The Monsterbox 4 Rotor
#1726
Rotor Head Extreme
iTrader: (8)
It ruins weight distribution not in a static front weight versus rear weight sense (as that can and has been dealt with by moving components to the rear of the car).
It ruins weight distribution in the dynamic sense (how weight distribution affects vehicle movement) by moving weight toward the extreme ends of the car, so increasing the polar moment of inertia.
It ruins weight distribution in the dynamic sense (how weight distribution affects vehicle movement) by moving weight toward the extreme ends of the car, so increasing the polar moment of inertia.
#1727
Built Not Bought
iTrader: (14)
I don't think it's made that big of a difference on this car. Yes a barbel would be extremely sensitive. The car is a different scale. It's not like he put 500lbs in front of the front wheels and behind the rear wheels. I bet it handles as well as any typical street FD, or better due to the suspension set up and corner balancing.
#1728
Thanks guys for the explanation,
I'm really not too worried about it. I just have this feeling. The damn thing is like a time machine at 18psi. So whatever negatives we have with turning/nimbleness will be made up in corner exit / straightaway power. We're definitely anticipating understeer vs an OEM rx7
Finally getting around to putting the rear back together, liking these new spacers and aggressive stance
I'm really not too worried about it. I just have this feeling. The damn thing is like a time machine at 18psi. So whatever negatives we have with turning/nimbleness will be made up in corner exit / straightaway power. We're definitely anticipating understeer vs an OEM rx7
Finally getting around to putting the rear back together, liking these new spacers and aggressive stance
#1729
Rotary Motoring
iTrader: (9)
Not every blazing fast track car has the handling balance of an FD.
Plenty of absolute track weapon Subarus and Audis and they have the entire engine ~6" or so in front of the front axle (and all the associated handling issues).
Even some super/hyper cars are purposefully set-up for high speed stability at the expense of low speed handling balance.
Miata analogy is a good one; very few cars have the balance or nimbleness of whatever the newest Miata/MX5 is at the time, but there are many, many faster cars at the track than a Miata.
Plenty of absolute track weapon Subarus and Audis and they have the entire engine ~6" or so in front of the front axle (and all the associated handling issues).
Even some super/hyper cars are purposefully set-up for high speed stability at the expense of low speed handling balance.
Miata analogy is a good one; very few cars have the balance or nimbleness of whatever the newest Miata/MX5 is at the time, but there are many, many faster cars at the track than a Miata.
#1730
Brake backing plates for ducting.
Now, proceeding to do front wheel studs, and install the plates,
Then onto the master cylinder brake booster delete. Upgrading to 0.81" manual master cylinder, PTFE Lines. Installing Big Brake Kit next week
Car goes back to fabricator in 3 weeks for new downpipe. Simple 5>4" side exit with titanium tip. This will be a track option "race" pipe, that i'll use to remove the full exhaust and cut out system to drop weight under the car/risk of fire out of the back, gain ground clearance, and will save probably 100lbs in weight. Before you say this is unsafe or not legal, it is. Road Atlanta and Barber do no have sound ordinance, and I've already contacted GTA about the side exit in the front fender. Its legal.
Last edited by Monsterbox; 02-19-19 at 01:13 PM.
#1735
worked my dick off last night, drilling into the tube core-support with a 90 degree drill. Upgraded the splitter rods on the corners to these direct rods straight to the core support. Going to come back and place 1/8" steel plate on the underside of the splitter to add surface/area load distribution for each rod attachment. Even now, its 10x more solid. I want to be able to not only stand on it, but stand on it and jump up and down.
#1737
-Test fitted brakes last night,
To do:
-Waiting on ARP studs for the driver side. Then to final installation. Lock-tite all of the bolts for the two-piece hats, and bracket bolts.
-bleed brake system with Castrol SRF, highest boiling point out there, check for leaks/line quality
-wire up front ABS sensor to ECU for traction-control/ignition retard
-wire up LED strip lighting in underside of oil cooler duct opening to function as new DRL
-wire up single LED for blinker in bumper, between oil cooler opening and turn signal
-replace tie rod ends with bump steer adjustable ends to compensate for rumble strips (possibly)
-get car over to Walker Morgan for race track test pipe fabrication, so we can delete the cut-out/full exhaust system and save weight/heat, fender exit only
-corner-weight/ride height adjustment at race division
-alignment at race division
-get back on dyno to check tune/leaks/etc, turn boost down to 10psi (600hp) level for control/safety
-install fire suppression
-Import Alliance, End of March
-Switch to DTC70/60 pads, test run beginning of April, Barber Motorsports
-re-evaluate changes
-Prep for Global Time Attack, Road ATL May
Question is if I should add an accusump to the trunk
To do:
-Waiting on ARP studs for the driver side. Then to final installation. Lock-tite all of the bolts for the two-piece hats, and bracket bolts.
-bleed brake system with Castrol SRF, highest boiling point out there, check for leaks/line quality
-wire up front ABS sensor to ECU for traction-control/ignition retard
-wire up LED strip lighting in underside of oil cooler duct opening to function as new DRL
-wire up single LED for blinker in bumper, between oil cooler opening and turn signal
-replace tie rod ends with bump steer adjustable ends to compensate for rumble strips (possibly)
-get car over to Walker Morgan for race track test pipe fabrication, so we can delete the cut-out/full exhaust system and save weight/heat, fender exit only
-corner-weight/ride height adjustment at race division
-alignment at race division
-get back on dyno to check tune/leaks/etc, turn boost down to 10psi (600hp) level for control/safety
-install fire suppression
-Import Alliance, End of March
-Switch to DTC70/60 pads, test run beginning of April, Barber Motorsports
-re-evaluate changes
-Prep for Global Time Attack, Road ATL May
Question is if I should add an accusump to the trunk
#1743
Update:
So i've been side tracked this week with my day job, haven't had much chance to finish the car. However, I did pull the brakes back off and decided to remove all the dust boots after doing more road racing research. When you push brakes really far and hot, its almost a guarantee that the dust boots, which cover the pistons, will melt. This will leave residue/rubber on the back side of the pads and gum up the pistons. Since this car won't be seeing much daily driving time, there shouldn't be any issue with the boots removed. I was advised to just clean the pistons before depressing them when changing pads and all will be fine.
Reinstalling the brakes tonight, and finally bleeding the system with the SRF. Then we'll be doing a tape line around the car and working on ride height/corner weighting and alignment all weekend.
Also went ahead and picked up 1.5 quart accumulator which I'll be mounting in the hatch with a 10an feeding a sandwhich plate at the engine. Can't be too safe!
Doing some research on fire suppression systems. Still not sure exactly what's best, but i'm thinking 4 liter tank, passenger floor board, 2 nozzles ****-pit, 2 nozzles over the exhaust manifold downpipe area
So i've been side tracked this week with my day job, haven't had much chance to finish the car. However, I did pull the brakes back off and decided to remove all the dust boots after doing more road racing research. When you push brakes really far and hot, its almost a guarantee that the dust boots, which cover the pistons, will melt. This will leave residue/rubber on the back side of the pads and gum up the pistons. Since this car won't be seeing much daily driving time, there shouldn't be any issue with the boots removed. I was advised to just clean the pistons before depressing them when changing pads and all will be fine.
Reinstalling the brakes tonight, and finally bleeding the system with the SRF. Then we'll be doing a tape line around the car and working on ride height/corner weighting and alignment all weekend.
Also went ahead and picked up 1.5 quart accumulator which I'll be mounting in the hatch with a 10an feeding a sandwhich plate at the engine. Can't be too safe!
Doing some research on fire suppression systems. Still not sure exactly what's best, but i'm thinking 4 liter tank, passenger floor board, 2 nozzles ****-pit, 2 nozzles over the exhaust manifold downpipe area
#1744
Plan is to get all of this stuff sorted this weekend and next week. Leaving only Fire Suppression as the last thing to finish up. Then the car will go to Walker, the same fabricator who performed the equal length manifold. He'll be making a short 5 to 4 transition downpipe which will directly side exit. This will be a "track" pipe. So that I can ditch the cut out system and full exhaust, just for the race track. Should save about 70-80lbs and MAJOR heat reduction. The heat will no longer soak into the trans/tunnel passenger area, will no longer heat up the transmission pan, and less fire risk/burning wires/hoses/fuel at the rear of the car. This thing shoots dangerous fireballs, and for long periods. Can't risk that fire updrafting off the back of the car and melting the bumper. The air passing along side of the car should push away the side exit flames safely however.
#1747
Full Member
iTrader: (2)
Gotcha, I'm planning on adding a 3 qt accusump along with a manual valve. The hard part is relocating the valve so that driver can easily access during startup/shutdown. I would like to stick the tank in the trunk somewhere as well. Curious to see where you place all that.
#1748
Gotcha, I'm planning on adding a 3 qt accusump along with a manual valve. The hard part is relocating the valve so that driver can easily access during startup/shutdown. I would like to stick the tank in the trunk somewhere as well. Curious to see where you place all that.
I do not believe it will be necessary to open/close the valve with each run. Only when sitting for very long periods of time, would it really be beneficial to have the "pre-oil" charge. I will likely just leave it open at all time.
#1749
If Abel is coming back out to test tune the car, please stress to him not to drive through lean spots in the map like he did the whole time he tuned the car the 1st time, it was ruthless to me and was pissing me off lol.
#1750
The bomb is in the toy!1!
iTrader: (4)
From Canton's website:
For race applications that are installing an Accusump to address a low oil pressure concern, the options are similar, but different. The same manual ball valve options mentioned above can be used in these oil pressure control situations. As before these valves are the simplest and most straight forward in operation and installation. However, unlike when being used for pre-oiling only, the simplicity of the manual valve limits its performance when protecting against oil pressure surges. Being totally open all the time the manual valve will discharge oil any time there is any drop in pressure. The valve makes no distinction between a small insignificant drop in pressure and the big drop in pressure that you put the unit in to protect against. That means you might reach that tight corner or deceleration zone with less pressure in the Accusump due to the unit discharging some of its oil before you got there.
For those that want the most protection, The EPC (Electric Pressure Control) Valve addresses this "premature discharge" by providing a "smart" valve that will hold the Accusump's max pressure until the moment you need it. In addition to increasing pressure drop protection, the EPC valve's "smart" operation ensures your Accusump will not discharge extra oil in the pan that may creating windage and causing parasitic power loss. Both of these situations make the EPC valve a must have for the track.
For race applications that are installing an Accusump to address a low oil pressure concern, the options are similar, but different. The same manual ball valve options mentioned above can be used in these oil pressure control situations. As before these valves are the simplest and most straight forward in operation and installation. However, unlike when being used for pre-oiling only, the simplicity of the manual valve limits its performance when protecting against oil pressure surges. Being totally open all the time the manual valve will discharge oil any time there is any drop in pressure. The valve makes no distinction between a small insignificant drop in pressure and the big drop in pressure that you put the unit in to protect against. That means you might reach that tight corner or deceleration zone with less pressure in the Accusump due to the unit discharging some of its oil before you got there.
For those that want the most protection, The EPC (Electric Pressure Control) Valve addresses this "premature discharge" by providing a "smart" valve that will hold the Accusump's max pressure until the moment you need it. In addition to increasing pressure drop protection, the EPC valve's "smart" operation ensures your Accusump will not discharge extra oil in the pan that may creating windage and causing parasitic power loss. Both of these situations make the EPC valve a must have for the track.