Alak

iTrader: (9)

Thats what I've gathered so far everytime the subject comes up, that you guys are on a witchhunt. It is kinda obvious. I was just upset when I felt classified because I mentioned that I had a positive reception there and stood by it. I had to get involved by reflex.


Anyways, I'd like to apologize to Eric, I got a little carried away earlier.

eoph

i am quite disappointed with rx7club. at least most people that read the threads can see threw it all. people will learn one way or another though.

boostd 7- mentioning of adam's contribution was because syritus said adam contributed a lot to the community. it was merely a response. and the truth is adam never did apologize. does it mean what people say about their experiences is automatically false? i think its more childish for adam to not apologize than for people to have a grudge against him. and y the persistance? mabe still recently there are people that didn't have a gd experience with adam? i'm sure if adam does perfect work now no one would complain, even if adam still failed to apologize. from adam's recent customer's that doesn't seem to be the case now does it?

Alak

iTrader: (9)

I think in alot of these situations, we arn't getting all the truthful facts from both sides. In that sense, it gets blown WAY out of proportion.

I've got some of the facts. Remember eoph, we worked on your car together with other buddys. I've seen what can happen in some cases. But too be honest, I've seen alot more happy customers that angry ones.


Its good to see this thread is getting a little more sedate.

soloracer951

Shaun,

So lets say someone came online and said they were going to spend $10,000 on an engine management install at Guyon Racing. Then they came on the forum asking people for their experiences or what they have seen. Would you stay quiet and let them take it up the whizzer like you did? Would you have liked someone to have warned you about what to expect at Guyon before you went there? Haven't you ever heard that silence is the same thing as condoning the action? Which one takes make courage - more "*****" as you so aptly put it - keeping your yap shut or speaking up? If you were so damn upset at the quality of work that Guyon did you should have spoken up about it. Any you have the nerve to challenge my character.

As for offering solutions to my problems I have done that. I haven't taken the car back to Adam because I don't believe the workmanship has improved. He certainly hasn't offered me personally any reason to go back. So the solution for me is to learn about the car and work on it myself. I honestly believe that when I didn't know any better Adam took advantage of me for financial gain.

Ryan,

A large part of what we are trying to do here is to educate the people here on what they need to know before going to see Adam so that they don't fall prey to the same things I or several other people have. Did you read the list of things that Chris brought up earlier that came out of Adam's mouth (like that the Super AFC is self tuning, etc.)? I'll give you my example. I was talked into an engine rebuild by Adam shortly after I purchased my car. He had to redo it 3 times because of problems with the engine - which he claims were due to the milling of the rotors for 3mm apex seals. So when the motor ran like dirt the for the 3rd time what was I to believe? It wasn't until I met some guys who knew a thing or two that we discovered what a hack job was done on my car. On top of the poor installation of the engine management system my engine made 80 psi or less compression on a brand new rebuild. So far all of the engines that we have tested that were rebuilt by Adam made similar compression numbers so it's not just a one off case. Everything I have read tells me that cranking compression is an indicator of the strength (or weakness) of an engine. If the compression is low enough it means that the parts are out of spec and need to be replaced. So we mention this to Adam. Guess what he says? Cranking compression doesn't matter. It appears that it matters to the rest of the free world - even Mazda has acceptable limits when it comes to cranking compression. A newly rebuilt engine should not make compression that borders on the minimum acceptable level. You and several others have portrayed him as an "elite" in the business. Denying poor workmanship and casting blame on others is not how an "elite" should behave.

Not one of us has said that Adam can't do a good job if he sets his mind to it. All we've said is that he hasn't done one for us and several other local guys. I don't believe he puts the time and effort needed to provide a quality product for all the local guys. And worst of all, when confronted with it he either attacks us as being "haters" or "out to start our own shop" rather than discussing it rationally and perhaps admitting that he was wrong.

I resent the implication that anything I say or do here is for "financial" gain. I don't make a dime, nor do I expect to ever make a dime, off anything I say here. I ask you for proof of this so called "financial gain" that is being bantered about. So why do I persist? Good question. Perhaps it's because I take offense to the way I was treated by him and his shop - and continue to be treated by him. And over time both of us have entrenched our positions.

When you talk about respect is it not fair to ask him to respect me? I am after all a customer of his. Is he free to run rough shod over former customers that have paid for a service and not recieved the product they were promised? Are you saying that I have to earn his respect and that he doesn't have to earn mine?

soloracer951

One last thing Shaun,

In a company I would rather have a group of people who aren't afraid to speak their mind when they see something wrong than an individual who keeps his yap shut and offers nothing other than smiling and nodding his head. If we are unemployable then in my opinion you are not worth employing. Now I honestly believe that at your worksite when you see something wrong you speak up about it. Why don't you do the same here - regardless of who is the one at fault? Or are you saying that you agree that motors should be built missing parts, with mixed up rotors, with low compression? Your silence on these issues implies that you agree. Or are you afraid of whose toes you might step on? I know that if I think Max or Chris or Graham are wrong I'll say so. We may discuss it and I could be proven incorrect but at least I have the ***** to say something. Once again, I guess I lack the "character" that you have.

By the way, you still haven't called me. Saving the dime perhaps?

edv

Wow.
Just spent an hour reading this soap opera. Best entertainment I've got here in Africa today.
thanks to all.

I'm with ShaunO on the 'solutions' angle. I recall the last time I was at Adam's shop buying gaskets sometime last year, the bashing subject came up. I told him that regardless of what he-said she-said, a lot of the **** that gets heaped on him could evaporate if he only showed some more interest in the local community. Just simple things, like getting that 20B going. Sure he uses it as a research mule, but if he just brought it out to a meet, maybe with some interesting 'insider' stuff like the anti-det device or news on the hydrogen project or the latest ECU, he would gain much more respect than trying to defend himself on an internet forum.

Seems so simple to me. Dunno why he doesn't try it. It's an investment of only a few hours a year, with good tangible dividends.

Chris Ng

So.. If I made a large cash donation to the fourms, do I attain unbannable status like some others on here? (Not including adam) ?? I'm actually quite seirous about this inquery ryan...

Guess what.. I give up.. it's obvious that there is some bias on the fourm.. and there really isn't anything wrong with that.. since it's up as a public service.. if ryan feels he needs to back adam.. then it's his perogative.. right or wrong... perhaps to avoid this in the future, there should be a new fourm rule posted up that states that there are some vendors who are off limits on the fourm for whatever reason... that should make things very clear to everyone..

adam.. you have stated that we keep harping on past issues.. you have mentioned that the quality of work in your shop has gotten better since the times when we had work done by you.. Okay, I'm willing to accept that.. I guess time will tell.. The calgary rx-7 scene seems to get larger every year, with more and more people coming out of the woodworks.. perhaps one day there may even be the formation of an organized group, at which point I would hope that you would be willing to get involved with it.. You are right, it's not our job to keep a watch over your work, even though we felt it to be a moral obligation to try and keep people from experiencing the same things we have in the past.. however, as the rotary scene gets stronger and more cohesive, It will eventually decide if you are or are not THE man..

Felgar

I have the same issue. I stood in Adam's shop for at least an hour arguing with him about replacing that non-functioning headlight switch with another one that worked. I wasn't waiting for it to be offered; I demanded that the situation be made right. In the end there was the simple refusal to reimburse my costs and/or replace the switch, so I left unhappy and wouldn't return for about 5 years. Then out of desperation I try again with the heater core and run into the issues with just poor attention to detail. I didn't go back to confront anything but rather just chalked it up to my own fault for once again taking the lazy road out; besides it's not like you can just repaint a fender every time it's scratched, and we couldn't even work out a light switch never mind a paint job. So that's the negative part of it.

The positive is that my heater core looks good and hasn't had any issues. My TPS which I had them adjust is also a lot better now. For me that's the most frustrating part; that I believe they have the technical knowledge and proficiency to do most things right, but simply do not take the care and attention to do it right, and/or try to rectify anything that's gone wrong. To me it is a sign of disrespect for his local customers which everyone knows are not the bread and butter of the business. But the fact that local guys are on the periphery of the business is all the more reason to treat them right (because the cost of doing so is negligible) rather than trying to nickel and dime everyone for a little extra profit.

BOOSTD 7

How typical, this statement tells me all I need to know about your maturity level and frame of mind. Hey Adam, how much have you given to the forum EVER for advertising? Let me add it all up ... exactly $0.00.

When it's a he said, she said issue and I have no choice but to get involved, it's pretty simple who I believe. The one I trust! Should I believe the guy who's been running a reputable and well-known business for 15 years and is VERY well spoken of amongst other reputable business owners ... or do I believe the bunch of guys with no track record of their own who use every opportunity to run that guys name into the mud? Pretty simple decision.

Hell guys, for all I know Adam totally screwed each and every one of you, but I don't believe that. I don't know you all personally, and have only spoken with Adam on the phone. But I have seen his work, and heard many others speak of his work and dealings with him.

The bottom line is this has gone on long enough, I HAD to step in. And my final judgement is that the group of bashers needs to stop, enough is enough. From now on, learn how to keep your mouths shut when the topic of Adam comes up.

Chris Ng

Well.. I guess that sums it all up right there...

eoph

then i hope what you believe is true, because that means there'll be a new rotary shop soon :/

rx7_turbo2

I will continue to talk freely. If someone decides to end that here on the forum, I will continue to do so at the meets, and any other time I feel it appropriate. If people think it's childish I could not care less. Fact is the majority of people I want to assosiate with from this forum have my phone number and vice versa. The others I am more than happy to interact with at meets etc. Ryan's been told the truth and the facts on God only knows how many occassions now, and he chooses to believe the propoganda spewed from Adam's mouth, like so many others, so.......If that's the way it must be then cool.

Whatever, have fun folks.

Keep it sleezly
Graham

nubian

no.... im not gonna be swiss on this one, i ****** livid that everyone is a bunch of ****** women. i was so excited 2 years ago when i bought my car and found out there was a nice size group of people that love the same car(s) as me. after reading this trash, i wont be able to look at anyone the same. so much hatred that is brought out for god knows. ive been to other types of clubs, yes there is fighting amongst people, but not this hard core. i cant say as i took the time to read every post. but, if anyone was gettin morals/ego stomped, would they come out to the same group to be part of the group? also, if half of groups problems were told and nothing was done about it, wtf!

lets make this right! it will take time but:

anyone that doesn't like rx7 specialties: shutup for a while, and start being nice. i love askin for advice and help, it is a wonderful thing when a person is truly stumped, and can pick up the phone for help. this constant bashing creates tension at meets. the adam haters over there and the adam likers over here. WTF ! its about the cars/rotary!

adam: when locals have enough ammo to tell you many problems, you might want to listen to them, or at the very least fold up shop and just deal with people far away. first rule of business, customer is always first. example, desk/sales person, they could be in charge of inventory, helping customers. a posted price list of what you have or can get. again, i love havin somewhere i can come for the odd part that i can get right now, and maybe save a few bucks if its used.

both groups have always been nice to me, and i have also been frustrated at both groups. frustration is my own prob though. here is the fix... now fix it please! you make me want to sell my car and buy a vw van!

the worst part is you frickin monkeys keep me comin back to read this crap!(married, mortgage, dead end job kind of guy) :P

rx7_turbo2

Nubian, it's just not going to happen. Either we'll open our mouths and get banned and you won't hear from us anymore, or out of frustration we just won't post anymore and you won't hear from us. Either way people had better hope Adam "The Man" the "Rotary God", the "Almighty" starts posting technical help alot more, cause there's going to be a lack of it for awhile (not that I ever added that much but.....) Too bad really but sometimes knowledge and enlightenment is held down in a dictatorship cause it makes the authority figures look bad. such is life.

silverrotor

iTrader: (1)

Okay, the puck stops here. Six pages allowed for everyone to say and speak their mind and In most cases allowed themselves to repeat their same opinions more than once.

Unless BOOSTD7 objects this thread Is over.

vipernicus42

iTrader: (4)

I just wanted to add a few words of my own after reading all this.

The best advice my father ever gave me was "Form your opinions of people based on how they have treated you, not on what others have said".

I can see that there are many of the local Calgary guys who have received service that they weren't happy with from Adam/Rx7Specialties. I can fully understand their desire to alert people, to warn them so that they too don't experience the same things. I can also understand the frustration in being asked for help from someone who persists in not heeding the warnings.

On the flip side, I don't want to write off any shop with whom I have not had personal experience. I know that there's a local Rx7 shop in Ottawa with which many of the Ottawa guys (myself included) have a similar beef. All of my interactions with our local shop have been near disasterous, and the same with many local people.

Despite this I personally think that all of this has been blown way too far out of preportion and needs to stop. I will not delete a post where a person gives their fair and honest opinion, as long as it does not involve a direct, pointed attack at another person. I will do my best to not allow people to be flamed for their opinions, be they positive or negative.

I will not take sides in this situation, but if we are to continue to work as a community of rx7 and rotary enthusiasts I suggest that we keep our comments small, to the point, and personal to ourselves.

Those who have had a experiences with Adam, when asked by a newcomer for an opinion can simply state "I have had a bad experience with that shop when x happened, and thus I don't personally recommend them", as much as others can say "I have had a good experience...". This is a community, and I don't believe anybody is being (or should be) looked down upon for that.

I will share any knowledge and experience I have gained in my short time working on Rx7s with anybody who asks, within the constraints of my spare time of course. I respect all of you for speaking your opinions, and continue to welcome them. But I *will* stop somoene if they use another person's opinion as the basis to start banter or discussion on this matter again.

Let's all just get along, and get back to being a community filled with constructive ideas and criticism.

Jon