Boycott list until the kills section is brought back
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From: Greenwood/Hartsville, SC.
There is a ton of difference between a murderer who talks about the murders he has done and the media talking about the murders he's done. Are you that ignorant to see that? Talking about a crime you have done makes you guilty without being caught. It is admitting guilt. Someone else talking about the crime you've done is just words..
50+mpg, woo!
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From: Greenwood/Hartsville, SC.
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From: St. Louis/Southern Illinois
I brought it up. The moderators agreed it should be changed/deleted. This has NOTHING to do with IB. IB trusts us to run the forum properly and trusts us to change things around.
Terrified.
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From: Muncie, IN
That goes without saying that it doesn't make it right/wrong/indifferent if you are not caught - it just means you didn't get caught and thus no punishment.
Wow, I am really tired. It shows by me repeating myself without even a pause in between doing so. I'm not editing that out for the sake of it being amusing to me.
Guilt is a matter of whose perspective you use, but the best understanding can be had by using the highest authority's perspective. From the law's perspective, you are guilty if you break the law. Yet you are only punished if proven guilty in a court of law. Guilt doesn't imply punishment by law enforcement and the courts, it simply permits it. Of course, when crimes are so vaguely defined and enforced subjectively it quickly becomes bullshit anyway.
Terrified.
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From: Muncie, IN
But if you aren't caught doing something illegal, that guilt is being put solely on yourself, and can you honestly tell me you feel guilty for street racing if you aren't caught in the act? The thing about being guilty is that only the highest authority at the scene of the crime has the right to charge someone of a crime. That is why law enforcement is such a joke. You can't catch everyone so laws are flexible.
I think that there should be a lot of laws taken away, though. There are tons of bullshit laws kept in place just to bring in revenue.
I think that there should be a lot of laws taken away, though. There are tons of bullshit laws kept in place just to bring in revenue.
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From: New Zealand
I am not happy with this **** either, Hell I posted a perfectly legit track race that actually happened to me some years ago and this muppet went and closed it.
Im sorry but Rotareh, you really need to get a clue in life, get control of your own life instead of trying to control others and pull that gigantic damn tree trunk out of your ***!!!
I do not fully condone street racing either, esp NOT in populated areas with people walking around and or busy roads etc. That **** is just totally stupid.
However, I enjoy the kills section myself mainly for the funny stories and how they are told. I couldnt give a **** if they won or not but it was amusement none the less. Now it seems that even though it is titled legally blah blah blah you cant even post something without it being closed, even if it is legit race.
So dont go and boycott the vendors, start pissing off the select few mods who have decided to get all PC on everyone. I have seen FAR FAR worse things in the lounge section but I reckon that will prob be on the mods next "kill list" anyway.
So go on guys just keep on driving that nail into the coffin..............
Im sorry but Rotareh, you really need to get a clue in life, get control of your own life instead of trying to control others and pull that gigantic damn tree trunk out of your ***!!!
I do not fully condone street racing either, esp NOT in populated areas with people walking around and or busy roads etc. That **** is just totally stupid.
However, I enjoy the kills section myself mainly for the funny stories and how they are told. I couldnt give a **** if they won or not but it was amusement none the less. Now it seems that even though it is titled legally blah blah blah you cant even post something without it being closed, even if it is legit race.
So dont go and boycott the vendors, start pissing off the select few mods who have decided to get all PC on everyone. I have seen FAR FAR worse things in the lounge section but I reckon that will prob be on the mods next "kill list" anyway.
So go on guys just keep on driving that nail into the coffin..............
But if you aren't caught doing something illegal, that guilt is being put solely on yourself, and can you honestly tell me you feel guilty for street racing if you aren't caught in the act? The thing about being guilty is that only the highest authority at the scene of the crime has the right to charge someone of a crime. That is why law enforcement is such a joke. You can't catch everyone so laws are flexible.
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From: texas
PLEASE tell me you arent serious with this crap...
Let's roll this one, as you posted it...
Tell me, how many people were killed in the US last year as a direct result of someone removing the catalytic converter from their car's exhaust? Any idea?
ZERO....NONE.....NOT ONE.
Now, how many people were killed as a direct result of illegal street racing last year??
Your argument is like comparing jaywalking to murder, and saying that they should be treated the same. Bullshit.....
Let's also remember something else--all these other illegal things you mentioned--how do you think that the car you just described--no cats, modified seatbelts and exterior lights, etc etc--how exactly do you think that car is likely to end up in the crash you mentioned?? WOW--probably by ILLEGAL STREET RACING!! Thats because half of the people who mod these cars are TFATF inspired idiots who dont know how to drive and cannot handle the power of a modified car. SO....they modify the car, they now think it's a race car or something, then go out on the street thinking they are Billy BigNuts....and want to race everything in sight when the light turns!
OR---you could be smart and take it to a friggin track like youre supposed to. Let's start with a little common sense here, please--a car is a projectile. It is a potential killing tool even at normal road speeds. And then, when youre doing 90 in a 35 mph zone, and you wreck into the old lady who just bought bread at the store, youre the dumbass. Youre the dumbass because your illegal street racing just killed someone, NOT because you took the damn cat off the car.
EDIT--finally, this is a point that someone needs to clue you in on. Let's say youre street racing and you kill two people. Prosecutors want to charge you with the crime of manslaughter. Serious deal....could put you in jail for years. I dont suppose you ever gave any thought to the fact that it is relatively easy today to follow the e-trail to see where you've been online? What you have posted on message boards and forums? If you just killed two people, and you have a history of posting all about your previous street racing activities online, when the prosecution finds it they will hang you by your nuts on your own words. These days the internet is being used against people who are ignorant enough to post whatever they like online, like they have some sort of anonymity in the process. All it would take is a court order delivered to the owner of this forum, and the IP info for the posts made under your screen name would be in their hands. So, let's not be stupid--take this crap elsewhere already. There is a time and a place for everything and on a public road, that isnt the place for racing cars.
Go look at the whole thing with Hulk Hogan's son--the family made comments on a video a long time back about how they love street racing, and then Nick drives like a douche bag and makes his friend a vegetable. Those comments have already come back to bite them in the ***.
Let's roll this one, as you posted it...
Tell me, how many people were killed in the US last year as a direct result of someone removing the catalytic converter from their car's exhaust? Any idea?
ZERO....NONE.....NOT ONE.
Now, how many people were killed as a direct result of illegal street racing last year??
Your argument is like comparing jaywalking to murder, and saying that they should be treated the same. Bullshit.....
Let's also remember something else--all these other illegal things you mentioned--how do you think that the car you just described--no cats, modified seatbelts and exterior lights, etc etc--how exactly do you think that car is likely to end up in the crash you mentioned?? WOW--probably by ILLEGAL STREET RACING!! Thats because half of the people who mod these cars are TFATF inspired idiots who dont know how to drive and cannot handle the power of a modified car. SO....they modify the car, they now think it's a race car or something, then go out on the street thinking they are Billy BigNuts....and want to race everything in sight when the light turns!
OR---you could be smart and take it to a friggin track like youre supposed to. Let's start with a little common sense here, please--a car is a projectile. It is a potential killing tool even at normal road speeds. And then, when youre doing 90 in a 35 mph zone, and you wreck into the old lady who just bought bread at the store, youre the dumbass. Youre the dumbass because your illegal street racing just killed someone, NOT because you took the damn cat off the car.
EDIT--finally, this is a point that someone needs to clue you in on. Let's say youre street racing and you kill two people. Prosecutors want to charge you with the crime of manslaughter. Serious deal....could put you in jail for years. I dont suppose you ever gave any thought to the fact that it is relatively easy today to follow the e-trail to see where you've been online? What you have posted on message boards and forums? If you just killed two people, and you have a history of posting all about your previous street racing activities online, when the prosecution finds it they will hang you by your nuts on your own words. These days the internet is being used against people who are ignorant enough to post whatever they like online, like they have some sort of anonymity in the process. All it would take is a court order delivered to the owner of this forum, and the IP info for the posts made under your screen name would be in their hands. So, let's not be stupid--take this crap elsewhere already. There is a time and a place for everything and on a public road, that isnt the place for racing cars.
Go look at the whole thing with Hulk Hogan's son--the family made comments on a video a long time back about how they love street racing, and then Nick drives like a douche bag and makes his friend a vegetable. Those comments have already come back to bite them in the ***.
also nick hogan never knew how to drive...he tried to drift in a viper for his first time which is a HUGE mistake. he wrecked that car badly and it wasnt even his. then he went off and fucked up his friend permanently in that deathtrap of a supra he had. so +1
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prolly the only good thing you have done since you became MOD, other than that, you suck at your job
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From: Greenwood/Hartsville, SC.
I don't think it was a smart move actually, there are even members from the RX8Club that come over here just for the kills section. That being the case, good things that Rowtareh has done = 0.
Terrified.
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From: Muncie, IN
I'm not talking about guilt of conscience, I'm talking about being guilty of doing something illegal. The law is not flexible, what is flexible is the interpretation and enforcement of it. If you do 40 in a 35 zone, you are guilty of breaking the law. That doesn't necessarily mean you feel guilt for it, nor does it mean you would definitely be convicted of speeding. I'm talking about guilt as a matter of fact, not of conscience or judicial rulings.
In the case of someone speeding, if no one is there to prove it happened, you are innocent, and being innocent means to be found not guilty. That is how law works. You may commit a crime, but you are not guilty of committing the crime until you are caught.
The word guilty comes from the word guilt, and due to that fact someone or something has to make you feel guilt for the crime committed to become guilty. If you, nor anyone else is going to punish you for a crime, then you aren't guilty.
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From: Rohnert Park CA
Thread closed, as there is already a thread on this subject.
And due to the continued postings of threads like this, and multiple threads, the Kills/LSR section has been made invisible until a decision can be made.
If you want your kill section back, multiple threads on it will only **** off the mods and admins even further.
I come back from this weekend to find how many new threads on this after we already had two that were getting the situation resolved.
Frankly, the actions with these threads are doing the opposite now... instead of me thinking we need to bring the section back, I am now beginning to thinking we need to remove it altogether because the way a few members are posting tells me that they are too immature to even have adult postings in one section on this.
And due to the continued postings of threads like this, and multiple threads, the Kills/LSR section has been made invisible until a decision can be made.
If you want your kill section back, multiple threads on it will only **** off the mods and admins even further.
I come back from this weekend to find how many new threads on this after we already had two that were getting the situation resolved.
Frankly, the actions with these threads are doing the opposite now... instead of me thinking we need to bring the section back, I am now beginning to thinking we need to remove it altogether because the way a few members are posting tells me that they are too immature to even have adult postings in one section on this.
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From: Rohnert Park CA
Thread closed.
I have reopened the Kills section with a disclaimer after discussing this with the other mod and admin staff
We have also added a Dyno and Time sheet subsection to the kill section so that real references can be posted.
But the actions of a few members over the weekend, have sure left me questioning if this is the correct thing to do with the section.
I have reopened the Kills section with a disclaimer after discussing this with the other mod and admin staff
We have also added a Dyno and Time sheet subsection to the kill section so that real references can be posted.
But the actions of a few members over the weekend, have sure left me questioning if this is the correct thing to do with the section.
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