I know its not an RX7 lol Scion Canada announces FRS will be only $25990.00! I am amazed at the price and I bet they sell out before they get here! lol

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g

Great Video^^

Thats less than i was expecting for it thats for sure. Thats the base price obviously but you still get a whole lot of car for that.

 

Not bad, considering the US price is 24,000 I think, off the top of my head. Compare that to the Subaru markup and it's not a bad deal at all! In a few years time you can find used ones for cheap, and that will be the best time to buy them.

 

guys, I don't understand the excitement behind this automobile at all.

Personally I think its a pos...

what am I missing?

 

^ Short wheel-base, FR layout coupe, 200hp, lightweight, and now we know it's relatively cheap. Hopefully the price doesn't reflect on the build quality, but it is a toyota, which to me says "reliably boring!" The fact that Subaru manufactures most of the chassis/suspension components might be a redeeming feature though.
It's hype is based around the same hype that the AE86 is surrounded by in the grassroots car culture. It's just another RWD econobox that can be drifted and tracked on the cheap, and in the right hands can be made to look somewhat 'cool.' Think of how the 240sx (and variants) are viewed in the same culture, but what are they really? Cheap, manual and RWD.
Every article I read about it leaves me saying "meh..." but maybe if I get to drive one things will change. Not like I'm leaping at the opportunity to do so.

 

Being a Toyota dont count on a "used one cheap". Unlike the RX8 which has had over $12,000 in rebates thrown at it which made used vehicle prices plummet, Toyota doesnt work that way. We recently sold a 2 year old used FJ Cruiser for about 6K less than a new one!

 

Why exactly would you think it's a POS? The MX-5 starts at almost $29K, for a two seat roadster with less power (less weight as well). At least you can bring some friends in the FR-S/GT86/BRZ. It's built by Toyota and Subaru. Both companies have good reputations, decent quality and now both have fun, inexpensive rear drivers. I won't be rushing out to try to trade my FB for one, but it's nice to see a company actually gearing a decent sports car at people that can't afford a 350Z or STi. What was the last sports car Toyota even sold? The MR-S wasn't it? The more I think about it the harder it is to come up with many companies, if any at all that are selling decently powered, relatively light and inexpensive rear drive coupes. This thing will sell, and good for Subaru and Toyota. But it will sell because it's what car enthusiasts actually want.

 

my complaints are there are no variations of motors / models to chose from, that and that its not a Toyota motor under the hood. Being a Supra owner, and a Toyota enthusiast, this bother me a little, but what can you do? but 200 hp is one the weaker side, and is ok if it was a N/A option, but a turbo version should be available too. but it is better than nothing, and i can learn to be content with that for now. Can always swap in a 2j and have 400 all day every day

 

Looks like it could become a nice chick car , like the tiburon and celica .......... women drive most of those . Has nice lines to it and almost Genesis / 370 ish looking towards the back in the top pic

 

0-60 in 7 seconds
high compression boxer engine (go price out a rebuild on that)
2800lbs, rwd, 200hp...sounds like an fc to me?

I'm not getting into this here, but from what I've seen about this fad is the same as current 86 owners: fanboys (with the exception of Pat Cyr and a few others).

They buy a "drivers" car and think they're drivers. The only fast one's are going to be aftermarket one off's like Orido's or Ken Gushi's. Everyone else is going to spend more time on the forum talking about power to weight ratio and other bs slow ppl always go on about instead of actually posting fast times up.

It will be a fun car, not fast.

Toyota/Scion/Subaru spent more money marketing the car than they did building it.

The MKIV supra was the last real car toyota built. For 25k US you can buy a clean example.

/rant

edit: flame suit on

 

This is 2Fierce in real life. Just in case anybody was wondering where his haterade comes from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N5p8IXzNdc

 

Mike why you hate so much!, you do know its all about the power under the curve right? ya its 200whp Peak but im sure the powerband on the car is wicked and drives real well

I bet a bone stock 128i (which is more) and a bone stock Fr-s would be dead even on the track

 

Does the FRS have the option of automatic transmission? Maybe my gf will get one.

 

It does

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25 years ago we had a base model fc3s. This is the basic sports car of today. I don't think I'd ever own one but it's a brilliant idea, and about damn time.

 

I'm glad Al posted, and I'm really happy to see the pricing is fairly in line with the US. In the US, I think this car is going to be hurt by being priced right on top of the V6 Mustangs, Genesis etc. In Canada, it just popped on to my radar. (From the US pricing announced the other week, I had written it off as overpriced.)

I'm really conflicted on this car though. I'm happy to see a major manufacturer offering another sporty, affordable, rear-drive car in the market as there are too few. I REALLY want to love it. Really, I do. It could be a tempting daily driver.

But, as 2Fierce and others indicted, I don't really get the hype either.

On the surface, it looks like a less practical RX8 (FRS rear seats are useless from all reports) with less power, similar weight, and a less sophisticated suspension design (again, from what I've read, we'll see once it's in the wild.) with, granted, probably better fuel economy.

RX8 at 2900lbs (base) with 232 HP decreed by the internet to be slow and underpowered.
FRS at 2800lbs (base) with 200 HP hailed by the internet as the rebirth of the fun RWD sports coupe.
Huh?

I guess I'll have to wait until I drive it, but I really don't know what to think.

 

Here's the most indepth look at the FR-S that I've found from a few months back. It really is basic underneath.
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...86fr-sbrz.aspx

 

The FRS is supposed to come in under 2700lbs, I know for a fact that a 2007 RX8 GT weight 3050lbs++ because I weighed one at the track one day on a set of racing scales. It may not sound like much but 300-400lbs is huge in the performace of a car. The other reason there is so much hype is that the RX8 when new (without the massive cash backs) was over 40K and this car is 26K..................

As far as fuel economy my 381HP 5600lbs Tundra gets was better fuel economy than a RX8 lol.

 

Are you sure about the FRS weight? Linked article (and what I've read elsewhere as well) has the car at 2689 dry with possibly no radio/AC etc. They are offering a super-stripped trim level in Japan.
An RX8 GT (which means leather, power seats, AC, Bose audio etc, possibly a sunroof) has a lot of extra options on it, and if it was at the track, I presume that's a wet weight.
Weight wet on a base RX8 in mostly reported to be pretty much right on 2900lbs.

Regarding the hype and the price, let's be honest, Canada isn't a big enough market to drive the hype. In the US the FRS is just over $24K base, and the RX8 was sub-30K, not to mention the Mustang and Genesis. (Which are big and heavy, I know). The starting price of a Miata in the US is sub-$24K. So, the advantage of the FRS in the Canadian market is going to last as long as the other manufacturers over-charge and don't put their pricing in line with the US.

As for the fuel economy, good point. Before I got my Cobb AP and had it tuned, I think my old Yukon towing my RX7 got about the same mileage as my RX8.

Don't get me wrong. I REALLY want to like the car. I REALLY do. Keep bringing us news on it. I'm hoping to find something that makes me want it.

 

Don't forget that there is a very good possibility that there will be a subaru "sti" version.
I don't know if you guys have looked at engine bay pictures but it has tons of room for a turbo.

overall its another rwd, light, sporty car for a decent price.

 

Here's another motoIQ article (this one is by the suspension guru Mike Kojima himself) about the suspension set-up and how they think it will drive, based on their observations.

http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...cion-fr-s.aspx

...and the only quote I could find about it's redeeming feature was on popular mechanics:
"Cars like this shouldn’t exist in our safety-netted automotive world. The reality is that car makers assume that drivers don’t know best and introduce intrusive safety electronics to prevent the almost certain hole in the scenery if such forces were unleashed by the ordinary driver. By contrast, Toyota has started from a position of trust and built a car that assists and encourages its driver, with the most remarkable level of feedback of any car launched in the last few years."

 

Why shouldn't people be excited - rear-wheel drive, handles well, quick, if not fast, and rather ironic for RX7 drivers to talk about a useless rear seat. The RX-8 was great, but it was much more expensive - here in Canada, before they got serious about cashbacks, it was hard to get one below 40G, not 30 (that was US pricing) even with no options, and in that price range, it was up against some competition that may not have handled better or even as well, but had a lot more engine. And who cares about rebuild prices - this is a NA Subie/Toyota - you'll probably able to bag on it for 300,000km and still have good compression. This car is in an entirely different price class - and other than v6 Mustangs or the base Genesis coupe, not a lot of competition. The Mustang and Genesis coupe are larger, but much heavier cars - and may outsell the FRS/BRZ if people prioritize size over agility. I would think the crowd here would take agility over rear-seat and trunk space and straight-line power however, not be talking like Mustang owners.

 

The FRS/BRZ will aim to dig into the Miata sales. They're essentially the same sports configuration aimed at the same buyer. Only benefit the Miata has its capable of putting it's roof down.
I don't think either the FRS/BRZ will come with a moonroof option. It's a solid roof top in all trim levels (as far as I know).
Now, between us enthusiasts, that's a good thing, since adding a hunk of glass all the way up there is pretty horrible for a sports car. But for the general public, that can be a make or break option.
Especially if you expect the female buyers to get into this car. You can't imagine how important it is for women to have a moonroof on their car. It's freakin ridiculous.

Hence, I see alot of loyal classic AE86 fan boys hit this car up. Majority of sales will be to people who want a reliable sports car they don't have to fiddle with.
0-60 in 7sec's is a brisk pace. Surely nothing compared to what we're use too, but for a reliable sports car, it's moving pretty well. Especially nowadays with the way traffic is.
Modern conviencenes like Bluetooth, navi, power everything... It's got potential to sell lots.
And people have responded. Lots of people are lining up for this vehicle.

I personally would still take the Miata. There's a reason why they're in the Guinness book of records.

 

This couldn't be more true. Family member was looking at the Audi A5/S5 Quattro and it literally had everything she wanted, 4wd, manual, 2door, except the glass doesn't slide back - it only pops up a tiny bit. This was enough for her not buy. The new Acura TL SH-AWD does open the moonroof, and passes all her other requirements so she bought it instead. To me the Audi was a no-brainer but those pesky moonroofs...

 

The target market for the FRS is not RX8, Mustang, Hyundai Coupe etc. Toyota is looking to recaputure the Celica and older rear wheel drive Corolla type of customers. If the FRS every steals a Miata buyer then the Miata buyer really didnt want a convertible lol.

 

THANK YOU!

My problem with these potential FR-S owners is they think they are buying a sports car.

No offence, but the celicas we got in Canada (the non 4wd turbo one's) are NOT sports cars.

It will be a FUN car. Not a FAST car.

That's all I have to say about it...