Calling out Black Magic!
12-20-07, 02:10 PM
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Black,
I didn't say anything about you winning anything. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was referring to the paypal claims (see my 1st post in this thread). I know that you are the one that will get screwed in the end.
I was also saying that for TXTURBO, he is lucky that you had money in your paypal. Otherwise his claim would result in nothing if won.
See what I'm saying?
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I didn't say anything about you winning anything. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was referring to the paypal claims (see my 1st post in this thread). I know that you are the one that will get screwed in the end.
I was also saying that for TXTURBO, he is lucky that you had money in your paypal. Otherwise his claim would result in nothing if won.
See what I'm saying?
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12-20-07, 02:40 PM
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I am making my formal apologies GoodFellas in my failures to follow w/the thread. Like TXTURBOGS, I've thought the thread was done & closed until I saw a reminder from GoodFellas. After reading his PM & jumping to conclusion, GoodFellas was one of the mods who didn't make a past judgment. I've followed through all my buying trx within the last 1 month & 1/2 and had zero problems from other members including this one w/TXTURBOGS. Black Magic this is for you, TXTURBOGS can share any Pm's sent between him & I. There isn't anything that I've said or stated that is hidden from the truth. From what I can see, TXTURBOGS and I have been the ones to follow through w/the transaction. How do you want to resolve this...Well, my trx w/TXTURBOGS is complete, I've paid him & he refunded me for the lights I didn't receive. Black Magic & your ridiculous accusations , if I could cough or **** lights/eggs that you've claimed to have shipped, I'd send it back to you in the same form.
12-20-07, 02:55 PM
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Damn there sure are a bunch of victims here, Black Magic lost $759, TXTurbo lost $700 out of various Paypal accounts (some known some unknown) I'm sure Silver will get on next saying he lost $$$$ too because he had to go to Japan to retrieve the lights which got lost on his doorstep. ****, I spent all this time typing I gotta put in a claim too.
I think Black Magic needs to get on the horn to Paypal's fraud division ASAP and let them sort it out. Now that we know there are multiple PLAYpal accounts concerned I'm sure they'll be curious how $1500 gets lost on $359 lights. Hell I'm going to get some popcorn and beer, this could get REAL interesting soon. Can U say 5-O?
I think Black Magic needs to get on the horn to Paypal's fraud division ASAP and let them sort it out. Now that we know there are multiple PLAYpal accounts concerned I'm sure they'll be curious how $1500 gets lost on $359 lights. Hell I'm going to get some popcorn and beer, this could get REAL interesting soon. Can U say 5-O?
12-20-07, 03:08 PM
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Black Magic's total is the $400 he paid for the lights + the $359 that'll be refunded back to TXTURBO due to the claim. Really he was given the $359 and then lost the $359, so it really isn't a loss in that sense. He did lose the lights that were valued at $350-$400, though.
The approx. $700 lost by TXTURBO is temporary. TX paid $359 for the lights and also refunded back the $359 to Silver (this was a refund, not a loss). So currently, TX is down $359 until the claim is won. If Black Magic had the full amount in his account, TX will get his money back (be even).
Silver has already got his money back, so is out nothing (except for time, perhaps). He may or may not have the lights depending on what you believe.
The approx. $700 lost by TXTURBO is temporary. TX paid $359 for the lights and also refunded back the $359 to Silver (this was a refund, not a loss). So currently, TX is down $359 until the claim is won. If Black Magic had the full amount in his account, TX will get his money back (be even).
Silver has already got his money back, so is out nothing (except for time, perhaps). He may or may not have the lights depending on what you believe.
12-20-07, 03:28 PM
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To wAnKeLsReVeNgE Be-careful before passing judgment! If you're one of the mod & have some inclusive & conclusive facts then fine else GTF out here. Black Magic is either naive or negligence about his package is now trying to put his blame on the other victims here.
I'll tell you what I lost, my time in this stupid thread, A pair of use Lexans covers that I bought from English Bull for this kit ($130). Labor from a mechanic whom removed the current OEM headlight housing & motor. I promised him $200 for the complete job w/paint finishing. Had a non moving, dismantled car w/no headlights for a week b/c BLack Magic lies that they were shipped. Most importantly my patience & tolerance w/this guy!
I'll tell you what I lost, my time in this stupid thread, A pair of use Lexans covers that I bought from English Bull for this kit ($130). Labor from a mechanic whom removed the current OEM headlight housing & motor. I promised him $200 for the complete job w/paint finishing. Had a non moving, dismantled car w/no headlights for a week b/c BLack Magic lies that they were shipped. Most importantly my patience & tolerance w/this guy!
Black Magic's total is the $400 he paid for the lights + the $359 that'll be refunded back to TXTURBO due to the claim. Really he was given the $359 and then lost the $359, so it really isn't a loss in that sense. He did lose the lights that were valued at $350-$400, though.
The approx. $700 lost by TXTURBO is temporary. TX paid $359 for the lights and also refunded back the $359 to Silver (this was a refund, not a loss). So currently, TX is down $359 until the claim is won. If Black Magic had the full amount in his account, TX will get his money back (be even).
Silver has already got his money back, so is out nothing (except for time, perhaps). He may or may not have the lights depending on what you believe.
The approx. $700 lost by TXTURBO is temporary. TX paid $359 for the lights and also refunded back the $359 to Silver (this was a refund, not a loss). So currently, TX is down $359 until the claim is won. If Black Magic had the full amount in his account, TX will get his money back (be even).
Silver has already got his money back, so is out nothing (except for time, perhaps). He may or may not have the lights depending on what you believe.
12-20-07, 03:37 PM
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Wankelsrevenge, I think you need to stay the hell away from this thread, NOW, stop inflaming the situation. Mods, please lock him from this thread.
Yes, GSL is right, and not at the same time. You see, it does not matter what Black Magic paid for the lights. He could have paid $1000 and it still does not matter because it wasn't part of this transaction. Yes, so he paid $400, but it has nothing to do with this. He is putting the number out there for us to feel guilty for him. LOL, you should see the chain of replies about how his problems.
The total ammount lost cannot be quatified yet, until he gets his lights and I get my money back. Unfortunately for Black Magic and me, the lights are lost and he spent the money, in which case I would end up being the most fucked.
As for being a fraud, it is not, period. The only shady business here is the fact that Black Magic has been giving us the run around with information since day one. You should have sent them when I asked you to do so, not a week later. Liar!!
Yes, GSL is right, and not at the same time. You see, it does not matter what Black Magic paid for the lights. He could have paid $1000 and it still does not matter because it wasn't part of this transaction. Yes, so he paid $400, but it has nothing to do with this. He is putting the number out there for us to feel guilty for him. LOL, you should see the chain of replies about how his problems.
The total ammount lost cannot be quatified yet, until he gets his lights and I get my money back. Unfortunately for Black Magic and me, the lights are lost and he spent the money, in which case I would end up being the most fucked.
As for being a fraud, it is not, period. The only shady business here is the fact that Black Magic has been giving us the run around with information since day one. You should have sent them when I asked you to do so, not a week later. Liar!!
12-20-07, 03:45 PM
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That's understandable. He should not have taken so long to ship or tell you that they "shipped" or "were on their way" when they weren't. It would have been easier to resolve if it was just between you and Black Magic. Then it would be as simple as letting paypal sort it out.
It looks like this will be one of those transactions where everyone loses (time and/or money/part) and no one will be happy with the outcome unless the lights do turn up and are returned to Black Magic. It'll definitely be a learning experience for all involved. Too bad it'll be a costly experience (time, money, and reputation).
I sincerely hope that this can come to a reasonable conclusion for all parties involved. However, I do not see a reasonably happy ending to this situation unless the lights turn up, since there was no insurance to cover the missing lights.
EDIT: BTW, when I say "if it was just between you and Black Magic", I was talking about Silver007. txturbo posted while I was typing.
Edit2: txturbo, I agree that what Black Magic paid ($400) isn't exactly a loss, but he did lose the headlights and whatever they are valued at ($350-$400). This is assuming that you are rewarded the full amount back in the claim.
It looks like this will be one of those transactions where everyone loses (time and/or money/part) and no one will be happy with the outcome unless the lights do turn up and are returned to Black Magic. It'll definitely be a learning experience for all involved. Too bad it'll be a costly experience (time, money, and reputation).
I sincerely hope that this can come to a reasonable conclusion for all parties involved. However, I do not see a reasonably happy ending to this situation unless the lights turn up, since there was no insurance to cover the missing lights.
EDIT: BTW, when I say "if it was just between you and Black Magic", I was talking about Silver007. txturbo posted while I was typing.
Edit2: txturbo, I agree that what Black Magic paid ($400) isn't exactly a loss, but he did lose the headlights and whatever they are valued at ($350-$400). This is assuming that you are rewarded the full amount back in the claim.
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12-20-07, 03:50 PM
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Not only about the run around that the package was shipped! But after the fact, that it was shipped! He said he called & had Fedex returned it to him & told me not to worry! I've ignored everything until the PM came from the moderator. See my Pm's that I've forwarded to you all & now, somehow, I got another tracking number delivered at my front step????? First of all, they need to get inside my gate in order to get to my front step!Black Magic, if you're intelligent enough use the facts I've given you & do some homework w/FEDEX!
Wankelsrevenge, I think you need to stay the hell away from this thread, NOW, stop inflaming the situation. Mods, please lock him from this thread.
Yes, GSL is right, and not at the same time. You see, it does not matter what Black Magic paid for the lights. He could have paid $1000 and it still does not matter because it wasn't part of this transaction. Yes, so he paid $400, but it has nothing to do with this. He is putting the number out there for us to feel guilty for him. LOL, you should see the chain of replies about how his problems.
The total ammount lost cannot be quatified yet, until he gets his lights and I get my money back. Unfortunately for Black Magic and me, the lights are lost and he spent the money, in which case I would end up being the most fucked.
As for being a fraud, it is not, period. The only shady business here is the fact that Black Magic has been giving us the run around with information since day one. You should have sent them when I asked you to do so, not a week later. Liar!!
Yes, GSL is right, and not at the same time. You see, it does not matter what Black Magic paid for the lights. He could have paid $1000 and it still does not matter because it wasn't part of this transaction. Yes, so he paid $400, but it has nothing to do with this. He is putting the number out there for us to feel guilty for him. LOL, you should see the chain of replies about how his problems.
The total ammount lost cannot be quatified yet, until he gets his lights and I get my money back. Unfortunately for Black Magic and me, the lights are lost and he spent the money, in which case I would end up being the most fucked.
As for being a fraud, it is not, period. The only shady business here is the fact that Black Magic has been giving us the run around with information since day one. You should have sent them when I asked you to do so, not a week later. Liar!!
12-20-07, 04:03 PM
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Thats funny, possible BGs telling me to GFO of this thread. Then telling a moderator to GFO too! Then you want to lock me out????? Hahahahahaha. Thank God I've never had anything to do with either of you two morons (victims.) I hope Black Magic follows though with 5-O on your little scam. But, he likely won't. I don't know why you guys are so worried about 5-O anyway, after all, you are honest dudes and 5-O is going to send Black Magic to jail, right? He's the one who should have kept his mouth shut, right?
12-20-07, 04:05 PM
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Agreed GSL.
As far as I am concerned, my reputation is intact. Yes, I also feel that we will only arrive at the same conclusion. Hopefully, it will all be resolved.
As far as I am concerned, my reputation is intact. Yes, I also feel that we will only arrive at the same conclusion. Hopefully, it will all be resolved.
12-20-07, 04:10 PM
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You insist its a scam yet provide no proof of it. I believe you are so far up Black magic's ***, but that is your problem, not mine. What do you have to say about his lies then? Lets be fair and consider both sides. We have proof of him lying, what else is there.
5-0?? Sorry, I do not follow.
Who mentioned jail? LOL, hahahahahaha, jail for 350. Get a life.
5-0?? Sorry, I do not follow.
Who mentioned jail? LOL, hahahahahaha, jail for 350. Get a life.
12-20-07, 04:57 PM
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How about grand theft (anything over $100) credit card fraud (if anyone used a CC) conspiracy to commit theft, and probably interstate fraud (since the transaction involved different states and jurisdictions) for starters.
But maybe not. If the lights were suddenly found by some miracle and were sent back to Black Magic, and everyone gives back all the money they were sent, I assume Black Magic sent back the money already? I would think this goes away and we all can laugh about it later.
I have no idea who Black Magic is. I'm not into humpback mountain stuff TX so no, I'm not interested in any man's ***.
As far as this thead tho it's pretty much wasted unless someone calls 5-O.
Like I said waaaaay up top, I don't do deals on this or any other board because frankly there's too much fraud going on. No offense to any honest people out there but as a percentage of the whole, the BG deals are just too high.
But maybe not. If the lights were suddenly found by some miracle and were sent back to Black Magic, and everyone gives back all the money they were sent, I assume Black Magic sent back the money already? I would think this goes away and we all can laugh about it later.
I have no idea who Black Magic is. I'm not into humpback mountain stuff TX so no, I'm not interested in any man's ***.
As far as this thead tho it's pretty much wasted unless someone calls 5-O.
Like I said waaaaay up top, I don't do deals on this or any other board because frankly there's too much fraud going on. No offense to any honest people out there but as a percentage of the whole, the BG deals are just too high.
12-20-07, 10:18 PM
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Hey guys, let's all act like we graduated from High School, seriously.
What has to be done to unf*ck this situation? Who needs to step up and be a man to fix things? That is what I am concerned with.
What has to be done to unf*ck this situation? Who needs to step up and be a man to fix things? That is what I am concerned with.
12-21-07, 07:48 AM
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Goodfella, this is the only closure that I can see......
The trx are as follows - the trx between TXTURBOGS & I are complete. As said, I paid him via Paypal he refunded the funds back to me for a product I've never received. Black Magic - on the hand. I know I have no formal agreement/acceptance/commitment w/him but he needs to step up he refund me for the pair of Lexans cover I bought. I will gladly ship him the covers at his expense should he decide to refund me. I bought it from English Bull for $130 & it's useless to me now. I also paid my mechanic $100 for dismantling the headlight assembly & then, to put it back in it's original state. The amount is $230 that is owed to me from Black Magic. Black Magic needs to make a claim w/Fedex for his lost. Black Magic also needs to follow thru w/the claim from TXTURBOGS & refund him for his lost. TXTURBOGS, I'm not sure how much Black Magic sold it to you for, but I do know that you sold it to me for $350.
Note to Black Magic - should you decide to refund me for my lost & not to mention my time. I will assist you w/the claim against FEDEX.
The trx are as follows - the trx between TXTURBOGS & I are complete. As said, I paid him via Paypal he refunded the funds back to me for a product I've never received. Black Magic - on the hand. I know I have no formal agreement/acceptance/commitment w/him but he needs to step up he refund me for the pair of Lexans cover I bought. I will gladly ship him the covers at his expense should he decide to refund me. I bought it from English Bull for $130 & it's useless to me now. I also paid my mechanic $100 for dismantling the headlight assembly & then, to put it back in it's original state. The amount is $230 that is owed to me from Black Magic. Black Magic needs to make a claim w/Fedex for his lost. Black Magic also needs to follow thru w/the claim from TXTURBOGS & refund him for his lost. TXTURBOGS, I'm not sure how much Black Magic sold it to you for, but I do know that you sold it to me for $350.
Note to Black Magic - should you decide to refund me for my lost & not to mention my time. I will assist you w/the claim against FEDEX.
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12-21-07, 08:53 AM
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Just my opinion on the situation, but I don't believe Black Magic should be responsible for the covers and the labor. You could have waited to have the lights in hand before getting the covers and having the headlight assembly dismantled. It is unreasonable to ask him to pay for labor when you chose to have the work done (instead of doing it yourself) and for having the work done before the lights arrived. This is asking Black Magic to lose the lights, any money he received for the lights, plus this extra $230 that you speak of. Totally unfair IMO. Even if he is sucessful in the FedEx claim, the most he could receive is $100, so it is not worth him giving you an extra $230 for help to get back $100 (which may not even happen since the tracking says it was delivered).
You say that you have a gate. Is it like a security gate? Just your place inside or is it like apartments/condos/townhouses? I wonder if there was space enough between the bars of the gate (of under the gate) for them to slip the package through/under? Also, you and Black should make sure that he had your address correct and also verify that it went to the right address according to FedEx's records. Like I said before, I got a neighbor's package last week. They (UPS) just dropped off at our door and took off. Something like this may have happened in your case.
The tracking backs up Black Magic (if you live in Johnson City, NY). The posibilities that I see for the lights:
- you have them and are not saying (what Black thinks)
- FedEx delivered to the wrong address
- package stolen (from FedEx employee or someone off the street). Can be common this time of year.
Right now, it looks like Silver is holding all the money (minus what he spent on covers/labor) and possibly the lights (depending on what you believe). TXTURBO may get his money back if the claim is in his favor. Black is out the lights and the money that he was supposed to receive for them (if TXTURBO wins the full amount of the claim).
To me, the next steps should be:
- Black and Silver verify the shipping address
- Black contacts FedEx and sees what address they shipped to and see if they can track down the package.
- Black files a claim with FedEx (recoup max of $100)
Anyway, just my 3rd party opinion on the matter. I don't believe that all the loses should be placed on a single person for this transaction. It wasn't any one person's fault. You all agreed to this 3-way transaction (asking for trouble), Black Magic was a bit slow on shipping and didn't require signature (I don't think that means that he should be responsible for all the loss). TX is kind of stuck in the middle at this point.
Anyway, the best solution that could come from this is if FedEx can track down the lights. Silver sends them back to Black. TXTURBO gets all his money back. Silver is out the cost of lenses/labor, Black is out the cost of shipping. That is the most fair solution to this mess. Without the lights, I don't know how this could be fairly resolved. Black is sure Silver has the lights and owes Black the money or the lights back. Too bad there is not solid proof that Silver actually got the lights or not (if there was a signature required). Hopefully it was just a mistake on FedEx's part and the lights will turn up.
You say that you have a gate. Is it like a security gate? Just your place inside or is it like apartments/condos/townhouses? I wonder if there was space enough between the bars of the gate (of under the gate) for them to slip the package through/under? Also, you and Black should make sure that he had your address correct and also verify that it went to the right address according to FedEx's records. Like I said before, I got a neighbor's package last week. They (UPS) just dropped off at our door and took off. Something like this may have happened in your case.
The tracking backs up Black Magic (if you live in Johnson City, NY). The posibilities that I see for the lights:
- you have them and are not saying (what Black thinks)
- FedEx delivered to the wrong address
- package stolen (from FedEx employee or someone off the street). Can be common this time of year.
Right now, it looks like Silver is holding all the money (minus what he spent on covers/labor) and possibly the lights (depending on what you believe). TXTURBO may get his money back if the claim is in his favor. Black is out the lights and the money that he was supposed to receive for them (if TXTURBO wins the full amount of the claim).
To me, the next steps should be:
- Black and Silver verify the shipping address
- Black contacts FedEx and sees what address they shipped to and see if they can track down the package.
- Black files a claim with FedEx (recoup max of $100)
Anyway, just my 3rd party opinion on the matter. I don't believe that all the loses should be placed on a single person for this transaction. It wasn't any one person's fault. You all agreed to this 3-way transaction (asking for trouble), Black Magic was a bit slow on shipping and didn't require signature (I don't think that means that he should be responsible for all the loss). TX is kind of stuck in the middle at this point.
Anyway, the best solution that could come from this is if FedEx can track down the lights. Silver sends them back to Black. TXTURBO gets all his money back. Silver is out the cost of lenses/labor, Black is out the cost of shipping. That is the most fair solution to this mess. Without the lights, I don't know how this could be fairly resolved. Black is sure Silver has the lights and owes Black the money or the lights back. Too bad there is not solid proof that Silver actually got the lights or not (if there was a signature required). Hopefully it was just a mistake on FedEx's part and the lights will turn up.
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Opinions appreciated and are taken. But take this into consideration. I've contacted him (Black Magic) a week 1/2 later. He basically told me it went out in the truck already so I took that as a confirmation that it was sent & work can be started. I've hired by mechanic to do the work b/c like we all, I have too much work & projects to do. My mechanic had some time freed up 4 the holidays, I called him over & had it taken care of. I do agree in some parts you've stated. I made just as much of a mistake as these guys did, making assumption & speculations.
I am a verified my member w/paypal. So my address is verified. It is a single family home.
Home entrance- the entrance to my house is on the side, it's another 60-70ft walk. Between the gate & the entrance is just the driveway and mailbox. I hate to believe that Fedex is dumbfounded enough to leave it in front of the gate or inside the gate in a wide open space b/c there's just a latch. Gate is 4 ft from the ground. If they did, you may have kiss it good bye then. I had two incidents within the last 3 months I had bought 2 large decorated Clay pot w/flowers on either side of the driveway just disappeared and the other was all smashed. Another incident was my floor jack, forgot to put it away after working on the car. The following day it was gone. I reported the two incidents to the police & they couldn't do a thing, there response was "we'llthat they'll be on a look out." Since then, I got myself a dog, posted "Beware of Dog" sign to alleviate my problems w/intrusion of my property. So, the scenarios you've presented maybe true or was shipped to the wrong home. Do not make any further speculations from here.
It still puzzles me that Black Magic sent such an expensive item w/out having any insurance on the package, this could have avoided a lot of issues. Whether or not FedEx is able to locate the package, I am not interested in this package, Black Magic can tell FedEx to return to the sender. If does package does show up in my presence, I would not sign for it. Like, I've told you guys before....I am uncertain as to what is inside this package and would not have my name anywhere near it just from my experience of dealing w/this situation.
I am a verified my member w/paypal. So my address is verified. It is a single family home.
Home entrance- the entrance to my house is on the side, it's another 60-70ft walk. Between the gate & the entrance is just the driveway and mailbox. I hate to believe that Fedex is dumbfounded enough to leave it in front of the gate or inside the gate in a wide open space b/c there's just a latch. Gate is 4 ft from the ground. If they did, you may have kiss it good bye then. I had two incidents within the last 3 months I had bought 2 large decorated Clay pot w/flowers on either side of the driveway just disappeared and the other was all smashed. Another incident was my floor jack, forgot to put it away after working on the car. The following day it was gone. I reported the two incidents to the police & they couldn't do a thing, there response was "we'llthat they'll be on a look out." Since then, I got myself a dog, posted "Beware of Dog" sign to alleviate my problems w/intrusion of my property. So, the scenarios you've presented maybe true or was shipped to the wrong home. Do not make any further speculations from here.
It still puzzles me that Black Magic sent such an expensive item w/out having any insurance on the package, this could have avoided a lot of issues. Whether or not FedEx is able to locate the package, I am not interested in this package, Black Magic can tell FedEx to return to the sender. If does package does show up in my presence, I would not sign for it. Like, I've told you guys before....I am uncertain as to what is inside this package and would not have my name anywhere near it just from my experience of dealing w/this situation.
Just my opinion on the situation, but I don't believe Black Magic should be responsible for the covers and the labor. You could have waited to have the lights in hand before getting the covers and having the headlight assembly dismantled. It is unreasonable to ask him to pay for labor when you chose to have the work done (instead of doing it yourself) and for having the work done before the lights arrived. This is asking Black Magic to lose the lights, any money he received for the lights, plus this extra $230 that you speak of. Totally unfair IMO. Even if he is sucessful in the FedEx claim, the most he could receive is $100, so it is not worth him giving you an extra $230 for help to get back $100 (which may not even happen since the tracking says it was delivered).
You say that you have a gate. Is it like a security gate? Just your place inside or is it like apartments/condos/townhouses? I wonder if there was space enough between the bars of the gate (of under the gate) for them to slip the package through/under? Also, you and Black should make sure that he had your address correct and also verify that it went to the right address according to FedEx's records. Like I said before, I got a neighbor's package last week. They (UPS) just dropped off at our door and took off. Something like this may have happened in your case.
The tracking backs up Black Magic (if you live in Johnson City, NY). The posibilities that I see for the lights:
- you have them and are not saying (what Black thinks)
- FedEx delivered to the wrong address
- package stolen (from FedEx employee or someone off the street). Can be common this time of year.
Right now, it looks like Silver is holding all the money (minus what he spent on covers/labor) and possibly the lights (depending on what you believe). TXTURBO may get his money back if the claim is in his favor. Black is out the lights and the money that he was supposed to receive for them (if TXTURBO wins the full amount of the claim).
To me, the next steps should be:
- Black and Silver verify the shipping address
- Black contacts FedEx and sees what address they shipped to and see if they can track down the package.
- Black files a claim with FedEx (recoup max of $100)
Anyway, just my 3rd party opinion on the matter. I don't believe that all the loses should be placed on a single person for this transaction. It wasn't any one person's fault. You all agreed to this 3-way transaction (asking for trouble), Black Magic was a bit slow on shipping and didn't require signature (I don't think that means that he should be responsible for all the loss). TX is kind of stuck in the middle at this point.
Anyway, the best solution that could come from this is if FedEx can track down the lights. Silver sends them back to Black. TXTURBO gets all his money back. Silver is out the cost of lenses/labor, Black is out the cost of shipping. That is the most fair solution to this mess. Without the lights, I don't know how this could be fairly resolved. Black is sure Silver has the lights and owes Black the money or the lights back. Too bad there is not solid proof that Silver actually got the lights or not (if there was a signature required). Hopefully it was just a mistake on FedEx's part and the lights will turn up.
You say that you have a gate. Is it like a security gate? Just your place inside or is it like apartments/condos/townhouses? I wonder if there was space enough between the bars of the gate (of under the gate) for them to slip the package through/under? Also, you and Black should make sure that he had your address correct and also verify that it went to the right address according to FedEx's records. Like I said before, I got a neighbor's package last week. They (UPS) just dropped off at our door and took off. Something like this may have happened in your case.
The tracking backs up Black Magic (if you live in Johnson City, NY). The posibilities that I see for the lights:
- you have them and are not saying (what Black thinks)
- FedEx delivered to the wrong address
- package stolen (from FedEx employee or someone off the street). Can be common this time of year.
Right now, it looks like Silver is holding all the money (minus what he spent on covers/labor) and possibly the lights (depending on what you believe). TXTURBO may get his money back if the claim is in his favor. Black is out the lights and the money that he was supposed to receive for them (if TXTURBO wins the full amount of the claim).
To me, the next steps should be:
- Black and Silver verify the shipping address
- Black contacts FedEx and sees what address they shipped to and see if they can track down the package.
- Black files a claim with FedEx (recoup max of $100)
Anyway, just my 3rd party opinion on the matter. I don't believe that all the loses should be placed on a single person for this transaction. It wasn't any one person's fault. You all agreed to this 3-way transaction (asking for trouble), Black Magic was a bit slow on shipping and didn't require signature (I don't think that means that he should be responsible for all the loss). TX is kind of stuck in the middle at this point.
Anyway, the best solution that could come from this is if FedEx can track down the lights. Silver sends them back to Black. TXTURBO gets all his money back. Silver is out the cost of lenses/labor, Black is out the cost of shipping. That is the most fair solution to this mess. Without the lights, I don't know how this could be fairly resolved. Black is sure Silver has the lights and owes Black the money or the lights back. Too bad there is not solid proof that Silver actually got the lights or not (if there was a signature required). Hopefully it was just a mistake on FedEx's part and the lights will turn up.
12-21-07, 10:41 AM
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Totally understand. I'm not saying that you do/don't have the lights. FedEx says you do (at least according to tracking), so I can see why Black (and possibly others) may think you have the package and are pulling a scam to get the lights and the money. People will speculate because there is no real proof either way.
Although your paypal address is verified, did Black print an address label from paypal or did he write by hand? If by hand, he could have gotten the address numbers mixed up. This is why it would be a good idea to check the address that FedEx had on record and compare that to yours. Even if correct, they still could have dropped it off at the wrong house or it could have been stolen. FedEx will have to investigate that part.
Black Magic should have had insurance and signature required, but he didn't. I'm sure he will be more careful in the future after this transaction. I guess that if you had the correct tracking number to begin with, you would have known when it was coming. You would then also know to check that day for the package and if nothing was there, you could have asked neighbors if they saw anything (if FedEx delivered, where they put the package, if anyone was hanging around the area of the package).
My old apartment had a small patio/garden area w/ a 5ft fence around it. If I was not home, FedEx/UPS would toss the package over the fence and onto the patio. Luckily, nothing ever got broken, but they didn't want to chance leaving at the front door as it would be easy to steal. USPS would usually leave it on the step or at the apartment complex office.
Anyway, I'm trying to be fair and impartial in this matter and hope that you guys can come to a fair solution.
Although your paypal address is verified, did Black print an address label from paypal or did he write by hand? If by hand, he could have gotten the address numbers mixed up. This is why it would be a good idea to check the address that FedEx had on record and compare that to yours. Even if correct, they still could have dropped it off at the wrong house or it could have been stolen. FedEx will have to investigate that part.
Black Magic should have had insurance and signature required, but he didn't. I'm sure he will be more careful in the future after this transaction. I guess that if you had the correct tracking number to begin with, you would have known when it was coming. You would then also know to check that day for the package and if nothing was there, you could have asked neighbors if they saw anything (if FedEx delivered, where they put the package, if anyone was hanging around the area of the package).
My old apartment had a small patio/garden area w/ a 5ft fence around it. If I was not home, FedEx/UPS would toss the package over the fence and onto the patio. Luckily, nothing ever got broken, but they didn't want to chance leaving at the front door as it would be easy to steal. USPS would usually leave it on the step or at the apartment complex office.
Anyway, I'm trying to be fair and impartial in this matter and hope that you guys can come to a fair solution.
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I agree w/you on that note. I was notified by Black on the day it was being delivered to my house. It was about 3 or 4pm and I was under the assumption that the package was on its way back to Black Magic after he has contacted FedEx. If I had knew when the package was coming I would have called FedEx & had them to return the package to him. There are a lot of things we could have learned from "what ifs"
I can't tell you how it was label on the package. Black Magic hopefully had printed the label(s). I check the tracking number w/fedex as well & basically was told by the rep that it was dropped off at the address location, that's just great! Of all the other times I have received deliveries from Fedex when I wasn't home, they always leave me a slip to sign for or pick-up except for this time, why?????? At this point, I can't tell you if anybody else is willing to fork out any more $$ & or time vested in this. I know, I certainly will not! I lost enough and can't tell you how my days are going to work feeling frustrated & pissed over this whole thing! This is a mess! & I think the only way I see that this can be resolved is to have FedEx trace where the package is & have it return to Magic.
I can't tell you how it was label on the package. Black Magic hopefully had printed the label(s). I check the tracking number w/fedex as well & basically was told by the rep that it was dropped off at the address location, that's just great! Of all the other times I have received deliveries from Fedex when I wasn't home, they always leave me a slip to sign for or pick-up except for this time, why?????? At this point, I can't tell you if anybody else is willing to fork out any more $$ & or time vested in this. I know, I certainly will not! I lost enough and can't tell you how my days are going to work feeling frustrated & pissed over this whole thing! This is a mess! & I think the only way I see that this can be resolved is to have FedEx trace where the package is & have it return to Magic.
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The only way this gets resolved is if the investigation is taken over by professionals, not morons. That means Paypal investigative team, FedEx investigative team and depending on outcome there possibly 5-O. Magic should file a civil claim against FedEx, and/or Paypal--that may get their *** in gear and investigate. Unfortunately tho $400 is nothing to these companies. They probably wouldn't waste their time defending and/or investigating anything. This has been going on for awhile now, if magic has NOT asked FedEx to track this through the driver by NOW that is suspicious to me. If I really sent that light, I would have filed a FedEx track search the very DAY Silver said he didn't get the package. Did you do that or not Magic? What did FedEx say? If not, why not?
As far as magic paying anyone for any time, your odds are better of winning Power Ball. So you hired a mechanic, so what? Are you saying magic had the only set of lights in the world that would work? Just order another set from someone else, end of story.
As far as magic paying anyone for any time, your odds are better of winning Power Ball. So you hired a mechanic, so what? Are you saying magic had the only set of lights in the world that would work? Just order another set from someone else, end of story.
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