I have contributed to has been killed without a proper treatment.

I strongly believe that the MODS have to regulate the forums (thank god it’s not my job) but should not simply close down threads because they are problematic.

The point is not to have a post allowed in your words open for 3 months or any X amounts of months open so be happy and now go and play somewhere else. The importance is to clarify and allow any None-auto related subject topic to be in operating status in it’s proper forum section like the lounge section. Your explanation and attempts to belittle the value of my XYZ thread is a little bit offensive and taxing on my intelligence.

Obviously, this type of thread is not welcomed here while other threads where I have encountered numerous accounts of racial undertone comments directed toward a certain minority group or anti-homo comments continue to get a free pass.

In conclusion, to your final statement on “So in conclusion, no matter what minor insurrection you may try and stage your thread is not getting re-opened”
Please do not re-open it, save me the trouble of wasting my time trying to make sense of what flies and does not fly here in this forum.

Thanks you.
Michael

Icemark

I am sorry, I don't know how much clearer I can be. I thought I helped further define the forum TOS and FAQ rules that every member agrees too when they sign up and post here. And as one of the more outspoken admins, I often feel like a politician here, helping both the members and the staff for the betterment of the community. Maybe I should run for my local City Council???

And as other admins and moderators have said, and I re-touched upon here, we refuse to be pigeon holed to a flat, this is right, this is wrong label. It is unfair to the members and lets face it; the world is shades of grey and color, not only black and white. As far as family friendly values, again (as said probably a billion times), if it is something that you would not see on US network TV (such as CBS, ABC, and NBC) then it generally is not acceptable. So the United States of America's public morality defines what is family friendly. That is who's family values. Can this be more clear???

But there are minor variations to that...and we reserve the right to have them. As an example, Lets use an analogy that was told to me when I first became a moderator:

If you are traveling at 70 MPH in a 65 MPH zone, you are breaking the law. Now the law enforcement official may or may not enforce that 65 MPH limit, generally depending on what is good for the flow of traffic, if it is hurting the community, and how busy the law enforcement official is, or if the law enforcement official even agrees with the law.

But if you are traveling at 125 in that same 65 MPH zone, you are going to get busted. There the law enforcement official can not look away and say," hmm well he is isn't going to fast", because clearly you would be going to fast and not only endangering yourself but the community around you.

Threads here are generally moderated the same way (except classifieds, but that is a different issue- classifieds are more like an airport--- you do it this way or you don't do it at all).

Now if you were traveling at 75 every time you went past that cop, and he motioned to you to slow down, but didn't bust you, sooner or later he (or she) is going to pull you over and say "whats up, why are you breaking the law, do it again and you will get a ticket"

So after a while you get pulled over and still don't slow down, so you start amassing tickets. Finally the law enforcement official (and probably your state's DMV) figures that giving you tickets is just not getting it through your head that you are breaking the law, so he takes and impounds your car.

That thread was the same way (only that thread got a boot, instead of being locked away in an impound yard where you can't see it).

I am sorry that you are offended that I personally think that it is almost funny to be making such a deal about a thread of scantily clad women's pictures here, when there is so much **** and such pictures available in hundreds of thousands of sites across the web. I didn't know that your intelligence would be taxed on a explanation, but since you don't like the explanation I guess I can understand.

If you had read my earlier posts in this thread, you would see that reports by members is the biggest and best tool for eliminating what threads you feel is offensive. Feel free to report away. As covered earlier, with enough complaints, threads, subjects (and occasionally members) go away.

Again Michael, I think it is very very clear on what flys and doesn't fly. I am, sorry that you are having trouble comprehending. Hopefully this reply with its analogies will help, but again as said in this thread and by countless other admins and moderators, no one is going to sit down and say, "you can post pictures of women in bathing suits", and then have members complain that we shut down a thread because it is full of women in only the bottom half of a bathing suit. We (as members) wouldn't want the mod staff here to be locked into a canned response that hopefully covers each and every situation.

If we did, then it would be like that law enforcement official stopping and ticketing every single person that drove at 66 MPH or more.

FDSeoul

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Icemark-Thank you for your input and comments regarding this matter. I agree we do live in a gray world. It’s kind of ironic that you chose the analogy that you did. They recently started enforcing speed laws to a section of the highway in route to my work. It was simply a beautiful patch of road while it lasted. It’s a shame that a few rotten apples had to ruin a jewel of a thing. LOL
Thanks again Icemark have a great weekend.

Icemark

Ah bummer about the highway enforcing thing.

Now it used to be highway 52 (when I lived in SD) was considered the autobahn and was reasonably free of enforcement, but the last time I was in SD it was just crawling with CHiP and San Diego's finest.

I remember driving down it at 100-120 MPH in the Eighties, with no issues... but not the last time I was there... it was filled with minivans and pick up trucks and the CHip were sitting on the side of the road everywhere. Or racing across Villa de la valle in Delmar. Starting at the Mcdonalds in del mar and the first one to cross the overpass at 15 was the winner... back then there were no lights and no stop signs the whole way through... now there are probably 10 lights and stops.

Kinda sucked... kinda like having to shut down your thread... that kinda sucked too. Maybe a different thread title next time??? So it stays off the radar.