Wtf Gas Prices
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Looks like this is the end of rotary powered cars and rotary engine development. I don't see how it will be physically possible to make the rotary engine anymore efficient than the rx8. Perhaps direct injection may help. But the thermodynamics don't lie. Enjoy the rotary while you can.
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Originally Posted by soloracer951
I posted this in another thread but it's probably true here too:
* Rant On * I just wish people would stop whining and crying about the price of gas. Just pay the bill and shut up. If you can't afford the gas don't drive. It seems like just because it's oil and gas everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Do any of you know that the price of steel has doubled in the last six months? What do you think that does to the price of things you buy? Why don't you go out and say "stop buying steel products"? People will pay $10 for a pack of smokes and $20 for a case of beer but complain about the price of gas. All this whining and crying about "cutting the taxes" or "make the oil companies pay" is pointless. If you don't like what it costs you should use less. Sometimes I think we're (Canada) the biggest bunch of cry babies who want the government to solve all of our problems. *Rant Off*
* Rant On * I just wish people would stop whining and crying about the price of gas. Just pay the bill and shut up. If you can't afford the gas don't drive. It seems like just because it's oil and gas everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Do any of you know that the price of steel has doubled in the last six months? What do you think that does to the price of things you buy? Why don't you go out and say "stop buying steel products"? People will pay $10 for a pack of smokes and $20 for a case of beer but complain about the price of gas. All this whining and crying about "cutting the taxes" or "make the oil companies pay" is pointless. If you don't like what it costs you should use less. Sometimes I think we're (Canada) the biggest bunch of cry babies who want the government to solve all of our problems. *Rant Off*
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Originally Posted by Cheers!
Looks like this is the end of rotary powered cars and rotary engine development. I don't see how it will be physically possible to make the rotary engine anymore efficient than the rx8. Perhaps direct injection may help. But the thermodynamics don't lie. Enjoy the rotary while you can.
But I think many who went in debt for the larger SUVs (which they couldn't really afford in the first place)--- to make people they don't like jealous--- will now want to trade in for something smaller or deisel-powered, even if they're upside-down on their payments. Too bad, so sad...
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Originally Posted by shaunwil
maybe you should try us over the pond in the uk, we are at 1.85dollars per litre. And it just keeps rising 
Thats only for 95 octane, not the 98 stuff !
Shaun
Thats only for 95 octane, not the 98 stuff !Shaun
And since you've had them for over 8 years, just how reliable are the Smart cars? They've only just been introduced on this side of the pond and it's too early to tell if they're a keeper or a lemon. But everyone who's driven them claim that in spite of their glacial acceleration they're a blast to drive.
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Originally Posted by Maxthe7man
Beer, steel, and smokes isnt a daily neccesity that we have to buy to get to work, if you need to buy beer, steel and smokes dailly to go to work, your problems and perversions are beyond the scope of this thread....
The reason I brought up steel prices is that in the drilling industry steel costs are are a big component. As are labour costs which are going up as well. Both of these things are in short supply but if anyone here was to hear an oil co or drilling co come out and say "Wages are too high, steel is too high, etc. Wah, wah, wah" you would all be calling them a bunch of hippocrits and cry babies. When the "elite" were making millions in the tech sector and the prices for software and programming services were going through the roof I don't recall there being a lot of whining about the cost of their services. The tech sector got a "correction" and I believe the oil patch will get the same correction eventually. How many of you will be crying the blues for the oil company/oil patch if the price of oil dropped below $10 a barrel and the price of gas dropped to 0.30 per litre? None I bet. You'll happily go and fill up your car and brag about how little it cost and think that if the oil co can't make it work at those prices they had better get into a different line of work. Now that is hippocracy.
Max in a job like yours where fuel is part of your work (same as mine) you end up having to pass it on to the customer. If you aren't willing to do that then you shouldn't be complaining about the cost of fuel. It's a sales and marketing problem - not an operational one.
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Originally Posted by charr33
Rant about your rant
You're forgetting that "we" are not just upset about the fact that our "toy rx-7" is now more expensive to run, but that some people have to drive long distances to and from work.
If you are a single parent living in Newmarket and drive to Toronto everyday, then this is a huge deal for you. Perhaps if the price had risen steadily over the last few years to allow people to adapt it wouldn't be so bad, but this sharp increase has put a lot of people in very precarious positions.
Then they are going to have to find a way to deal with it. If that means car pooling or taking another means of transportation so be it. If none of this is an option then perhaps a change in work (location, type, etc.) is what is needed. Is it nice? No. But it's reality and whining and crying for the gov't to solve the problem for you is not the way to deal with it.
People cannot simply decide to use less of a commodity on a whim. They use what they use because they have to. Perhaps we should breath less too, in order to lower the amount of carbon dioxide we put into the atmosphere.
Sure they can. Last time I looked gasoline was not required to live. Billions of people survive with little to no gasoline use (asia, africa, etc.) I don't think that equating fossil fuel use to breathing air is an apple:apple comparison. More like apples and oranges. A better comparison might be comparing power usage to gasoline usage. Price of electricity goes up and people get more efficient appliances, get rid of excess consumption and find ways to work with it.
And as for steel, I think the obvious difference can be found in the point you yourself just made. People don't know about the price of steel, so of course they aren't going to rant about it. Gas is something most people buy on a regular basis and the price is displayed right up front when you buy it. How can you compare the two?
Exactly. Maybe they shouldn't post the gas prices and instead just take it out of your wallet without you knowing. After all ignorance is bliss. Would that be better for you? Does hiding it make it better somehow or more "right"? So now that you have been informed about the ludicrious price of steel are you going to go protest the government and say they should tax that industry more to put the money back in our pockets? I'm in the west and all the steel factories are out east and I don't know anyone working in the steel industry so that sounds like a great idea to me. *not* If you don't think steel prices affect you think again. Just ask anyone in the trades what has happened to the price of the parts and pieces they have to buy to do their work. So how much do you want to bet that you won't sqwak one little bit over the price of steel?
Natural inflation people can deal with. A lot people work at jobs which offer cost of living increases on an annual basis to offset this, but large spikes in any market will spark an outcry. If diapers doubled in price tomorrow, don't you think mothers across the nation would rise up and speak out against it?
Nope. If the price of diapers doubled tomorrow the whiners would whine about it and the do'ers would do something about it like go to cloth diapers or maybe make their own. Heck, if the price of diapers was high enough there might even be a whole new spin off industry created which would create new jobs and new opportunities for people. The alternative fuel industry NEEDS high commodity prices so that their alternatives make sense. So are you saying you don't want alternative energy sources to exist? Oh, no you are saying that you'll only support what is cheap and now that it's not cheap any more you are crying the blues. Anybody who didn't think that oil supplies would eventually get tight and that the prices would go up must have rocks in their heads. It is a "non renewable" resource after all. What did people think was going to happen when the supply could no longer keep up with the demand?
Regardless of whether voicing ones opinion can actually change the situation, it is human nature to want to feel like you are trying to make a difference, instead of rolling over and dying.
Sure, and with logic like that the germans would be ruling the world right now. All the whining and crying about how unfair it was for Germany to start rolling through Europe with their armies would have done nothing to stop it. People had to SUCK IT UP and do something about it. If people aren't willing to change their habits/lifestyle and yet continue to whine about how much something costs why should anyone listen? Do you see what I'm getting at?
I for one will continue to purchase gas because thats what makes my car move, but I don't have to be happy about the price I am paying for it. If the governement all of a sudden put a "rice tax" on modded vehicles, tripling the cost of performance parts, I would stop modding my car. But that is a choice I can make. Buying gas to power my vehicle, which is necessary for me to function is not my choice. (Or at least, it is not much of one).
No but you don't have the choice to change your mode of transportation. Get a more fuel efficient vehicle. Go to work with a friend, etc. Those are also choices that you can make. If you are unwilling to make those choices then who is to blame?
You can say you are sick and tired of people whining about the price of gas. Did you ever think that maybe people are tired of people telling them to "suck it up"?
Why do you suppose people are telling others to "suck it up"? Could it be because they are fed up with the whining? Sort of like how a 2 year old whines and crys about how unfair it is that they can't go to McDonalds for lunch and get told "that's life, deal with it". Which do you think comes first? The whining or the being told to "suck it up"?
Rant about your rant concluded.
*note - not a flame, just a counter-point*
You're forgetting that "we" are not just upset about the fact that our "toy rx-7" is now more expensive to run, but that some people have to drive long distances to and from work.
If you are a single parent living in Newmarket and drive to Toronto everyday, then this is a huge deal for you. Perhaps if the price had risen steadily over the last few years to allow people to adapt it wouldn't be so bad, but this sharp increase has put a lot of people in very precarious positions.
Then they are going to have to find a way to deal with it. If that means car pooling or taking another means of transportation so be it. If none of this is an option then perhaps a change in work (location, type, etc.) is what is needed. Is it nice? No. But it's reality and whining and crying for the gov't to solve the problem for you is not the way to deal with it.
People cannot simply decide to use less of a commodity on a whim. They use what they use because they have to. Perhaps we should breath less too, in order to lower the amount of carbon dioxide we put into the atmosphere.
Sure they can. Last time I looked gasoline was not required to live. Billions of people survive with little to no gasoline use (asia, africa, etc.) I don't think that equating fossil fuel use to breathing air is an apple:apple comparison. More like apples and oranges. A better comparison might be comparing power usage to gasoline usage. Price of electricity goes up and people get more efficient appliances, get rid of excess consumption and find ways to work with it.
And as for steel, I think the obvious difference can be found in the point you yourself just made. People don't know about the price of steel, so of course they aren't going to rant about it. Gas is something most people buy on a regular basis and the price is displayed right up front when you buy it. How can you compare the two?
Exactly. Maybe they shouldn't post the gas prices and instead just take it out of your wallet without you knowing. After all ignorance is bliss. Would that be better for you? Does hiding it make it better somehow or more "right"? So now that you have been informed about the ludicrious price of steel are you going to go protest the government and say they should tax that industry more to put the money back in our pockets? I'm in the west and all the steel factories are out east and I don't know anyone working in the steel industry so that sounds like a great idea to me. *not* If you don't think steel prices affect you think again. Just ask anyone in the trades what has happened to the price of the parts and pieces they have to buy to do their work. So how much do you want to bet that you won't sqwak one little bit over the price of steel?
Natural inflation people can deal with. A lot people work at jobs which offer cost of living increases on an annual basis to offset this, but large spikes in any market will spark an outcry. If diapers doubled in price tomorrow, don't you think mothers across the nation would rise up and speak out against it?
Nope. If the price of diapers doubled tomorrow the whiners would whine about it and the do'ers would do something about it like go to cloth diapers or maybe make their own. Heck, if the price of diapers was high enough there might even be a whole new spin off industry created which would create new jobs and new opportunities for people. The alternative fuel industry NEEDS high commodity prices so that their alternatives make sense. So are you saying you don't want alternative energy sources to exist? Oh, no you are saying that you'll only support what is cheap and now that it's not cheap any more you are crying the blues. Anybody who didn't think that oil supplies would eventually get tight and that the prices would go up must have rocks in their heads. It is a "non renewable" resource after all. What did people think was going to happen when the supply could no longer keep up with the demand?
Regardless of whether voicing ones opinion can actually change the situation, it is human nature to want to feel like you are trying to make a difference, instead of rolling over and dying.
Sure, and with logic like that the germans would be ruling the world right now. All the whining and crying about how unfair it was for Germany to start rolling through Europe with their armies would have done nothing to stop it. People had to SUCK IT UP and do something about it. If people aren't willing to change their habits/lifestyle and yet continue to whine about how much something costs why should anyone listen? Do you see what I'm getting at?
I for one will continue to purchase gas because thats what makes my car move, but I don't have to be happy about the price I am paying for it. If the governement all of a sudden put a "rice tax" on modded vehicles, tripling the cost of performance parts, I would stop modding my car. But that is a choice I can make. Buying gas to power my vehicle, which is necessary for me to function is not my choice. (Or at least, it is not much of one).
No but you don't have the choice to change your mode of transportation. Get a more fuel efficient vehicle. Go to work with a friend, etc. Those are also choices that you can make. If you are unwilling to make those choices then who is to blame?
You can say you are sick and tired of people whining about the price of gas. Did you ever think that maybe people are tired of people telling them to "suck it up"?
Why do you suppose people are telling others to "suck it up"? Could it be because they are fed up with the whining? Sort of like how a 2 year old whines and crys about how unfair it is that they can't go to McDonalds for lunch and get told "that's life, deal with it". Which do you think comes first? The whining or the being told to "suck it up"?
Rant about your rant concluded.
*note - not a flame, just a counter-point*
Please don't take anything I say personal. I took your rant as a part of productive discussion as I believe you intended it to be. Feel free to reply however you wish.
Last edited by soloracer951; Sep 6, 2005 at 10:36 PM.
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Originally Posted by Aviator 902S
Just wondering: How popular are gas-guzzling SUVs, large cars and pick-ups over there vs. econoboxes? (on this side of the atlantic gas guzzlers account for > 50% of registered vehicles).
And since you've had them for over 8 years, just how reliable are the Smart cars? They've only just been introduced on this side of the pond and it's too early to tell if they're a keeper or a lemon. But everyone who's driven them claim that in spite of their glacial acceleration they're a blast to drive.
And since you've had them for over 8 years, just how reliable are the Smart cars? They've only just been introduced on this side of the pond and it's too early to tell if they're a keeper or a lemon. But everyone who's driven them claim that in spite of their glacial acceleration they're a blast to drive.
On that note...i think smart cars will hold up reasonably well in a big city like toronto. Not too sure about further west thought (i've heard about your hilly mountain roads
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Well I just got back from Nevada and I have really bad news. First of all I was shocked to see that gas here in Ottawa went from 99c all the way to 1.29 and I heard higher while I was gone. I was shocked because in Nevada, gas prices stayed the same all week and it's cheaper than here!! How does that make ANY sense?!!
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Originally Posted by Amur_
It's official - gas is falling back down again. I filled up yesterday for 99.6. 527km on the trip meter. 
I heard a rumor that it's sopposed to hit $2.00 sometime in te next week or so but that may just be a rumor
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Hey, I just bought gas for 98.1 today in Richmond Hill. Guess the oil companies have achieved something now, eh? They've now created the attitude that less than $1 per litre is a bargain. How masterful.
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Originally Posted by ChristopherL
Hey, I just bought gas for 98.1 today in Richmond Hill. Guess the oil companies have achieved something now, eh? They've now created the attitude that less than $1 per litre is a bargain. How masterful.
Analize it all you want, it come down to this , Oil companies buy 12-24 months in advance on SPEC. call it 1/2 what the going rate is on wall st. Now they are charging based on SPOT pricing from the market.. THIER pricing is fixed based on the Spec buy so what we are seeing is genuine fraud when they claim it's caused by the 'natural disaster' ...
Lets just switch to hydrogen, set up a power generator over at ***** falls and your producing enough electrolisys for guite a few tonnes of Hydrogen a month and subsidized by the sale of pure O2 to the medical industry.. rotary only looses 12% of it's power when switched.. as of the last tech paper I read on it.
Lets just switch to hydrogen, set up a power generator over at ***** falls and your producing enough electrolisys for guite a few tonnes of Hydrogen a month and subsidized by the sale of pure O2 to the medical industry.. rotary only looses 12% of it's power when switched.. as of the last tech paper I read on it.
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Originally Posted by Aviator 902S
Sounds like they stole a page from the Liberal policy handbook....
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Originally Posted by 88sunlover
CNN is predicting $5/Gallon gas if Rita is a real bitch and hits Texas....
Reminds me of a guy I used to work with. At least a couple times each month Brad's wife would call him at work with some new family crisis that required him to come home pronto. Of course it was doubtful if such a crisis really existed in any of these instances.
One day Brad got off the phone and blurted out "I gotta get home quick. My wife just fell down stairs." About 30 minutes after he left another co-worker stuck his head through the lunchroom door and said "Brad just called. He said he wont be in until next week. His whole family just fell down stairs."
Next year when Hurricane Jezibel hits the south coast look for gas to hit $10/gallon...
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w00t! Gassed up at 97.5c. I know that's not supposed to be a good thing, and a few months ago I was complaining about it being that high.... but considering that I spoke to people from Southern Ont today ($1.60/L) and Montreal ($1.45/L), I'm happy I got away with what I did
That's one advantage of working at the Sympatico call centre.. people call in, and while their computers are rebooting I get a read on what the weather and gas prices are all over Ont and Que.
It kills boredom.
Well, I'm good for another 300km. Let's hope that by then I'll find another sub-1$ place.
Jon
Edit: looks like you don't have to go to Southern Ont to find outrageous prices. The Esso on Maloney blvd in Gatineau has their prices at 1.72 according to OttawaGasPrices.com!
That's one advantage of working at the Sympatico call centre.. people call in, and while their computers are rebooting I get a read on what the weather and gas prices are all over Ont and Que.
It kills boredom.Well, I'm good for another 300km. Let's hope that by then I'll find another sub-1$ place.
Jon
Edit: looks like you don't have to go to Southern Ont to find outrageous prices. The Esso on Maloney blvd in Gatineau has their prices at 1.72 according to OttawaGasPrices.com!
Last edited by vipernicus42; Sep 23, 2005 at 12:25 AM.
1.72, what the hell are those people in Gatineau smoking!! another reason to stay away from there
well, there were still some places in Ottawa that were below a dollar today...hopefully i can go fill up tommorow and it will still be about the same...
tuned cruise on the SAFC a bit more, and i think i can get over 700km a tank highway driving
well, there were still some places in Ottawa that were below a dollar today...hopefully i can go fill up tommorow and it will still be about the same...
tuned cruise on the SAFC a bit more, and i think i can get over 700km a tank highway driving
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well rita is 500km wide, thats like from oshawa to montreal and its still gettin bigger before it hits texas... expect atleast $2/litre this weekend says atleast 3 difference news channels.
OTTAWA PEOPLE, especially you turbo guys, most gas stations currently are sold out of regular, so you can pick up premium for the same price.
just saw a Sunoco selling Ultra 94 for 106.8
just saw a Sunoco selling Ultra 94 for 106.8
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Those on here still naive enough to believe that the feds (specifically partners in crime Martin and Goodale) are telling us the truth when they say that if taxes on fuel were reduced the big, bad oil companies would just keep the prices where they are while pocketing the difference need to read this:
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnis...8/1238367.html
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnis...8/1238367.html
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Liberals are the national experts in spending other people's money and the lies and disinformation necessary to maintain that expertise is truly sobering. I believe that Canadians as a people are incredibly naive and self-centered (at least those east of Alberta). I do not see that changing in my lifetime and as a result believe strongly that we are headed for a generation of minority Liberal governments. I have to hold my stomach when I say that, but there you go.
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Originally Posted by ChristopherL
Liberals are the national experts in spending other people's money and the lies and disinformation necessary to maintain that expertise is truly sobering. I believe that Canadians as a people are incredibly naive and self-centered (at least those east of Alberta). I do not see that changing in my lifetime and as a result believe strongly that we are headed for a generation of minority Liberal governments. I have to hold my stomach when I say that, but there you go.
It will likely take the separation of Alberta and possibly Quebec as well before they finally realize what the Liberal governments from Pearson onward have done to (not for) this country. Ontario would still be an economic power house of course, but the rest of what's left of Canada would really feel the negative after-effects.
