Kilo Racing 3 Rotor FD Conversion
09-29-04, 09:46 AM
#301
Why do the 20B conversion?
I have owned my FD since 1994 when I bought it new (it was a gift to myself for meeting several business objectives I established at my then fledgling software company).
I have always loved the FD and its performance. Thought about selling it in 2000 but decided instead to keep it because of its classic looks. So, I began modifications to the car. I was pleased with the mods I had on my 13b and got about 320 RWHP at 12.5 PSI. The car was definately fun to drive.
However, I'm the kind of person that is always looking for something different and unique. When I read about the Pettit Banzai and was intriqued with the 3 rotor. Then had a chance to ride in Cam's car and was sold. The immediate availablity of much higher levels of torque impressed me and the overall performance was amazing. After this experience, I told myself that when I got the opportunity, I'd do the conversion. The opportunity happened recently when I sold my software company (www.tempus.com).
Yes, you can definately mod your 13b to get great RWHP but you can't match the torque available in the 20B. And I happen like both. I also happen to like the uniqueness of the 3 rotor and after all, isn't this why we buy FDs or modify our cars? To have something different than the masses?
Yes, the $35K is a lot of money but from my perspective, it's worth it and that's what it is all about!
I have owned my FD since 1994 when I bought it new (it was a gift to myself for meeting several business objectives I established at my then fledgling software company).
I have always loved the FD and its performance. Thought about selling it in 2000 but decided instead to keep it because of its classic looks. So, I began modifications to the car. I was pleased with the mods I had on my 13b and got about 320 RWHP at 12.5 PSI. The car was definately fun to drive.
However, I'm the kind of person that is always looking for something different and unique. When I read about the Pettit Banzai and was intriqued with the 3 rotor. Then had a chance to ride in Cam's car and was sold. The immediate availablity of much higher levels of torque impressed me and the overall performance was amazing. After this experience, I told myself that when I got the opportunity, I'd do the conversion. The opportunity happened recently when I sold my software company (www.tempus.com).
Yes, you can definately mod your 13b to get great RWHP but you can't match the torque available in the 20B. And I happen like both. I also happen to like the uniqueness of the 3 rotor and after all, isn't this why we buy FDs or modify our cars? To have something different than the masses?
Yes, the $35K is a lot of money but from my perspective, it's worth it and that's what it is all about!
09-29-04, 10:52 AM
#302
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Originally Posted by MichaelFregoe
You know what? This guy is having a 20 B Pettit conversion done to his car. Good for him! Cameron Worth is doing it and he is arguably the best RX-7 tuner / mechanic around. Cam's street tire car ran in the high 9's at one point. (I have seen the time slip). The Banzi conversation weights about the same or better than same as the 13BREW did when new. The converted car will scream, have more torque and be simpler all around. Best of luck with the conversion and let us know how long it takes and how you are satisfied when you get it back.
09-29-04, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
Why do the 20B conversion?
I have owned my FD since 1994 when I bought it new (it was a gift to myself for meeting several business objectives I established at my then fledgling software company).
I have always loved the FD and its performance. Thought about selling it in 2000 but decided instead to keep it because of its classic looks. So, I began modifications to the car. I was pleased with the mods I had on my 13b and got about 320 RWHP at 12.5 PSI. The car was definately fun to drive.
However, I'm the kind of person that is always looking for something different and unique. When I read about the Pettit Banzai and was intriqued with the 3 rotor. Then had a chance to ride in Cam's car and was sold. The immediate availablity of much higher levels of torque impressed me and the overall performance was amazing. After this experience, I told myself that when I got the opportunity, I'd do the conversion. The opportunity happened recently when I sold my software company (www.tempus.com).
Yes, you can definately mod your 13b to get great RWHP but you can't match the torque available in the 20B. And I happen like both. I also happen to like the uniqueness of the 3 rotor and after all, isn't this why we buy FDs or modify our cars? To have something different than the masses?
Yes, the $35K is a lot of money but from my perspective, it's worth it and that's what it is all about!
I have owned my FD since 1994 when I bought it new (it was a gift to myself for meeting several business objectives I established at my then fledgling software company).
I have always loved the FD and its performance. Thought about selling it in 2000 but decided instead to keep it because of its classic looks. So, I began modifications to the car. I was pleased with the mods I had on my 13b and got about 320 RWHP at 12.5 PSI. The car was definately fun to drive.
However, I'm the kind of person that is always looking for something different and unique. When I read about the Pettit Banzai and was intriqued with the 3 rotor. Then had a chance to ride in Cam's car and was sold. The immediate availablity of much higher levels of torque impressed me and the overall performance was amazing. After this experience, I told myself that when I got the opportunity, I'd do the conversion. The opportunity happened recently when I sold my software company (www.tempus.com).
Yes, you can definately mod your 13b to get great RWHP but you can't match the torque available in the 20B. And I happen like both. I also happen to like the uniqueness of the 3 rotor and after all, isn't this why we buy FDs or modify our cars? To have something different than the masses?
Yes, the $35K is a lot of money but from my perspective, it's worth it and that's what it is all about!
(at least thats how I rationalize it). and if that doesnt work, i bring out the "you'll only live once" argument. -heath
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09-29-04, 01:11 PM
#304
20B conversion
Must say that's how I sold it to my wife. Honey, a Porsche (actually in my case it was the new Aston Martin AMV8) is a lot more than $35K! It's a bargain, right?
She actually saw right through this argument, but said go ahead anyway!
She actually saw right through this argument, but said go ahead anyway!
10-04-04, 11:00 AM
#305
Twin Turbo LSX
I agree. It's your money, do what you want with it.
I like rotaries a lot, but prefered to do a turbo/LS1 swap this time around.
I hear plenty of crap from rotards about it. Do I care what they think? Absolutely not.
Keep us updated David.
I like rotaries a lot, but prefered to do a turbo/LS1 swap this time around.
I hear plenty of crap from rotards about it. Do I care what they think? Absolutely not.
Keep us updated David.
10-07-04, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
Still waiting on the Wolf EMS to arrive. Chris, where the heck is it?
10-07-04, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
Must say that's how I sold it to my wife. Honey, a Porsche (actually in my case it was the new Aston Martin AMV8) is a lot more than $35K! It's a bargain, right?
You clearly have good taste. I think the AMV8 is a fantastic looking car, but it's not very powerful, and as of last week they're still at least a year off. In the end I think the 3-rotor will be a lot more fun.
On a side note, a friend of mine recently spoke to the AM factory about shoe horning a Vanquish motor into the AMV8. Apparently they weren't opposed to doing it, but said it would cost him about 2x what you're paying for the 3 rotor conversion!
10-07-04, 07:02 PM
#309
jimlab,
the Wolf is what Cam selected. He's tuned the unit before so he felt it was a good choice. I pretty much left it up to him to pick. Thought the Wolf was supposed to arrive last week - still waiting.
I love the looks of the AMV8 - almost had the same emotional reaction to it as when I first saw an FD. Haven't seen the performance specs on the car though, was pretty much going by its looks.
Heck, I can do the 3 rotor conversion, drive it for a year or so and then look into the AMV8 if the urge is still there. FYI - attached are a few pics of the Aston Martin.
the Wolf is what Cam selected. He's tuned the unit before so he felt it was a good choice. I pretty much left it up to him to pick. Thought the Wolf was supposed to arrive last week - still waiting.
I love the looks of the AMV8 - almost had the same emotional reaction to it as when I first saw an FD. Haven't seen the performance specs on the car though, was pretty much going by its looks.
Heck, I can do the 3 rotor conversion, drive it for a year or so and then look into the AMV8 if the urge is still there. FYI - attached are a few pics of the Aston Martin.
10-07-04, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by David Hayes
jimlab,
the Wolf is what Cam selected.
the Wolf is what Cam selected.
I love the looks of the AMV8
10-07-04, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
OK, I thought you'd mentioned a different engine management system earlier in the thread, but didn't want to go searching for it.
I could do without the "harelip" grill myself.
I could do without the "harelip" grill myself.
^the AMV8 sort of reminds me of butthead
...i dont know maybe thats just me -heath.
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10-07-04, 09:24 PM
#314
Super Snuggles
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Actually Jim, I believe the proper term is "cleft lip." 
"A congenital abnormality in which there is a cleft or split in the upper lip. The condition frequently occurs along with a cleft palate, an opening in the roof of the mouth. Harelip is usually corrected by plastic surgery soon after birth."
10-07-04, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
I believe you're wrong.
"A congenital abnormality in which there is a cleft or split in the upper lip. The condition frequently occurs along with a cleft palate, an opening in the roof of the mouth. Harelip is usually corrected by plastic surgery soon after birth."
"A congenital abnormality in which there is a cleft or split in the upper lip. The condition frequently occurs along with a cleft palate, an opening in the roof of the mouth. Harelip is usually corrected by plastic surgery soon after birth."
10-07-04, 09:46 PM
#316
Super Snuggles
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
"cleft lip" is the more general and commonly used medical term.
BTW, when are you going to learn that I'm almost always right?
10-09-04, 10:23 AM
#321
Wow, this thread really has taken many strange twists! Don't pass judgement on the AMV8 until you see it in person. Aston Martins look fantastic.
Anyway, just found out my 13B engine is for sale on ebay. Here's the link if any of you are interested:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33615
Anyway, just found out my 13B engine is for sale on ebay. Here's the link if any of you are interested:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33615
10-09-04, 11:01 AM
#323
Super Snuggles
Originally Posted by David Hayes
Anyway, just found out my 13B engine is for sale on ebay.
10-09-04, 12:05 PM
#324
Originally Posted by jimlab
Speaking of which, how much credit did Pettit give you for it? I assume that it was in good running condition when it was pulled?
Did you see what Pettit is asking for most of their stock parts on eBay? Wonder if they all are from David's car? $120 for a stock intercooler?!!??!
10-09-04, 04:15 PM
#325
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Originally Posted by HDP
Did you see what Pettit is asking for most of their stock parts on eBay? Wonder if they all are from David's car? $120 for a stock intercooler?!!??!