txturbogs

OK this guy has a set of lights for sale. Purchased them and has not delivered them in over a week. WTF is up?

Rx-7Doctor

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Moving thread to Bg section where it belongs.

When exactly did you pay and how did you pay? Was it a paypal instant payment or a echeck?

Did you request a tracking number and date that he would ship?
When was the last pm or email that you sent this person?

txturbogs

I payed via paypal. Ok here is the story.

I purchased his partial sleek headlight kit, but after reconsidering, I said I did not want it. I had already paid for it.

Another member had shown interest in the kit too, so I PMed him telling him that I had purchased it but that I dont want it. That he could paypal me the ammount and in return, Black Magic would send it to him instead of me.

So he did, and I got the money via paypal. So the buyer, after one week, has not been contacted. Black Magic said it was shipped, but no tracking has been provided.

I think it might be too early to dispute the claim, but since this guy paid me, he want a refund and I already asked for the check. Yeah, its a little complicated, but if Black Magic had sent it, or if sent, had provided a tracking number, none of this would have happened.

Casually, he has been spotted browsing the board, so we know he is still around and I m sure he has read the PMs.

Anyway, the other member involved is Silver007.

silver007

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Okay that would be me, the receiver of the light! Actual trx took place on 11/28/07. Asked for a confirmation of tracking # for a $350 kit shipped. He said he didn't have one. What kind of crazy lune would send an item w/that amount of $ w/out any insurance/confirmation for his item?

Rx-7Doctor

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So you paid Black Magic for the kit. Then you informed him that you no longer wanted it. You had Silver007 pay you for the kit and then contacted Black Magic to ship it to Silver007?

This is one of the things that you never do. You should have had Black Magic issue you a refund then have Silver007 pay Black Magic directly. What you have done is failed to protect yourself, Black Magic and Silver007. Black Magic is now in a predicament because in order for him to be protected by paypals terms he is supposed to ship it to you. If he ships to Silver007 then he can be screwed over on the deal for shipping it to someone else besides the payer on the paypal account.

I recommend that you contact Silver007 and find out what communication he has had with Black Magic.

txturbogs

If he ships it to me, fine, I will ship it to Silver007 at no cost.

I am a paypal noob, so I had no idea on the refund thing

Sprockett

Never do this type of transaction on the internet...it is just screaming for problems

Black Magic

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I havnt been on this site much, and when i was, i had emailed one of the two stating that they were shipped or on the way. (forgot what i said) ALTHOUGH the box was sitting next to me, i was going that day within the hour, unfortunatly i didnt.
For the record the lights/housings were shipped on the 12th in the AM, i provided both guys with tracking numbers. I explained to txturbo that i am going through some really rough times, and i am sorry for lagging on the shipping of the lights. Which were sent to silver007, i didnt mean to cause any problems in their lives and i am sorry if i did to both of you. i am not out here to scam anyone and i never have in the past.

For others to believe im not a liar, just going through rough times, I shipped via FEDEX tracking#
045759210038121

-james

Black Magic

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I really hope this wont be a problem for me, i have enough problems in my life let alone losing money i dont have...

Black Magic

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well, after speaking to both parties, it seems like i may get screwed here. I know i was neglagent and didnt ship on time, but do i really need to be punished with losing $350 and my lights/housings? Total i am going to lose over $750 if i dont get my lights back. its like i paid for them twice and still never used them.

Please silver007, all i ask is for you to return them, i will pay shipping once i figure out how to get my paypal account out of the negatives...

Black Magic

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I called FEDEX and had them RTS thank god.

Regaurdless of my mistakes that i admitted to rather than made up some stupid story... Txturbo since you were a complete ******* about everything without an ounce of sympathy, im not going to respond to your paypal dispute and let it ride out for the full 10 or 15 days. Hopefully you will have to depend on some of it and understand how i felt and currently feel...

This is by far the worst and only bad transaction i have ever had in my life...

-DONE

Black Magic

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newer update, i screwd myself over. I had FEDEX R.T.S. the WRONG packge. I had sent two packages to NY at the same time and both the last names were similar. To where i gave silver007/and Txturbos the wrong tracking # and had fedex send me back the WRONG package. The correct tracking for the actuall headlights is 045759210038152 in which they said they dropped it off on silver007's doorstep. So i know he got them, but he is claiming he didnt. All i ask is he do the right thing and send them back, i will gladly pay for his time and shipping.

Otherwise, i am now the one that got scammed...

Sprockett

Pass the popcorn

silver007

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I've been conveying w/Black Magic via PM at the time the the package was in FEDEX hands. He said he called FEDEX & had them returned to sender & told me to forget it. I couldn't do much anyways around 3pm ET on 12/14/07. I told him that if I was present I would just denied the package & had them send back to Sender. Check the tracking # stated it was dropped off at front step. Well, I don't have the package nor I was there to sign for the package. When you send an item of $300 you should have put some kind of insurance on it, like signature required! Well, I'm not sure as to what is going on now. This is taking too much of my time & really think you need to get your story straight w/fedex two tracking numbers & both of them are packaged for lights? One tracking # for Strong, and the other for Truong? This is just getting way over my head! I am forwarding the PM's to TXTURBOGS & the moderators to let them see them the current of events.

Black Magic

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Dec 14, 2007 12:52 PM

Delivered

Johnson City, NY

Left at front door. Signature Service not requested. Thats the # 045759210038152

The one i had sent back was my turn signals/headlight switch i sold to mark strong which was tracking # 045759210038121
Dec 15, 2007 10:06 AM

Package returned to shipper

WEST HENRIETTA, NY

Unable to deliver shipment, return to shipper - Delivery refused


Soo now once the turn signals come back, i will resend those to mark, becuase im not gonna hose that guy. But in the end silver007 is LIEING, he has my lights...

wAnKeLsReVeNgE

Black Magic can always call FedEx have the driver go back to the place he dropped off the box. I did that one time, it said front door and the driver really put it on the back door and there it was. Worth a try.

Black Magic

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Agreed, but it was delivered on the 14th and im more than 100% positive that silver007 is pulling the old "it never was on my doorstep" routine and f---in me over in the process and trying to make me look like a total fool on this forum. In which, yes, i lagged on shipping, made a mistake, and then didnt check "signature required" Soo if anyone lives in NY and wants to rough this guy up for me, PM me, lol.

brent_strong

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Yeah, I'm the guy who had the signals shipped then pulled back because of the problems with silver007. I can't say I've had any problems at all with Black Magic, it seems like things are pretty fishy on the buyer's end with the lights...

wAnKeLsReVeNgE

You might be right Black Magic, I'll agree that it looks strange, but I think no matter what you have to take that extra step with FedEx. I know it didn't cost me anything to have the driver come out and make sure "front door" really was front door. I know this isn't covering you completely, but don't FedEx have $100 insurance automatically? Plus the extra step helps your defense in paypal dispute.
That said, if it was dropped off, Silver007 should pocket the parts. After all, according to TXTURBOGS he paid for them. I'm not 100 percent sure, but I know Paypal claims are tougher for non-Ebay transactions. I'd just tell them you sent it, then it will be between TXTurboGS and Silver007 to work it out. The way I read it, TXTURBOGS paid you, Silver 007 paid him, and you sent the parts. End of story. If Silver007 said he didn't get the parts tell him to get his money back from TXTURBOGS. That oughtta be interesting to watch.

wAnKeLsReVeNgE

Plus I don't think this makes Black Magic look like a total fool. I am a member here and on bimmerboard, and honestly, I wouldn't buy anything from anyone on either board. No offense to you or the group, but these unmoderated, long distance transactions are just asking for trouble. Go down the thread of "The Bad and the Fugly." Who ISN'T listed? Sellers here know about Ebay, and my way of thinking is, there's a reason they aren't selling on Ebay, which guarantees and warrants buyers. It's a shame, but what started as a group helping fellow car enthusiasts is turning into something else, at least as far as buying and selling are concerned. If I saw something here I wanted, really wanted, I'd tell the guy to list it on Ebay. End of story. Or, if it was local, I'd go buy it in person with cash in hand If I liked what I saw.
What the moderators may want to think about, is doing what the UK BMW board does, and LIST recommended sellers. People with good feedback. keep track of the numbers. I don't know if then, the group becomes responsible for "recommending" a seller. But No one wants "responsibility." That's the bottom line.
I wish I had a nickel for all the times someone sent me a PM saying, "gee, I sent so and so money and you also posted on that thread, did you buy anything or get your stuff?

gsl-se addict

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What a mess. This type of transaction is just asking for trouble. There must be something that was not mentioned. 1st the parts were going to Silver007, then they were to be returned to Black Magic. What happened in between?

Problem is that no one is protected by paypal in this situation. 1st TXTURBOGS could say that he bought these from Black Magic and never received. Black Magic didn't send to TXTURBOGS, so the dispute would be in TXTURBOGS's favor. Also, Silver 007 could say the same thing about TXTURBOGS (paid TXTURBOGS for headlights and never received). So Silver could make a paypal claim and win. In this situation (paypal ruling as I listed above), if Silver did get the lights:

- Black Magic out money + lights
- TXTURBOGS comes out even
- Silver 007 gets lights + money back

Also, with Paypal disputes, even if you win, you can only get back whatever that person has in their paypal account. It sounds like Black Magic's account is empty, so TXTURBOGS won't get anything back on a dispute/claim.

Lessons learned:
- don't do this type of transaction!
- ship only to the paypal verified address
- require signature / delivery confirmation + insurance

wAnKeLsReVeNgE

GSL-SE addict I agree with your "lessons learned"
You really need to read posting #3 again. No one is out anything. TXTURBOGS paid Black Magic. Silver007 paid TXTURBOGS what he paid to Black Magic and expected the lights would be sent to him. Black magic says he sent the lights to Silver007 as he should have, only Silver007 is saying he didn't get them. Black Magic says he got them. Therein lies the problem...

gsl-se addict

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I fully understand the situation. What I am talking about is with regards to paypal claims. See, TXTURBOGS can say that he paid Black Magic for lights, but did not receive them (I know Silver gave TXTURBOGS money for the lights). Black Magic didn't send the lights to TXTURBOGS, so paypal would rule in favor of TXTURBOGS (he could get his money back if Black Magic had the money still in the Paypal account). Silver could pull the same thing (he could say he paid TXTURBOGS for headlights and did not get them). Obviously, TXTURBOGS never had the lights in his hands, so he has no proof that lights were sent from TXTURBOGS to Silver. See what I am saying? No one is protected in this type of transaction. Paypal will offer no protection if the seller does not ship to the buyer's verified address (this is where Black Magic messed up). Silver also can't file a claim against Black Magic as he did not pay Black Magic directly.

This should have been handled with a refund back to TXTURBOGS at the start. Silver then could have paid Black Magic directly for the lights. At least there would be some protection in that case from paypal. Possibly, Black Magic could make an insurance claim with FedEx ($100 max, since he didn't buy extra insurance). However, this may be a tough claim as according to FedEx, it was delivered (not lost or damaged).

I really hope that everyone is being honest in this case and hope that it will get sorted out.

wAnKeLsReVeNgE

I get your point now gsl-se addict, i did not take into account the "lie" factor to Paypal. I just assumed people wouldbe honest. Boy, am I an idiot.
Of course Black Magic could use TXTURBOgs testimony here (and Silver007s) to offset some of the claims? Geez what a mess. Now I know why Paypal confirmed addresses are so important. And why Paypal claims outside Ebay are much tougher to win.
In other news, Obama is up slightly in the polls over Clinton! Whoever wins we're doomed!

Black Magic

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Im too pissed off to even make a decent response, silver007 needs to be banned for SHADY SCAMMING, BOTTOM LINE...