FD Listed Among "10 Future Classics to Buy Right Now"
FD Listed Among "10 Future Classics to Buy Right Now"
Glad to see others are appreciating the overall value you get with an FD...one of the greatest performance platforms/dollar spent IMO: 10 Future Classics to Buy Right Now
It's also included on another list: 8 Awesome Discontinued Cars That We Want Back
Enjoy
It's also included on another list: 8 Awesome Discontinued Cars That We Want Back
Enjoy
At least they didn't butcher the description like they did on the NSX...
"When the NSX appeared on U.S. shores in 1991 with a mid-mounted 3.0-liter twin-turbo V6 pumping out 270 horsepower"
"When the NSX appeared on U.S. shores in 1991 with a mid-mounted 3.0-liter twin-turbo V6 pumping out 270 horsepower"
FD Listed Among "10 Future Classics to Buy Right Now"
Thank god I bought a GTU instead of the corrado next to it in Gunther VWMazdas used car lot in 1992
If I bought that corrado I wouldn't be here right now and probably own some slammed Jetta with a check engine light on
If I bought that corrado I wouldn't be here right now and probably own some slammed Jetta with a check engine light on
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The new miata should have been the new improved S2k
Mazda again blew it. You can't keep making the exact same car for 25 years and expect a different result. F?????cking idiots.
Next up a retro RX7 like the original FB maybe that can replace both the FD and the S2k. A 2500 pound car with 300 HP would sell like hot cakes.
Mazda again blew it. You can't keep making the exact same car for 25 years and expect a different result. F?????cking idiots.
Next up a retro RX7 like the original FB maybe that can replace both the FD and the S2k. A 2500 pound car with 300 HP would sell like hot cakes.
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My top 10:
FD
S2k
e30 m3
911 air cooled/small/light 930,964,993
Supra
260z
NSX
300zx
sti/evo
acura integra
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FD Listed Among "10 Future Classics to Buy Right Now"
You know what's funny all these cars from the late 80s and 90s were great cars. They're not around anymore
Manufacturers would rather stick with making SUVs and CUVs. Look at Lexus, they regretted making the RC-F Bc their dealers were demanding more SUVs. These one off sports cars don't cut it anymore not when a Toyota dealer can sell 30 plus camrys in one day. I'm surprised they even considered making the FT86. There is no business case for any manufacturer to put out a $20-30k small coupe/2seater these days. Every manufacturer is trying to aim for that six/seven figure mark
Manufacturers would rather stick with making SUVs and CUVs. Look at Lexus, they regretted making the RC-F Bc their dealers were demanding more SUVs. These one off sports cars don't cut it anymore not when a Toyota dealer can sell 30 plus camrys in one day. I'm surprised they even considered making the FT86. There is no business case for any manufacturer to put out a $20-30k small coupe/2seater these days. Every manufacturer is trying to aim for that six/seven figure mark
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OH yeah you're right it's very popular sports car LOL
It will also likely be voted top 10 car again. Not sure how they keep pulling that off.
I think they sold what like 75k NCs over 10 years.
Ford likely sold 100k mustangs this year.
It will also likely be voted top 10 car again. Not sure how they keep pulling that off.
I think they sold what like 75k NCs over 10 years.
Ford likely sold 100k mustangs this year.
Mustang because 'merica!
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The mustang like the corvette has come a long long way and there are way more enthusiast driving them than miatas.
I rarely see miatas at the track but there are mustangs all over the place. Edit before someones slams me with the whole more mazda's raced..... Yep there are lots of miata race cars at a NASA event
The new GT 350R is on my radar. Looks like a exceptional value all things considered and with a V8 revving past 8k RPMs is going to sound pretty damn cool as well.
I don't see MOST car enthusiast giving the new miata a 1st look much less a second.
Again it's just like the 1st gen only weird looking with more nonsense that most ENTHUSIASTS don't want.
I'd buy a used S2k etc.... long before the new miata.
The 1st gen has sold more than the last 2 and there's a good reason for that because with out change any model car will die on the vine. The miata is dead on the vine until they decide to improve it A LOT!
The 2015 mustang is set to set a new record for mustang sales because it's a badass ****!
AGAIN, If Mazda is interested in selling sports cars they have to make improvements not build the same damn car over and over.
Why am I so passionate about the miata's fail is because I want it to succeed to leverage the production of another RX7. As it is it's a FAIL and there won't be another RX7. AGAIN IDIOTS!!!!
The market is there for a light weight cheap fun sports car and the miata isn't it. Today ENTHUSIAST expect a hell of lot more from a car than the current miata is providing.
I rarely see miatas at the track but there are mustangs all over the place. Edit before someones slams me with the whole more mazda's raced..... Yep there are lots of miata race cars at a NASA event
The new GT 350R is on my radar. Looks like a exceptional value all things considered and with a V8 revving past 8k RPMs is going to sound pretty damn cool as well.
I don't see MOST car enthusiast giving the new miata a 1st look much less a second.
Again it's just like the 1st gen only weird looking with more nonsense that most ENTHUSIASTS don't want.
I'd buy a used S2k etc.... long before the new miata.
The 1st gen has sold more than the last 2 and there's a good reason for that because with out change any model car will die on the vine. The miata is dead on the vine until they decide to improve it A LOT!
The 2015 mustang is set to set a new record for mustang sales because it's a badass ****!
AGAIN, If Mazda is interested in selling sports cars they have to make improvements not build the same damn car over and over.
Why am I so passionate about the miata's fail is because I want it to succeed to leverage the production of another RX7. As it is it's a FAIL and there won't be another RX7. AGAIN IDIOTS!!!!
The market is there for a light weight cheap fun sports car and the miata isn't it. Today ENTHUSIAST expect a hell of lot more from a car than the current miata is providing.
I don't think that's entirely right. The new Mustang anyway should attract motorheads. The 5 liter motor makes 435 hp. It now has good independent rear suspension and seems to handle well. I simply can't get over the weight at 3500+ pounds. But not a bad car at all it seems in current incarnation.
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Unrelated side note: I stole your signature format. It seems to work well for those of us with more toys than we should admit we have
Love your bike collection, though 
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Oh I definitely see your point (and agree), but as far as numbers are concerned, the V6 Mustang has eclipsed the GTs for years. I typically see these driven by females, teens, and people who want a "Mustang" without having a Mustang. If I didn't have so many other toys, I'd probably DD a new GT for sure.
Unrelated side note: I stole your signature format. It seems to work well for those of us with more toys than we should admit we have Love your bike collection, though
Unrelated side note: I stole your signature format. It seems to work well for those of us with more toys than we should admit we have
Love your bike collection, though 
Many more GT mustangs sell than miata's
Admit it. The current miata is a joke.
I have yet to drive the new Miata, but my brother has a tastefully modified NA Miata. He just drove the '16 Miata this past weekend and was not impressed. He said it was completely lifeless in comparison to the NA. I asked him if he was actually surprised
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There's a reason I bought an AP2 S2000
I have yet to drive the new Miata, but my brother has a tastefully modified NA Miata. He just drove the '16 Miata this past weekend and was not impressed. He said it was completely lifeless in comparison to the NA. I asked him if he was actually surprised
I have yet to drive the new Miata, but my brother has a tastefully modified NA Miata. He just drove the '16 Miata this past weekend and was not impressed. He said it was completely lifeless in comparison to the NA. I asked him if he was actually surprised
Agree 1000%
The only miata worth owning is the NA. With a hard top and some mods it's also super cool and still competitive at your local autox.
What flips my wig is all the car mags will praise the sh#t out of the this new miata. UNBELIEVABLE. I don't even need to drive it. I can go to the local go cart track and have more fun.
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Ford sells a **** ton of Mustangs to places like Hertz and Avis. You can't rent a Mazda or I bet those numbers would be at least a little different.
Go to any tourist trap town and watch the endless brand new convertible Mustangs go by with their weird headlights and lost drivers.
Go to any tourist trap town and watch the endless brand new convertible Mustangs go by with their weird headlights and lost drivers.
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Mazda again blew it. You can't keep making the exact same car for 25 years and expect a different result.
I work at a Ford dealership and we sell the new 5.0s like crazy! The whole car is just nice. From the interior to the independent suspension. Ill let yall know how the new gt350r drives after I go drive it
I totally agree. There is something wrong with anyone who is not floored by the GT Mustang's motor. Seriously, 8,000 rpm in a Ford V8.
I hear you on the Mustang thing. My neighbor bought a new 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible and I bought my Shelby in 1966. She wanted to look cool in the parking lot and I wanted to go as fast as was possible. (Check out my newest bike in my sig...)
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I hear you on the Mustang thing. My neighbor bought a new 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible and I bought my Shelby in 1966. She wanted to look cool in the parking lot and I wanted to go as fast as was possible. (Check out my newest bike in my sig...)
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Why would Mazda want a different result? They have sold over 900,000 Miatas. The ND is in some ways a throwback to the NA (one of which, a 1990 model, I owned for over 18 years). The 2.0 liter car weighs 2330 lbs. HP is unremarkable, but the new drivers of this car seem very happy with it. If I had a three-car garage I would buy the Sport (base car) when it shows up here. If wife ever sells her FD, guess what will replace it?
With that said most enthusiast or sports car buyers do not prefer the miata or it would sell 30 or 40k units plus a year like it did in 1990/91
In other words the people that want a 2300 pound car making 140 HP already own it.
The rest of us have moved on from 1990 car performance with the exception of those 10k people that might buy the all new miata because they along the mag editors can't get enough of the wonderful Miata even though it hasn't changed in 25 years.
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The original Miata was a reasonably good, sanitized Lotus Elan. It even looks like an Elan. Its simple and light and a 4 banger. It doesn't handle as well as any Elan, but otherwise very similar, since they unashamedly copied it. Thing is that an Elan weighs 1500 pounds versus the initial Miata's weight of 2100 pounds. Chapman had it right. The problem is the crap the government makes them add to a car. There must be a way to get back to these lightweight cars. Anyone who has ever driven early sports cars from the 60's knows how fun they are because they are so elemental. They are so light. Tiny. Think about how big the Mustang is at 3500 pounds+. The original Mustang weighed 2500 pounds and was substantially smaller physically than the new Mustangs. Weight and size are the problem with all the Federal legislation.
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No doubt fed regs make it difficult to make a light weight car but a mustang that weighs 3500 pounds and has 500 HP isn't really that heavy all things considered. Also more and more aluminum and other materials are used which also offsets that fed thing. The way both ford and chevy are paying attention to the enthusiast market is cool. I just wish Mazda would get on board.
Even the P1 is 3000 pounds
HP adds weight; Eng/trans/diff, chassis/braces, wheels/brakes etc....