Fabrication Forum
If you want reason's take a look at honda-tech, god forbid. The welding/fabrication forum there is set up exactly the way it should be and it works out perfect. The reason it is different than the actual build threads is because in a build thread you focus one the building of the car itself, not the specific part.
It's going to offer the members of this forum a source of information where they can actually learn to fabricate specific parts for themselves so our community can grow as a whole. Imagine if you could go in a specific section and see Moconnor's intake manifold thread, Delslow's im thread and countless others from custom building exhausts to building fuel rails from extruded stock to a certified roll cage.
Or we could just stay a bunch of mindless parts buying drones with no actual knowledge as to what goes into the creation of our parts other than the sellers web address.
It's going to offer the members of this forum a source of information where they can actually learn to fabricate specific parts for themselves so our community can grow as a whole. Imagine if you could go in a specific section and see Moconnor's intake manifold thread, Delslow's im thread and countless others from custom building exhausts to building fuel rails from extruded stock to a certified roll cage.
Or we could just stay a bunch of mindless parts buying drones with no actual knowledge as to what goes into the creation of our parts other than the sellers web address.
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If you want reason's take a look at honda-tech, god forbid. The welding/fabrication forum there is set up exactly the way it should be and it works out perfect. The reason it is different than the actual build threads is because in a build thread you focus one the building of the car itself, not the specific part.
It's going to offer the members of this forum a source of information where they can actually learn to fabricate specific parts for themselves so our community can grow as a whole. Imagine if you could go in a specific section and see Moconnor's intake manifold thread, Delslow's im thread and countless others from custom building exhausts to building fuel rails from extruded stock to a certified roll cage.
Or we could just stay a bunch of mindless parts buying drones with no actual knowledge as to what goes into the creation of our parts other than the sellers web address.
It's going to offer the members of this forum a source of information where they can actually learn to fabricate specific parts for themselves so our community can grow as a whole. Imagine if you could go in a specific section and see Moconnor's intake manifold thread, Delslow's im thread and countless others from custom building exhausts to building fuel rails from extruded stock to a certified roll cage.
Or we could just stay a bunch of mindless parts buying drones with no actual knowledge as to what goes into the creation of our parts other than the sellers web address.
couldn't have said it better myself
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But you didn't... instead you took a condescending attitude and attacked a me while I had a solution that I was running by the other mods (and personally I have been fabbing parts for the RX-7 since before you were born).
So you hurt your case a lot more than helping it. Unlike Uncle Hungry who at least gave examples and reasons.
So you hurt your case a lot more than helping it. Unlike Uncle Hungry who at least gave examples and reasons.
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But you didn't... instead you took a condescending attitude and attacked a me while I had a solution that I was running by the other mods (and personally I have been fabbing parts for the RX-7 since before you were born).
So you hurt your case a lot more than helping it. Unlike Uncle Hungry who at least gave examples and reasons.
So you hurt your case a lot more than helping it. Unlike Uncle Hungry who at least gave examples and reasons.
I've gave plenty of reasons throughout this thread. My opinion, it was very "condescending" for you to say
And frankly I don't see the need for a welding section... lets face it welding is covered on a dozen different boards.
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So get off your high horse and justify the section. Uncle Henry has done a better job justifying it than you. Because from what I see from you, is someone that would like his own section so he can show off what he does.
I've gave plenty of reasons throughout this thread. My opinion, it was very "condescending" for you to say
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Anyone use a miller econotig? im looking for a tig setup and they can be found new though ebay dealers for around 1500 which is bout what im looking to spend
ive never tiged, only mig'd and sticked, alll self taught, i want it to do stainless and aluminium and well the welds seem so much nicer than migging when using clean new metal
ive never tiged, only mig'd and sticked, alll self taught, i want it to do stainless and aluminium and well the welds seem so much nicer than migging when using clean new metal
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Thats not the point.
I see you saying in this thread that it is too elitist for the section for a DIY for painting shift *****, but not too elitist to post how do I weld??? Pretty much the same level of simplicity in my book.
If this would be a true DIY or fab section, then it should take all types of DIY related to fabrication.
Right?
So if someone fabs up a nice paint booth, would that go? Just the same as someone that fabs up a new custom bumper or adjustable suspension bracket.
Before I give my undying approval, I want to know that it is more than just creating a sand box for you so you don't have to deal with the "how much horse power will I make with a downpipe" threads. There will be those type of threads no matter what section. I know there are a few like Uncle Henry, Aaron and DKJ that see the potential of a fabrication section, but in all honesty, there are some that see it taking away from the regular tech forums.
Now the option I have floated around to the other mods and had positive replies on, is that if it is created, that it goes under the Interior/Exterior/Audio section since 90% of the posts in there are already related to Fabricating parts and custom mounts or enclosures and the like. But I am sure DKJ can lend more to that direction.
I see you saying in this thread that it is too elitist for the section for a DIY for painting shift *****, but not too elitist to post how do I weld??? Pretty much the same level of simplicity in my book.
If this would be a true DIY or fab section, then it should take all types of DIY related to fabrication.
Right?
So if someone fabs up a nice paint booth, would that go? Just the same as someone that fabs up a new custom bumper or adjustable suspension bracket.
Before I give my undying approval, I want to know that it is more than just creating a sand box for you so you don't have to deal with the "how much horse power will I make with a downpipe" threads. There will be those type of threads no matter what section. I know there are a few like Uncle Henry, Aaron and DKJ that see the potential of a fabrication section, but in all honesty, there are some that see it taking away from the regular tech forums.
Now the option I have floated around to the other mods and had positive replies on, is that if it is created, that it goes under the Interior/Exterior/Audio section since 90% of the posts in there are already related to Fabricating parts and custom mounts or enclosures and the like. But I am sure DKJ can lend more to that direction.
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Thats not the point.
I see you saying in this thread that it is too elitist for the section for a DIY for painting shift *****, but not too elitist to post how do I weld??? Pretty much the same level of simplicity in my book.
If this would be a true DIY or fab section, then it should take all types of DIY related to fabrication.
Right?
So if someone fabs up a nice paint booth, would that go? Just the same as someone that fabs up a new custom bumper or adjustable suspension.
Before I give my undying approval, I want to know that it is more than just creating a sand box for you so you don't have to deal with the "how much horse power will I make with a downpipe" threads. I know there are a few like Uncle Henry, Arron and DKJ that see the potential of a fabrication section, but in all honesty, there are some that see it taking away from the regular tech forums.
Now the option I have floated around to the other mods and had positive replies on, is that if it is created, that it goes under the Interior/Exterior/Audio section since 90% of the posts in there are already related to Fabricating parts and custom mounts or enclosures and the like.
I see you saying in this thread that it is too elitist for the section for a DIY for painting shift *****, but not too elitist to post how do I weld??? Pretty much the same level of simplicity in my book.
If this would be a true DIY or fab section, then it should take all types of DIY related to fabrication.
Right?
So if someone fabs up a nice paint booth, would that go? Just the same as someone that fabs up a new custom bumper or adjustable suspension.
Before I give my undying approval, I want to know that it is more than just creating a sand box for you so you don't have to deal with the "how much horse power will I make with a downpipe" threads. I know there are a few like Uncle Henry, Arron and DKJ that see the potential of a fabrication section, but in all honesty, there are some that see it taking away from the regular tech forums.
Now the option I have floated around to the other mods and had positive replies on, is that if it is created, that it goes under the Interior/Exterior/Audio section since 90% of the posts in there are already related to Fabricating parts and custom mounts or enclosures and the like.
Was just curious as to what you've been fabbing/selling.
A welding technique thread is on the same level as a painting shift ***** thread? Comming now, lets be serious.
It should include all fabrication/DIY topics unless it's something silly. A DIY Paintbooth would be a great thread as I've built one with a few friends. That was a huge project
The following threads should NOT be allowed.
Fiberglass/Cage HOW TO:
http://www.jonhsu.com/delsol/fiberglass1.jpg
http://www.jonhsu.com/delsol/fiberglass2.jpg
Suspension HOW TO
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/g.../rolla7024.jpg
Exhaust HOW TO
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...n/100_1203.jpg
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j1...n/100_1202.jpg
Air to Water Intercooler HOW TO
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...ce1/gma069.jpg
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as an example I was fabbing up 4 point strut braces back in the early 80s for MA and RA Toyotas as well as FBs and FCs. Or more recent how about, FC cat back exhaust systems that actually did provide a power increase on a NA (unlike 90% of the cat backs out there-which are just Turbo exhausts and are too big and slow for a non turbo).
Actually I find laying down a perfect coat of paint slightly harder than say welding in a roll cage. Or welding a hunk of 22 awg pipe to another piece of 22 awg pipe.
Well I painted my 10th AE in a DIY paint booth.
Images removed so as not to take up space in my reply...
So is this now a DIY section? And if someone is making a mess of a car like that, if anything he needs to be in the fabrication section so you and the buddies in there can help him fix it.
Right???
Because I wouldn't have posted those weld pictures if I was you. See what the difference is? What I may think is everyday and simple someone else might think to be the pinnacle of their skills.
Part of fabrication is learning from your mistakes... if you are not allowing threads like the pictures you posted, then again no body is learning and instead you just have your own personal sandbox and that you are posting what you want to show off..
A welding technique thread is on the same level as a painting shift ***** thread? Comming now, lets be serious.
It should include all fabrication/DIY topics unless it's something silly. A DIY Paintbooth would be a great thread as I've built one with a few friends. That was a huge project
The following threads should NOT be allowed.
Fiberglass/Cage HOW TO:
[IMG][/IMG]
[IMG][/IMG]
Suspension HOW TO
[IMG][/IMG]
[IMG][/IMG]
[IMG][/IMG]
Air to Water Intercooler HOW TO
[IMG][/IMG]
Fiberglass/Cage HOW TO:
[IMG][/IMG]
[IMG][/IMG]
Suspension HOW TO
[IMG][/IMG]
[IMG][/IMG]
[IMG][/IMG]
Air to Water Intercooler HOW TO
[IMG][/IMG]
So is this now a DIY section? And if someone is making a mess of a car like that, if anything he needs to be in the fabrication section so you and the buddies in there can help him fix it.
Right???
Because I wouldn't have posted those weld pictures if I was you. See what the difference is? What I may think is everyday and simple someone else might think to be the pinnacle of their skills.
Part of fabrication is learning from your mistakes... if you are not allowing threads like the pictures you posted, then again no body is learning and instead you just have your own personal sandbox and that you are posting what you want to show off..
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Actually I find laying down a perfect coat of paint slightly harder than say welding in a roll cage. Or welding a hunk of 22 awg pipe to another piece of 22 awg pipe.
Well I painted my 10th AE in a DIY paint booth.
Images removed so as not to take up space in my reply...
So is this now a DIY section? And if someone is making a mess of a car like that, if anything he needs to be in the fabrication section so you and the buddies in there can help him fix it.
Right???
Because I wouldn't have posted those weld pictures if I was you. See what the difference is? What I may think is everyday and simple someone else might think to be the pinnacle of their skills.
Part of fabrication is learning from your mistakes... if you are not allowing threads like the pictures you posted, then again no body is learning and instead you just have your own personal sandbox and that you are posting what you want to show off..
Well I painted my 10th AE in a DIY paint booth.
Images removed so as not to take up space in my reply...
So is this now a DIY section? And if someone is making a mess of a car like that, if anything he needs to be in the fabrication section so you and the buddies in there can help him fix it.
Right???
Because I wouldn't have posted those weld pictures if I was you. See what the difference is? What I may think is everyday and simple someone else might think to be the pinnacle of their skills.
Part of fabrication is learning from your mistakes... if you are not allowing threads like the pictures you posted, then again no body is learning and instead you just have your own personal sandbox and that you are posting what you want to show off..
Why do you keep calling it my personal sand box? I have nothing to show, only things to learn.
You're seriously taking everything I say too serious. I posted those pictures more as a joke, something to grin at.
If someone posted that suspension pictures in a "This is how you setup a suspension". That thread should be deleted ASAP, cause it's gonna get somebody killed.
You're making more out of this then there is. It should be a place of questions, how to's and fab jobs.
Why do I feel like you're wanting a confrontation more than a conversation?
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Now i know Im new here and i probably wont have even the slightest sway in what is happening but I think what needs to happen is that the forum just needs to be created. Then we just need to give it some time to see what it evolves into, and who knows maybe it will be full of people making custom intake systems, or maybe it will be full of more intensive fabrications like welding you own roll cage, regardless i think that either would be extremely helpful to people, because not everyone has the impressive knowledge of fabricating as you do Icemark. I also think that it is important that no fabrication is unimportant, if someone stitched the RX7 logo into their floor mats, let them post pics and tell of the process, types of materials, how long it took, and whatever they feel would be helpful to others who are interested in doing the same. And if the forum does not go anywhere then no harm done and it can be taken off (considering that i have no idea how forums work, and how hard it is to add/remove things such as these).
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Why do you keep calling it my personal sand box? I have nothing to show, only things to learn.
You're seriously taking everything I say too serious. I posted those pictures more as a joke, something to grin at.
If someone posted that suspension pictures in a "This is how you setup a suspension". That thread should be deleted ASAP, cause it's gonna get somebody killed.
You're seriously taking everything I say too serious. I posted those pictures more as a joke, something to grin at.
If someone posted that suspension pictures in a "This is how you setup a suspension". That thread should be deleted ASAP, cause it's gonna get somebody killed.
Why do I feel like you're wanting a confrontation more than a conversation?
you posted:
and drifting isn't? How is drifting rotary specific? it takes no power and any drunk hillbilly could get behind the wheel and light the tires on fire
and
I kind of figured the "bolt on performance" mods would shoot this down
A alternative fuel forum was added, but no fabrication? weird
Where's the new forum at ?
Where's the new forum?
So, yes sand box is applicable.
So I am going home now, and talk with the other mods later and let them all weigh in on this new section. If you can't wait for that, then keep bumping and whining and see what you get.
Only bad things happen quickly.
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Actually, we were all having a pretty good discussion until you came in here.
For crying out loud, you sure do get your feelings hurt easily.
Dr Kill Joy posted on a thursday 07-03-08, said he was racing that weekend so we would have to wait until he got back for his repsonse. 6 days later and no response, I made a post on 07-09-08 asking "Where's the new forum at
" which was an attempt to possibly get his attention. I again made a attempt on the 10th saying "DrKillJoy, still racing ?". As you can see, I was really trying to **** people off.
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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT
A fab section would be a GREAT idea for people like us to bounce ideas off of each other. Things like what I'm doing. Building exhausts, VMIC's, intake piping, strut tower bars, lower arm bars, 2-stroke tanks, AST's, overflows, Puke tanks, mounting Motecs, modding steering wheels, roll bars, fiberglass door panels, etc etc etc etc. What would be a shame is if all the newbs got in there with thier $5 VMIC that look like a retarded monkey on speed built, or the, "yo - why spend $200 on a short throw when all you need is a hacksaw son?" threads, or the carboard cold air intakes. To combat that I think it should be a general fab section. How to build an exhaust or a mani or a strut tower bar is a topic that can carry across all gens and everyone can benefit from it. Then, you'll need a mod who isn't afraid to tell it like it is that can move those ridiculous threads to the gen specific sub-forums where they will be lost in all the traffic and not clutter up a slow moving section as I expect the fab section would be. Tell those guys to go here -
http://forum.teamfc3s.org./forumdisp...1d0faa f&f=53
that is what I would HOPE the section would turn out to be. There just isn't enough traffic and that VMIC is just ******* garbage. I would be embarrassed to post up pics if my work looked like that. Speaking of Fab, I'ma go do some.
http://forum.teamfc3s.org./forumdisp...1d0faa f&f=53
that is what I would HOPE the section would turn out to be. There just isn't enough traffic and that VMIC is just ******* garbage. I would be embarrassed to post up pics if my work looked like that. Speaking of Fab, I'ma go do some.
Why not just start it? If it doesn't work, you can close it just as quickly.
I know you want to play Devil's advocate, and shoot holes in everything, but I say give it a shot.
Come on. Come on....
I know you want to play Devil's advocate, and shoot holes in everything, but I say give it a shot.
Come on. Come on....
And I think some things that Viking posted should be put, but only good things. How to: fiberglass, suspension, exhaust, etc. Any intelligent person can tell good work from bad, and the bad stuff can be summarily removed.
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I just don't get how impatient so many of the people that post bitching about things not moving fast enough are. Do you guys just have no clue about the real world and how things work?
I sure appears that many don't.
Anyway, we are trying the fabrication section here: https://www.rx7club.com/fabrication-250/
but there will be multiple moderators, and flaming or insulting will not be tolerated in that new section.
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