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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 12:33 PM
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also you should bypass/replace the clutch switch, its an add on in the circuit for Americans, and they go bad
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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 12:42 PM
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I'd also go around and check your grounds. Yes I know the starter is directly grounded to the transmission, but check to make sure that it grounds well to the chassis. You may even benefit more from a dedicated ground straight to the battery from the starter.
My battery is in the back, and I've been through this whole ordeal a few times now.

Currently I have an 18" battery cable going from the starter bolt directly to the frame rale with a ground point I recently sanded. that part should be fine.

I tried running a ground wire from the battery all the way to the starter and it didn't seem to help at all.
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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 04:35 PM
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My battery is in the back, and I've been through this whole ordeal a few times now.

Currently I have an 18" battery cable going from the starter bolt directly to the frame rale with a ground point I recently sanded. that part should be fine.

I tried running a ground wire from the battery all the way to the starter and it didn't seem to help at all.
I should have figured you'd already checked this, but sometimes we forget the little things so it was worth saying. Missed you at the cruise, but understand that you couldn't make it.
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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 06:05 PM
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This had me breaking my noggin for over a year, I have an S4 TII that had starting issues also. I found the problem was that the starter solenoid wire only had 4.5v going to it when I would hit the key and depress the clutch pedal.

A buddy of mine always suggested I throw in a relay in between, so I did. Got full 12v going to it and it cranks over beautifully now. In the near future though I will be looking to fix the voltage drop, where ever it may be, since I don't want it to get so bad that even the relay wont kick over.
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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII
I wouldn't worry about the gear noise.

The noise is from how the front of the diff is mounted to the rear subframe.

Mazda used a very soft coupling between the diff nose and the subframe to soften diff vibrations to the chassis through the subframe and hung a huge rubber damper off the coupling/diff mount as well.

If I adjust my runner pinion snubber so it touches the top of the stock TII diff nose the stock Mazda rear end gear whine is very noticeable, so I have it with a slight gap so it just whines when I accelerate.

Congratulations, you just got a new race car noise.
Partly, yes but the non OEM gear sets are always louder than the OE Ford gear sets.
The gear noise from my 8.8 with Ford 3.73 gears is about equal to my old NA Mazda diff. Both were mounted fully solid with solid subframe bushings.

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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 08:47 PM
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Partly, yes but the non OEM gear sets are always louder than the OE Ford gear sets.
The gear noise from my 8.8 is about equal to my old NA Mazda diff. Both were mounted fully solid with solid subframe bushings.


Maybe I am reading this wrong, but it sounds like we are agreeing any diff mounted solidly to the front subframe will transmit a lot of gear noise.
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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII
Partly, yes but the non OEM gear sets are always louder than the OE Ford gear sets.
The gear noise from my 8.8 is about equal to my old NA Mazda diff. Both were mounted fully solid with solid subframe bushings.


Maybe I am reading this wrong, but it sounds like we are agreeing any diff mounted solidly to the front subframe will transmit a lot of gear noise.
Yes, but my diff isn't solid mounted, it's all rubber

mazda-comp bushings in the back and the stock explorer bushing in the front.

I need to put the car back up in the air to see if the case around the front mount is hitting the toe control link's mount. I assume that's all it is. hopefully I can clearance that a bit and it'll get better.
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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BLUE TII
Partly, yes but the non OEM gear sets are always louder than the OE Ford gear sets.
The gear noise from my 8.8 is about equal to my old NA Mazda diff. Both were mounted fully solid with solid subframe bushings.


Maybe I am reading this wrong, but it sounds like we are agreeing any diff mounted solidly to the front subframe will transmit a lot of gear noise.
Yes. And any diff that has non OEM Ford 8.8 gears will have more gear noise than an OE Ford gear set.

I bet your car gets it with the 5.14 gears Mike! You are ready for the V8 swap now

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I will almost guarantee that the noise is the front case hitting the subframe mount if you used the Ronin rubber front isolator.

There is some inherent clunking out of the 8.8 itself as well, like in a parking lot creeping on and off throttle, or on the freeway at cruise getting on and off the gas.

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Old Apr 17, 2015 | 10:29 PM
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Yes, but my diff isn't solid mounted, it's all rubber

mazda-comp bushings in the back and the stock explorer bushing in the front.


Not at all like the stock Mazda 1" + thick block of soft rubber mounted in shear. You know that because its not moving all over the place...
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Old Apr 19, 2015 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
Yes. And any diff that has non OEM Ford 8.8 gears will have more gear noise than an OE Ford gear set.
Ford rebuilds a lot of those diffs under warranty, we even did with the B trucks for a while, until we figured out that the clunking and whining was part of the design...
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 10:22 AM
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First event of the season is in the bag!

First place in SSM, would have been 5th in SM behind 2 very fast cars (an evo and sti both with 500+ hp, aero, and tires the size of mine)

the car is much better to drive with the new final drive, I don't feel like I'm just waiting for power out of every corner. I just need to work on throttle modulation now

Video of my Final and fastest run:

At about 30 seconds in I'm hitting 9000 rpms and it's runnning out of breath pretty well, but on this course at least, I think it was a fine comprimise. I'll probably raise the rev limiter and work on the fuel map up there. I don't think it's really tuned, I think I just left it super rich...

One problem I did have is it puked gear oil out of my rushed diff breather... luckily I was running with the CAM class (classic american muscle) so they had bigger fish to fry when they can looking for the car that was leaking oil on course LOL.

It shouldn't be too hard to fix. just need to get a hose on it and pipe it to a better breather setup.
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 10:25 AM
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Here is a video from a stationary camera we had setup at the event, at about 7:55 is my buddy's 300+ hp turbo mint GSL-SE, followed by me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZqI...utu.be&t=7m55s

I need to get closer to cones...
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 12:12 PM
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Very nice! Driver mod = very good
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 06:25 PM
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So after doing the diff swap, how much of the street driveability is taken away from the car? Besides the noise, is the cruising down the highway reasonable? Are you closer to taking it to events on a trailer?
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Old Apr 20, 2015 | 06:44 PM
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So after doing the diff swap, how much of the street driveability is taken away from the car? Besides the noise, is the cruising down the highway reasonable? Are you closer to taking it to events on a trailer?
It's not too bad. My car is at about 4500 rpms on the highway... which isn't ideal haha, but it's not too bad. it actually might be quieter than before since my exhaust is kind of droney under that.

I don't have a trailer due to cost (I would have to buy a tow vehicle) and just plain hassle... driving to event is as good of a shake down as any
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by eage8
Here is a video from a stationary camera we had setup at the event, at about 7:55 is my buddy's 300+ hp turbo mint GSL-SE, followed by me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZqI...utu.be&t=7m55s

I need to get closer to cones...
I didn't know this existed, sweet video! Is this a new/consistent thing? The E28 doesn't even look like it's rolling over on itself too much.
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by eage8
First event of the season is in the bag!

First place in SSM, would have been 5th in SM behind 2 very fast cars (an evo and sti both with 500+ hp, aero, and tires the size of mine)

the car is much better to drive with the new final drive, I don't feel like I'm just waiting for power out of every corner. I just need to work on throttle modulation now

Video of my Final and fastest run:
2015 WDCR SOLO event #1 - YouTube

At about 30 seconds in I'm hitting 9000 rpms and it's runnning out of breath pretty well, but on this course at least, I think it was a fine comprimise. I'll probably raise the rev limiter and work on the fuel map up there. I don't think it's really tuned, I think I just left it super rich...

One problem I did have is it puked gear oil out of my rushed diff breather... luckily I was running with the CAM class (classic american muscle) so they had bigger fish to fry when they can looking for the car that was leaking oil on course LOL.

It shouldn't be too hard to fix. just need to get a hose on it and pipe it to a better breather setup.
The evo/sti wouldn't happen to have been drivin by David Wampler? He's a friend of mine who moved up in that area from Lynchburg. Very fast
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 03:07 PM
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The evo/sti wouldn't happen to have been drivin by David Wampler? He's a friend of mine who moved up in that area from Lynchburg. Very fast
Haha, yeah.... he got 3rd in an STi... 7 tenths out of first which was his co-driver, Martin Kriz. Both are stupid fast.
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 08:31 PM
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I didn't know this existed, sweet video! Is this a new/consistent thing? The E28 doesn't even look like it's rolling over on itself too much.
Shane started doing it late last year, but doesn't do it every event.

Yeah, your car doesn't roll much at all, probably has to due with the crap tires not generating many Gs
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 09:04 PM
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You are wheeling that thing! Looking good. The car looks like it really gets off the corners hard now!
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Old Apr 21, 2015 | 09:33 PM
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You are wheeling that thing! Looking good. The car looks like it really gets off the corners hard now!
Definitely, it completely solved my turbo lag complaints

nice picture I just found on bookface:


the car definitely loses something without the rear spoiler, need to get that wing on asap
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Old Apr 22, 2015 | 07:38 AM
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Glad the changes are working out! I will have to come over and watch you drive that thing around those cones.
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Old Apr 23, 2015 | 10:51 PM
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Hopefully I fixed my diff vent issues. Here is my quick vent I threw on it to get it running:



Not surprisingly, it puked diff oil pretty bad once I started autocrossing

Here is the new vent setup, I didn't have any 3/8" fuel line, but I did have some -6AN line, which didn't want to go over the fitting very well, hopefully it doesn't leak.

It basically goes from the diff up to the bottom of the trunk floor, over the fuel lines and then down into a filter mounted on the gas tank corner. ideally the filter wouldn't be pointed down... but this way the hose travels uphill more and for longer than it would if I had to put a filter on top of it. The line is also going towards the opposite corner of the diff, so when it's sloshing to the right (vent side) it won't go down the line that's going to the left and vice-versa. Hopefully it works out.

Sorry about the terrible pictures...







I also got a screaming deal on a set of 4 brand new 335/30/18 Hoosier A6s.... so I test fit one on the back today.... and they don't fit lol









so... that sucks.

right now the car is at ~ -0.8* of camber in the back (I had to choke up big time on the subframe link to get the pinion angle right). so if I get the rear camber down I might be able to fit them... we'll see, I'll play around with them a bit more in the future before I sell them.
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Old Apr 24, 2015 | 06:06 PM
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Damn so that's 60mm overfenders with a 18x12 et12 wheel?
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