My RX7/Rotary projects... formerly My Blk base build up..
09-24-13, 06:08 PM
#1451
You know, they don't keep score in peewee football (which i do not agree with) because they don't want to hurt the losing teams feelings. Phil, maybe next year you can give gold star first place prizes to everyone! That should fix all the issues here!
-J
-J
09-24-13, 06:21 PM
#1452
Wow Gordon, you live in your own little world, don't you?
I don't want to side track Phil's thread but this needs to be said:
I was one of the car show judges at DGRR 2011. Phil asked me to be a judge. He needed help with the event and like past years I was always willing to help out. Phil explained that if my brother's car (Goodfellas) was in the running for anything - by the other judges -that I would swiftly step down and be replaced by another person - which obviously ended up happening.
Interestingly enough, Gordon originally wasn't going to come to DGRR 2011. Rich was able to convince him - telling him of the great times we have had years past. See before all of this Rich & Gordon were good friends. Funny Gordon, b/c how did you pay your way down to DGRR 2011? Factoring in gas, tolls, food, and lodging it can get expensive pretty quick. Oh yea that's right, you asked to borrow $750 from Rich b/c you weren't able to "move funds around quick enough". Rich being the stand up guy that we all know him as sent him the money without question.
Gordon, remember when your 3 rotor broke down right outside the tail of the dragon, who was there to help out?? While your incompetent self was scratching your head, Rich sacrificed his time to have fun running the Dragon with everyone else to try and help you out & diagnose the POS motor that you had.
On top of this Rich was also kind enough to use his Mazda compression tester - which IS NOT cheap - to compression test your motor. Which you wound up accidentally breaking.
Car Show:
Fun fact here that I don't think Gordon or David Hayes knew - I happened to be talking with the 2 individuals from Modified Mag while I was judging the cars. They started asking me the history/what was done with some particular cars. THEY DID NOT EVEN ASK ME ABOUT GORDON'S OR HAYE'S. I WENT OUT OF MY WAY to show them both of their cars - siting specific facts on the car's modifications, what I liked, why I thought it was original, and even going to the extent to offer them to speak to the car's owners. There exact words were "Thanks, but it's not what we're looking for".
Both Gordon and David Hayes simply cannot wrap their heads around the fact that some people just DON'T LIKE THEIR CARS! Just because you dump $150K+ into a car, doesn't mean it's going to be god's gift to the sports car world. And doesn't mean you're going to win every car show you go to. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that to build something special. Simple as that. The truth hurts.
And this, ladies and gentleman, is why BOTH Gordon & David Hayes still thinks the car show was "rigged". B/c their cars didn't win. See it's something that has been done for hundreds of thousands of years and it has served the human race well. It's this concept called voting. They act like 6 year old kids that have just gotten their McDonald's Happy Meals taken away.
Gordon: How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours time 10.
David Hayes: stop trying to get snake your out of this like you always do b/c you're no different.
I don't want to side track Phil's thread but this needs to be said:
I was one of the car show judges at DGRR 2011. Phil asked me to be a judge. He needed help with the event and like past years I was always willing to help out. Phil explained that if my brother's car (Goodfellas) was in the running for anything - by the other judges -that I would swiftly step down and be replaced by another person - which obviously ended up happening.
Interestingly enough, Gordon originally wasn't going to come to DGRR 2011. Rich was able to convince him - telling him of the great times we have had years past. See before all of this Rich & Gordon were good friends. Funny Gordon, b/c how did you pay your way down to DGRR 2011? Factoring in gas, tolls, food, and lodging it can get expensive pretty quick. Oh yea that's right, you asked to borrow $750 from Rich b/c you weren't able to "move funds around quick enough". Rich being the stand up guy that we all know him as sent him the money without question.
Gordon, remember when your 3 rotor broke down right outside the tail of the dragon, who was there to help out?? While your incompetent self was scratching your head, Rich sacrificed his time to have fun running the Dragon with everyone else to try and help you out & diagnose the POS motor that you had.
On top of this Rich was also kind enough to use his Mazda compression tester - which IS NOT cheap - to compression test your motor. Which you wound up accidentally breaking.
Car Show:
Fun fact here that I don't think Gordon or David Hayes knew - I happened to be talking with the 2 individuals from Modified Mag while I was judging the cars. They started asking me the history/what was done with some particular cars. THEY DID NOT EVEN ASK ME ABOUT GORDON'S OR HAYE'S. I WENT OUT OF MY WAY to show them both of their cars - siting specific facts on the car's modifications, what I liked, why I thought it was original, and even going to the extent to offer them to speak to the car's owners. There exact words were "Thanks, but it's not what we're looking for".
Both Gordon and David Hayes simply cannot wrap their heads around the fact that some people just DON'T LIKE THEIR CARS! Just because you dump $150K+ into a car, doesn't mean it's going to be god's gift to the sports car world. And doesn't mean you're going to win every car show you go to. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that to build something special. Simple as that. The truth hurts.
And this, ladies and gentleman, is why BOTH Gordon & David Hayes still thinks the car show was "rigged". B/c their cars didn't win. See it's something that has been done for hundreds of thousands of years and it has served the human race well. It's this concept called voting. They act like 6 year old kids that have just gotten their McDonald's Happy Meals taken away.
Gordon: How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours time 10.
David Hayes: stop trying to get snake your out of this like you always do b/c you're no different.
09-24-13, 06:31 PM
#1454
Wow Gordon, you live in your own little world, don't you?
I don't want to side track Phil's thread but this needs to be said:
I was one of the car show judges at DGRR 2011. Phil asked me to be a judge. He needed help with the event and like past years I was always willing to help out. Phil explained that if my brother's car (Goodfellas) was in the running for anything - by the other judges -that I would swiftly step down and be replaced by another person - which obviously ended up happening.
Interestingly enough, Gordon originally wasn't going to come to DGRR 2011. Rich was able to convince him - telling him of the great times we have had years past. See before all of this Rich & Gordon were good friends. Funny Gordon, b/c how did you pay your way down to DGRR 2011? Factoring in gas, tolls, food, and lodging it can get expensive pretty quick. Oh yea that's right, you asked to borrow $750 from Rich b/c you weren't able to "move funds around quick enough". Rich being the stand up guy that we all know him as sent him the money without question.
Gordon, remember when your 3 rotor broke down right outside the tail of the dragon, who was there to help out?? While your incompetent self was scratching your head, Rich sacrificed his time to have fun running the Dragon with everyone else to try and help you out & diagnose the POS motor that you had.
On top of this Rich was also kind enough to use his Mazda compression tester - which IS NOT cheap - to compression test your motor. Which you wound up accidentally breaking.
Car Show:
Fun fact here that I don't think Gordon or David Hayes knew - I happened to be talking with the 2 individuals from Modified Mag while I was judging the cars. They started asking me the history/what was done with some particular cars. THEY DID NOT EVEN ASK ME ABOUT GORDON'S OR HAYE'S. I WENT OUT OF MY WAY to show them both of their cars - siting specific facts on the car's modifications, what I liked, why I thought it was original, and even going to the extent to offer them to speak to the car's owners. There exact words were "Thanks, but it's not what we're looking for".
Both Gordon and David Hayes simply cannot wrap their heads around the fact that some people just DON'T LIKE THEIR CARS! Just because you dump $150K+ into a car, doesn't mean it's going to be god's gift to the sports car world. And doesn't mean you're going to win every car show you go to. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that to build something special. Simple as that. The truth hurts.
And this, ladies and gentleman, is why BOTH Gordon & David Hayes still thinks the car show was "rigged". B/c their cars didn't win. See it's something that has been done for hundreds of thousands of years and it has served the human race well. It's this concept called voting. They act like 6 year old kids that have just gotten their McDonald's Happy Meals taken away.
Gordon: How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours time 10.
David Hayes: stop trying to get snake your out of this like you always do b/c you're no different.
I don't want to side track Phil's thread but this needs to be said:
I was one of the car show judges at DGRR 2011. Phil asked me to be a judge. He needed help with the event and like past years I was always willing to help out. Phil explained that if my brother's car (Goodfellas) was in the running for anything - by the other judges -that I would swiftly step down and be replaced by another person - which obviously ended up happening.
Interestingly enough, Gordon originally wasn't going to come to DGRR 2011. Rich was able to convince him - telling him of the great times we have had years past. See before all of this Rich & Gordon were good friends. Funny Gordon, b/c how did you pay your way down to DGRR 2011? Factoring in gas, tolls, food, and lodging it can get expensive pretty quick. Oh yea that's right, you asked to borrow $750 from Rich b/c you weren't able to "move funds around quick enough". Rich being the stand up guy that we all know him as sent him the money without question.
Gordon, remember when your 3 rotor broke down right outside the tail of the dragon, who was there to help out?? While your incompetent self was scratching your head, Rich sacrificed his time to have fun running the Dragon with everyone else to try and help you out & diagnose the POS motor that you had.
On top of this Rich was also kind enough to use his Mazda compression tester - which IS NOT cheap - to compression test your motor. Which you wound up accidentally breaking.
Car Show:
Fun fact here that I don't think Gordon or David Hayes knew - I happened to be talking with the 2 individuals from Modified Mag while I was judging the cars. They started asking me the history/what was done with some particular cars. THEY DID NOT EVEN ASK ME ABOUT GORDON'S OR HAYE'S. I WENT OUT OF MY WAY to show them both of their cars - siting specific facts on the car's modifications, what I liked, why I thought it was original, and even going to the extent to offer them to speak to the car's owners. There exact words were "Thanks, but it's not what we're looking for".
Both Gordon and David Hayes simply cannot wrap their heads around the fact that some people just DON'T LIKE THEIR CARS! Just because you dump $150K+ into a car, doesn't mean it's going to be god's gift to the sports car world. And doesn't mean you're going to win every car show you go to. There's a hell of a lot more to it than that to build something special. Simple as that. The truth hurts.
And this, ladies and gentleman, is why BOTH Gordon & David Hayes still thinks the car show was "rigged". B/c their cars didn't win. See it's something that has been done for hundreds of thousands of years and it has served the human race well. It's this concept called voting. They act like 6 year old kids that have just gotten their McDonald's Happy Meals taken away.
Gordon: How people treat you is their karma; how you react is yours time 10.
David Hayes: stop trying to get snake your out of this like you always do b/c you're no different.
x Zillion!
09-24-13, 06:42 PM
#1457
^ Again, please don't involve me in this. What else can I say but the truth, which is I haven't accused anyone of rigging any show? Please note these are not my comments that have set off this dialogue. I have no horse in the race here so to speak so don't judge me by something I didn't say.
Regarding my car, I've never asked for any special favors, nor have expected that everyone will like the car. I've built it for myself, as I suspect you've done for yourself as well. I've never hurled out any insults here on the forum and would ask for the same consideration in return.
Ryan, have I ever been anything but courteous to you or anyone else on the forum or in person? Even when I had my disagreement with the whole LED taillight debacle, you won't see any personal attacks from me. Ever. Go read through the thread if you'd like or do a search for my 10+ years of posts before making incorrect statements like the above.
And finally, if you feel I've wronged someone somehow, why not pm me with the details? I've been very transparent on all my communications, including those I had with Rich during the taillight saga. So, if you want to discuss it, let me know. That issue was 3 years ago and I've put it behind me and I'd ask you to do the same.
Regarding my car, I've never asked for any special favors, nor have expected that everyone will like the car. I've built it for myself, as I suspect you've done for yourself as well. I've never hurled out any insults here on the forum and would ask for the same consideration in return.
Ryan, have I ever been anything but courteous to you or anyone else on the forum or in person? Even when I had my disagreement with the whole LED taillight debacle, you won't see any personal attacks from me. Ever. Go read through the thread if you'd like or do a search for my 10+ years of posts before making incorrect statements like the above.
And finally, if you feel I've wronged someone somehow, why not pm me with the details? I've been very transparent on all my communications, including those I had with Rich during the taillight saga. So, if you want to discuss it, let me know. That issue was 3 years ago and I've put it behind me and I'd ask you to do the same.
09-24-13, 09:25 PM
#1462
you guys are way too serious about this stuff.
here's a twerk team video to ease your minds:
Twerk Team- #ThrowBackEdition - YouTube
here's a twerk team video to ease your minds:
Twerk Team- #ThrowBackEdition - YouTube
-J
09-25-13, 12:51 AM
#1464
In all seriousness. Who cares?
Let people say what they want to say. By replying, you're letting them win at their game.
I mean...if a child is annoying you, you just ignore them until they figure they're not getting your attention anymore...and then they move on to something else.
Let people say what they want to say. By replying, you're letting them win at their game.
I mean...if a child is annoying you, you just ignore them until they figure they're not getting your attention anymore...and then they move on to something else.
09-25-13, 07:41 AM
#1465
Meh, some of you have no idea because you haven't been dealing with it for 2.5 years. Regarding use of annoying child metaphor... Eventually, you will have to either put that child in time out or give some sort of punishment. Just ignoring and ignoring just shows they can get away with it.
09-25-13, 08:38 AM
#1467
Let me write you a story. For millennium New Year's Eve I was flying to NYC to celebrate with some of my college friends. One of my good friend had a place on the square and he left town to spend the New Years in Lake Tahoe. So, I had his place all to myself and few college friends (which was awesome as we had special access to time square). After boarding the flight, I stuffed my carry on bag in the nearest over head bins and sat in my seat. Few mins later 60+ year old couple get in the flight and the husband yells, "who's bag is this?" Taking my bag out of the over head. I reply back to him, "that's mine". He than hands me the bag and says, "it's in my bin". I was bit shocked and told him there is no such a thing as assigned bins in the flight. He ignores me and sits across from the isle. During the flight I'm trying to let it go. But the couple were so annoyingly loud and making my flight unpleasant. I began to think. At 60+, have they never flown before? Who taught them about assigned over head bins? Do they have children? Do their children also think the same way? I began to wonder how people at this point in their lives, 2-3 times older, and experienced, could possibly think and not know this. As we are flying over NYC, again this is pre 911.. The wife wanted to see the view of the city. Unfortunately it was best seen through my side of the window. I see her trying to take a peek, I lean forward to block her view, and said to her, "by the way, that's my window and you can't look through". She gave me this weird confused look and taps on her husband, both now looking at me. I than told Both of them, "I would think both of you who probably lived 30+ years longer than me should know there is no assigned bins. If you don't know that and you have children, I'm little sorry for them as they were raised by some ignorant parents". Both just turns away and never looked at my direction. As I was leaving the plane, several people who over heard me wanted to shake my hand and told me they were glad I said it. If you don't get the point of my story, sometimes you have to speak up. Sometimes you have to learn from what others did to you so you don't do that to others. Sometimes as I get older I have to remind myself I don't want to be that type of people. Now as a parent myself, I have to set a positive example. Was what I did 13 years ago a good thing? Those who sat around me and witnessed the whole thing thought so. Just as some of you who witnessed what's happening with me and Gordon also think so. Or just witnessed what Gordon did in general. Again, Gordon almost doubles my age. I've explained and stated to him I want nothing to do with him and asked to stay away from my event and threads. At this point I ask myself, should I be that young 'Herblenny' and try to teach a lesson? Blocking the view of the old lady trying to see the beautiful NYC? Or just let it go sit in my seat and wait til my flight is over.
09-25-13, 04:32 PM
#1468
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09-25-13, 06:00 PM
#1471
Let me write you a story. For millennium New Year's Eve I was flying to NYC to celebrate with some of my college friends. One of my good friend had a place on the square and he left town to spend the New Years in Lake Tahoe. So, I had his place all to myself and few college friends (which was awesome as we had special access to time square). After boarding the flight, I stuffed my carry on bag in the nearest over head bins and sat in my seat. Few mins later 60+ year old couple get in the flight and the husband yells, "who's bag is this?" Taking my bag out of the over head. I reply back to him, "that's mine". He than hands me the bag and says, "it's in my bin". I was bit shocked and told him there is no such a thing as assigned bins in the flight. He ignores me and sits across from the isle. During the flight I'm trying to let it go. But the couple were so annoyingly loud and making my flight unpleasant. I began to think. At 60+, have they never flown before? Who taught them about assigned over head bins? Do they have children? Do their children also think the same way? I began to wonder how people at this point in their lives, 2-3 times older, and experienced, could possibly think and not know this. As we are flying over NYC, again this is pre 911.. The wife wanted to see the view of the city. Unfortunately it was best seen through my side of the window. I see her trying to take a peek, I lean forward to block her view, and said to her, "by the way, that's my window and you can't look through". She gave me this weird confused look and taps on her husband, both now looking at me. I than told Both of them, "I would think both of you who probably lived 30+ years longer than me should know there is no assigned bins. If you don't know that and you have children, I'm little sorry for them as they were raised by some ignorant parents". Both just turns away and never looked at my direction. As I was leaving the plane, several people who over heard me wanted to shake my hand and told me they were glad I said it. If you don't get the point of my story, sometimes you have to speak up. Sometimes you have to learn from what others did to you so you don't do that to others. Sometimes as I get older I have to remind myself I don't want to be that type of people. Now as a parent myself, I have to set a positive example. Was what I did 13 years ago a good thing? Those who sat around me and witnessed the whole thing thought so. Just as some of you who witnessed what's happening with me and Gordon also think so. Or just witnessed what Gordon did in general. Again, Gordon almost doubles my age. I've explained and stated to him I want nothing to do with him and asked to stay away from my event and threads. At this point I ask myself, should I be that young 'Herblenny' and try to teach a lesson? Blocking the view of the old lady trying to see the beautiful NYC? Or just let it go sit in my seat and wait til my flight is over.
09-25-13, 07:59 PM
#1473
Originally Posted by gmonsen
It takes a long time to get a 20b running right.
Gordon
Gordon
Originally Posted by gmonsen
Jacob... Saw your comment in Phil's (herblenny) thread about his car not being a runner. Really put a smile on my face. Phil hates David Hayes and myself, because we caught them cheating on the DGRR car show in 2011. It was rigged for Rich (goodfella) to win best of show and we caught them at it. I try to be polite for the community's sake, but...
Gordon
Gordon
If have something to say at least have the decency to say it loud and clear so everyone can see and don’t edit it out…But no that wouldn’t fit the internet nice guy personality of “gmonsen” would it? Gordon hasn’t done anything to me personally, however he has taken a grudge/conspiracy theory and taken it above and beyond what anyone (who isn’t insane) would consider acceptable behavior. Your affliction has affected my friends, which in turn affects me, but I’m guilty by association anyway, right? At least that’s how you and your constituents view us, since we are incapable of having our own thoughts.
When you take your grudge outside the community and attack someone’s personal and professional life it makes me wonder what type of person you really are. It’s funny how connecting the dots can lead you to the big picture. Everything posted by Ryan and Phil are FACTS, which have been ignored for the last 2.5 years! It’s a car show. Do you need a trophy as validation for all the money you’ve thrown at your car in hopes of having your version of what the ultimate Rx-7? Guess what; there were cleaner cars, producing more HP than yours at rotorfest this year. I personally didn’t think your car deserved to win, but I didn’t go around telling people the show was rigged, nor do I really care. The JUDGES chose your car, that’s how a car show works. At DGRR (TWO YEARS AGO!)The guys from Modified Magazine chose Rich’s car for reasons already stated…it wasn’t rigged to win by “Team Rich Farrell”. For those who don’t know Gordon deemed Andy C. and myself (possibly others can’t remember) “Team Rich Farrell” after we also won trophies at DGRR 2011. Since we’re all friends the car show had to be rigged ya know? Sorry to disappoint but winning car shows isn’t on the top of my priority list. I was simply there having a good time with friends and the trophy was just that…A trophy.
I’m sure if Rich knew you’d throw a temper tantrum he wouldn’t have lent you the money to come in the first place. I’ve bit my tongue for long enough. As GorillaRE has stated this is the TIP of the iceberg and it’s not my place to expose any more of it since anything I say will be second hand information. Fortunately I’m entitled to my opinion… Well at least in this thread where it won’t be censored (more on that later)
Sure I have my disagreements with some people on the forum and in the rotary community, but I don’t think any of them would attack my personal life nor would I theirs. At least I don’t pretend to be someone I’m not to make people like me. I am who I am, you either like me or you don’t... This is a small community and most of us are here to have a good time, help others, hang out with fellow rotor heads and get away from the bullshit associated with our regular lives. Fortunately this community has people like Rich and Phil who are willing to take on the headaches associated with organizing the events we look forward to each year. They receive nothing in return and certainly do not deserve the bullshit they’ve had to deal with after DGRR 2011. Without events like DGRR it would be difficult to see friends from around the country.
Originally Posted by David Hayes
I have asked to have the reference to me removed but apparently that will not happen as per Rich's post. I've also directly contacted Phil on the matter. I'd like to ask again that the reference be removed as this is the "truth" regarding me on the situation. There is nothing else I can do and being caught in the middle of this for no reason makes me very sad and is, well not right.
You’re no angel either , but compared to Gordon you’re like Gandhi. Sure call the kettle black, I never claimed to be an angel and I sure as **** will tell you exactly what I’m thinking instead of talking behind your back and spreading rumors.
Originally Posted by David Hayes
I am a big supporter of DGRR but have chosen to not participate in the car show portion because of perceived issues like this which have become more common.
Originally Posted by David Hayes
In the end, this is just a car forum with many different personalities and opinions. I'd like to see all of us get past the issues and return to a more civil understanding community. Hope we can all make it happen.
Oh you mean people are entitled to their opinions? So long as it’s not a “personal attack” towards you correct? If you feel this way then why are you throwing a fit because someone else mentioned your name in a post? It’s because you want censorship and you want your name removed. Why do you even care? It’s not like you are a forum vendor and having your name mentioned in a post will affect your income or your quality of life for that matter. This is one of the main reasons IMO this forum is going down the tubes. It’s because of the censorship and people getting their feelings hurt too easily. Any car community will have its fair share of trash talking. This isn’t isolated to the Rx-7 club as talking **** has been going on since cars were invented and it’s mostly in good fun. People are entitled to their opinions and censorship is not the answer, it’s pushing people away and ruining the forum.
You’re making light of something you have no idea about. This isn’t a joke…for once.
The main reason I responded to this thread was to address Gordon and his actions. I think everyone deserves to know what he’s done, but that’s not for me to decide. David and I have don’t get along; which is fine and everyone knows that. I’m not posting to stir up the issues we’ve had in the past, but this censorship crap is getting old. I’ve spent enough time typing out my thoughts in a comprehensible manner. Sorry Phil If I’ve cluttered your thread my blabbering.
-Dan
09-25-13, 08:57 PM
#1475
Ignore my posts...I was just joking around but it came across dickish
Phil puts countless hours into setting up an event for us all to enjoy. What would he benefit from rigging an event? Did anyone get paid for a mag article? G missed his chance to be in a magazine this April.
Gordon,
All you do on here is stir **** up . Just go away.
Phil puts countless hours into setting up an event for us all to enjoy. What would he benefit from rigging an event? Did anyone get paid for a mag article? G missed his chance to be in a magazine this April.
Gordon,
All you do on here is stir **** up . Just go away.
Last edited by allrotor93; 09-25-13 at 09:06 PM.