Mannykillers/ AAPARKAH Street/time Attack/Drift Build (heavy Pics) #Thisisthewolf
07-11-14, 03:32 PM
#2027
Congrats dude, it takes a lot of time and effort well let's be honest a lot of blood sweat and cussin at it too lmao but I'm sure your gonna love this new set-up, she definitely sounds unique and that's great that the over boost didn't cause any issues. This makes me more excited to use E85 for a race fuel
07-12-14, 03:33 AM
#2029
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Am I missing something about the Touring model? Does it have a bigger fuel tank than the other models? I have a 94 Touring and I've put almost 20 gallons in before, but I figured that was normal.
Man I love these turbos. It looks like yours spools just as fast as my 7670. This makes me think I need to step up a size lol.
Man I love these turbos. It looks like yours spools just as fast as my 7670. This makes me think I need to step up a size lol.
07-12-14, 03:56 PM
#2030
Racing Rotary Since 1983
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according to Mazda fuel capacity in all models is... 20 gallons.
Aaron, did you use to tank drain to zero your fuel? if not, maybe your gauge is off and you had 5 gallons of gas on board which could explain your lower E content.
hc
Aaron, did you use to tank drain to zero your fuel? if not, maybe your gauge is off and you had 5 gallons of gas on board which could explain your lower E content.
hc
07-12-14, 04:39 PM
#2031
Thanks for all the kind words guys. I'm exited to get the car in line mechanically. I feel like ethanol makes tuning the easy part.
Eric, I've been meaning to chat with you man! Hope all is well and we'll catch up soon.
Removed the gate and everything seems to be working just fine now. Maybe it was just because it was new? Either way, its on my radar. Going to re check my lines tomorrow night. Stay tuned guys!
More updates soon!
07-12-14, 07:03 PM
#2032
Test the waste gates with air pressure and a gauge attached in-line to make sure of the spring pressure and functionality. If I had to guess, I would say that they are hooked up incorrectly or the setup in the boost controller is wrong.
There is more than one way to hook up the signal and pressure lines to the gates. Depending on the gate size, how efficient, turbo size and its ability to make boost as well as the desired boost level, the way the lines are ran can make a big difference on controlling or not controlling boost pressure.
-J
There is more than one way to hook up the signal and pressure lines to the gates. Depending on the gate size, how efficient, turbo size and its ability to make boost as well as the desired boost level, the way the lines are ran can make a big difference on controlling or not controlling boost pressure.
-J
07-15-14, 04:24 PM
#2033
No way..... for the my entire build have I thought my tank was 15gal...haha. Must've read some bogus material wayyy early on. You know, I also thought r1's had smaller 12 gal tanks. That explains everything. Good news is I pass the ethanol station everyday on my way to work.
07-17-14, 01:20 PM
#2035
Big Update: "Taming The Wolf"
Well After the last dyno session I learned a few things. The first being....that tiny little thought that jumps to my mind.....is a necessary issue that I should visit and take care of. After a while...all the little things that you've done to the car sometimes stick in your mind. I like to think of it as a sort of 6th sense..... It's all experience based and I really think it only comes from building your own car. But anyways....I had a couple issues to sort and the first was ......"why was the car overboosting."
Well I started the car once I was home......and could see that only the front WG was actually working on free rev. SO I pulled the gate off and inspected it.... It looked fine. I pressed my thumb hard on the gate and it cracked open. Maybe it was just the fact that it was brand new and hadn't really seen any real boost? I don't know. But I re-installed everything and started the car..... Free rev'd and both gates were opening at the same time no problem.
So I made logged a pull up to 4500rpm.....and still OVER-boost. Pulled back into the garage. Ran through all my WG lines... Cleaned thema ll out... Made sure my solenoid was working with the car off....No problem there... But I was using the EFR supplied solenoid.. So I re-visited Andy's (Adaptronic) boost control set up video. Everything looked set up exactly as instructed. So I made another pull......and same thing... OVER Boost!!
Well after 4 hours I was on the edge of throwing my tools against the wall...But instead I took a quick break and went and got some lunch.
Came back and opened the BW EFR training manual. The manual shows that the EBC solenoid was wired and routed correctly. So I was going ever everything in my mind and my MAC valve was set up routing wise.....differently. The instructions looked like it was the same... So I simply set up the EFR solenoid exactly like the Mac valve should've been set up. So if your looking at the EFR... the inlet port from the compressor is all the way to the right. The VENT in the training manual says it's to the far Left...and the middle port is hooked up to gates. WEll thats wrong......at least when running dual gates....(dont know why that would change anything) But it did. Because I swapped the "Vent" with the outlet port and BAM PERFECT BOOST CONTROL.
So as it is now...Inlet port is far right (when looking directly at the EFR from the front) VENT port is the middle port that is pointed directly at you. And the outlet port is Far Left facing the passeger side of the car.
So now that the EBC was working...... I pulled the gates off and went back to my 14lbs WG springs.
After that was figured out......It was time to hit the dyno again. Scheduled an appointment at Lucky Seven Racing in Duarte for 7:30 on Wed the 16th...
Loaded up the car... loading problems
If I don't use these 2x4's the bash bar hits the edge of the trailer and I can't get up...
Drove down last night and stopped at the Chevron in Sylmar for some more E85. I should've drained the tank since I only went through about 5 gallons since the last dyno session. But I didnt... Filled 5.1 gallons of fresh Ethanol..... content was now up to E73......from E62. Better....but Either way...Still Safe....just not optimal. But it'd work.
So I unlaoded the car and got it strapped to the dyno. Everything working perfectly.... Abel Ibarra smoothed the Map a bit and we hit it. First pull made 430whp. Second pull...Abel Worked his magic on the map again... Second pull made 20 More whp at 450WHp...... And by the 3rd Pull We were at 18Lbs of boost controlled electronically and we had started messing with Duty cycle.... So instead of Messing with it further and paying more $$$ for more dyno RnD time... We decided to make a few more pulls just to smooth the map further and Not worry about power. Final Numbers are 462 WHP and 379 Ft Lbs of Tq. The EFR is so responsive it almost feels N/A..but better!!! I'm in love guys and its soooo smooth. Here is the Dyno Video...
If anyone knows how to embed the video on here please feel free to repost!!! it would be much appreciated!
Now The dyno chart is a bit off because we started the pull late instead of 100% TPS at a lower RPM to get a full Accurate pull But were going to see if Lucky seven can send the print out of the Last dyno pull. But just to get you guys a nice idea.....here is a Shot of one of our pulls messing with the EBC settings..20lbs at 4K RPM!! And I think we can do better by messing with the Duty Cycle!
Right before we started!!
Anyways, were going to be doing some road tuning just to progress further....but I'm just really grateful I have such a good tuner, and such good friends. I have to thank Elliot White at Turblown/Turbosource and Abel Ibarra for making me stick it out.....and Sticking with me through some rougher patches, and Andy From adaptronic for all the hours of countless conversations about set up and just life in general. And not that they would hear much from it....but to Borg Warner for developing such an incredible Turbo. I would Highly recommend going with an 8374 Internally gated turbo OR externally gated turbo on a Turblown Twin scroll Manifold. The car Rips beyond Anything i've ever felt before....and the dyno Video is a good example of how quickly the turbo comes on ....you can just hear it...and my turblown twin scroll manifold holds perfect boost at 18lbs. I'm over joyed...... The motor is Solid.. SO thanks to Howard Coleman for such a great keg!
More updates soon as I'll be getting the car ready for the Track!!! Thanks for all the support guys!!
Stay Tuned!!!
Well After the last dyno session I learned a few things. The first being....that tiny little thought that jumps to my mind.....is a necessary issue that I should visit and take care of. After a while...all the little things that you've done to the car sometimes stick in your mind. I like to think of it as a sort of 6th sense..... It's all experience based and I really think it only comes from building your own car. But anyways....I had a couple issues to sort and the first was ......"why was the car overboosting."
Well I started the car once I was home......and could see that only the front WG was actually working on free rev. SO I pulled the gate off and inspected it.... It looked fine. I pressed my thumb hard on the gate and it cracked open. Maybe it was just the fact that it was brand new and hadn't really seen any real boost? I don't know. But I re-installed everything and started the car..... Free rev'd and both gates were opening at the same time no problem.
So I made logged a pull up to 4500rpm.....and still OVER-boost. Pulled back into the garage. Ran through all my WG lines... Cleaned thema ll out... Made sure my solenoid was working with the car off....No problem there... But I was using the EFR supplied solenoid.. So I re-visited Andy's (Adaptronic) boost control set up video. Everything looked set up exactly as instructed. So I made another pull......and same thing... OVER Boost!!
Well after 4 hours I was on the edge of throwing my tools against the wall...But instead I took a quick break and went and got some lunch.
Came back and opened the BW EFR training manual. The manual shows that the EBC solenoid was wired and routed correctly. So I was going ever everything in my mind and my MAC valve was set up routing wise.....differently. The instructions looked like it was the same... So I simply set up the EFR solenoid exactly like the Mac valve should've been set up. So if your looking at the EFR... the inlet port from the compressor is all the way to the right. The VENT in the training manual says it's to the far Left...and the middle port is hooked up to gates. WEll thats wrong......at least when running dual gates....(dont know why that would change anything) But it did. Because I swapped the "Vent" with the outlet port and BAM PERFECT BOOST CONTROL.
So as it is now...Inlet port is far right (when looking directly at the EFR from the front) VENT port is the middle port that is pointed directly at you. And the outlet port is Far Left facing the passeger side of the car.
So now that the EBC was working...... I pulled the gates off and went back to my 14lbs WG springs.
After that was figured out......It was time to hit the dyno again. Scheduled an appointment at Lucky Seven Racing in Duarte for 7:30 on Wed the 16th...
Loaded up the car... loading problems
If I don't use these 2x4's the bash bar hits the edge of the trailer and I can't get up...
Drove down last night and stopped at the Chevron in Sylmar for some more E85. I should've drained the tank since I only went through about 5 gallons since the last dyno session. But I didnt... Filled 5.1 gallons of fresh Ethanol..... content was now up to E73......from E62. Better....but Either way...Still Safe....just not optimal. But it'd work.
So I unlaoded the car and got it strapped to the dyno. Everything working perfectly.... Abel Ibarra smoothed the Map a bit and we hit it. First pull made 430whp. Second pull...Abel Worked his magic on the map again... Second pull made 20 More whp at 450WHp...... And by the 3rd Pull We were at 18Lbs of boost controlled electronically and we had started messing with Duty cycle.... So instead of Messing with it further and paying more $$$ for more dyno RnD time... We decided to make a few more pulls just to smooth the map further and Not worry about power. Final Numbers are 462 WHP and 379 Ft Lbs of Tq. The EFR is so responsive it almost feels N/A..but better!!! I'm in love guys and its soooo smooth. Here is the Dyno Video...
If anyone knows how to embed the video on here please feel free to repost!!! it would be much appreciated!
Now The dyno chart is a bit off because we started the pull late instead of 100% TPS at a lower RPM to get a full Accurate pull But were going to see if Lucky seven can send the print out of the Last dyno pull. But just to get you guys a nice idea.....here is a Shot of one of our pulls messing with the EBC settings..20lbs at 4K RPM!! And I think we can do better by messing with the Duty Cycle!
Right before we started!!
Anyways, were going to be doing some road tuning just to progress further....but I'm just really grateful I have such a good tuner, and such good friends. I have to thank Elliot White at Turblown/Turbosource and Abel Ibarra for making me stick it out.....and Sticking with me through some rougher patches, and Andy From adaptronic for all the hours of countless conversations about set up and just life in general. And not that they would hear much from it....but to Borg Warner for developing such an incredible Turbo. I would Highly recommend going with an 8374 Internally gated turbo OR externally gated turbo on a Turblown Twin scroll Manifold. The car Rips beyond Anything i've ever felt before....and the dyno Video is a good example of how quickly the turbo comes on ....you can just hear it...and my turblown twin scroll manifold holds perfect boost at 18lbs. I'm over joyed...... The motor is Solid.. SO thanks to Howard Coleman for such a great keg!
More updates soon as I'll be getting the car ready for the Track!!! Thanks for all the support guys!!
Stay Tuned!!!
07-17-14, 04:41 PM
#2038
i am also in love with my EFR turbo. (the simpler internal wastegate setup though).
too bad we don't have a 12psi dyno to compare our power levels! i think my #s are 338 / 285 @ 12 psi (382/321 dynojet) on gasoline, so they sound like they're about in line with yours on a dynojet and e85 (like if we both had a 12psi run to compare). i just don't wanna turn the boost up
that dual wastegate setup will also keep the downpipe/exhaust much cooler because so much of the exhaust is "wasted" out of the wastegate dumps.
this setup should do very well at the track. well, other than the wheels sticking out multiple inches
too bad we don't have a 12psi dyno to compare our power levels! i think my #s are 338 / 285 @ 12 psi (382/321 dynojet) on gasoline, so they sound like they're about in line with yours on a dynojet and e85 (like if we both had a 12psi run to compare). i just don't wanna turn the boost up
that dual wastegate setup will also keep the downpipe/exhaust much cooler because so much of the exhaust is "wasted" out of the wastegate dumps.
this setup should do very well at the track. well, other than the wheels sticking out multiple inches
07-17-14, 09:25 PM
#2040
i am also in love with my EFR turbo. (the simpler internal wastegate setup though).
too bad we don't have a 12psi dyno to compare our power levels! i think my #s are 338 / 285 @ 12 psi (382/321 dynojet) on gasoline, so they sound like they're about in line with yours on a dynojet and e85 (like if we both had a 12psi run to compare). i just don't wanna turn the boost up
that dual wastegate setup will also keep the downpipe/exhaust much cooler because so much of the exhaust is "wasted" out of the wastegate dumps.
this setup should do very well at the track. well, other than the wheels sticking out multiple inches
too bad we don't have a 12psi dyno to compare our power levels! i think my #s are 338 / 285 @ 12 psi (382/321 dynojet) on gasoline, so they sound like they're about in line with yours on a dynojet and e85 (like if we both had a 12psi run to compare). i just don't wanna turn the boost up
that dual wastegate setup will also keep the downpipe/exhaust much cooler because so much of the exhaust is "wasted" out of the wastegate dumps.
this setup should do very well at the track. well, other than the wheels sticking out multiple inches
07-18-14, 04:53 PM
#2044
Thanks guys! Armen...I was trying to get ahold of you fmto Get to lucky seven to come watch!
Actually yes jacob. I'm kinda waiting on some tires and more importantly .....sway bar brackets. I guess I could try to wells mine back together.But that's a bit ghetto...they'd probably crack. Car feel horrible without a front sway...I hate it. Also need done 225´s up front and a couple more sets of rears. 245/45
Actually yes jacob. I'm kinda waiting on some tires and more importantly .....sway bar brackets. I guess I could try to wells mine back together.But that's a bit ghetto...they'd probably crack. Car feel horrible without a front sway...I hate it. Also need done 225´s up front and a couple more sets of rears. 245/45
07-22-14, 08:34 AM
#2048
Pistons are for pussy's
Finally Aaron, all those late night ours, dissapointments and bad moments payd off! Congrats on an awsome car and hope from now on its just pure enjoyment.
