13B-RX3

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Contact sunsteel about the nitriding. I had two sets of 13B plates Ion Nitrided by them and they turned out great! They charge by weight with a minimum fee, the shipping was actually more than the nitriding!

RedBaronII

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Moral of the story to be learned here:
Whenever putting and engine together with spare parts to try save some money, think again, it will end up costing more money, being a waste of time, plus grief and the end result will be a big pile of junk.
Start with the best low milage, rebuildable and COMPLETE engine you can find.
Buy it from a reputable company/vendor via Credit Card, so you can have recourse, if need be.
Have something in writing to protect both parties and having photos would be great too.
Insure the parts/engine for the whole amount, that it's worth.
Would be nice, if you have some knowledge/experience of what you are doing.
Spend the extra money now, saving much more money later and sleeping well...PRICELESS!!!

mannykiller

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But I wasn't necessarily trying to save money. I was trying to build the motor from the inside out. And theres not much you can do to protect yourself when someone lies in such a way that everything seems perfectly normal.

PvillKnight7

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As soon as I opened the box I would have resealed it, returned it, and demanded a full refund (shipping included).

73rx313b

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^^^ i agree... that was very poor packaging and the guy should have known better. It really makes you think it was done on purpose to hide the fact that he shipped you garbage. I think Mr. Roller needs to get involved with this one. I think its obvious you got scamed...
my 2cents

RotaryEvolution

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nope, sounds like you got boned over good.

you can buy a complete imported 20B block for $3-3.5k which should have all the necessary usable parts to build a good 20B engine with. after sourcing half the used engine and repairing the worn parts you will easily have exceeded what a decent 20B core engine would cost. sorry to say but i'm glad i didn't get into this mess after all.

allrotor93

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this is beating a dead horse. the conclusion is that he got screwed. end of story.

ROTARYFDTT

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I'm not sure how Aaron presenting entirely new information is being redundant.

mannykiller

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Hey guess what?!! There are 4 20B tension Bolts missing as well. hmmm...

EvilAreXeven

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Wow, I would take his *** to court if I were you. A plane ticket to his location for a small claims suit, and an infinite amount of affidavits from reputable builders as well as forum documentation regarding what he was advertising in the sale should suffice for a ruling in your favor - the decision should be a no-brainer. The best part of it all is, you'll likely get to keep all of the parts you have and you'd be able to attach judgment to his bank account/ wages for your money back (assuming he doesn't pay up). In all honesty, this would probably be the only way to be whole again.

PM me if you need some direction. Depending on his forum state, you should be able to set-up a trial date and serve a summons online for <100 bucks, so all you'd need to do is fly out on the date scheduled. Ask me how I know...... I don't enjoy getting ripped off.

doctorotor93

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this guy sounds like knows his shi* ! DO IT !DO IT ! DO IT!

73rx313b

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do it!!!!!! That sounds GREAT!!!

mannykiller

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I'm going to give him one more chance to make things right., if not, then the correct officials will make just take the money and make things right for him. The alternator he just sent me is bad. Autozone tested... it's trash. Also had my uncle who is a lawyer agree to accompany me to florida for a few days when carlo gets his summons.

bewtew

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I havent been on a while...

Let me start by saying that i don't believe anything that you say Aaron.

First of two rotors got damaged when i shipped them to you i gave you the option of replacing the rotors and taking care of the balancing or giving you the rest of the parts that you were going to purchase for free to replace the damaged parts(which is a lot more than the two rotors + balancing). i also told you that the plates needed to be lapped and im sure you got this on your text msg's just like you got everything else. i gave you the stationary gears with brand new bearings for free as well.

i NEVER told you i was going to give u a complete block and i sent you more than the parts that you asked for. you are saying how some parts are missing like tension bolts and other stuff but i never told u that it was a complete block. u sent me a list of items and i sent all of those exept the altenator which i later replaced. If is bad send me the autozone recipt and i will send you another one.

why dont you mention how you sold these parts to some guy in tx which called me asking for the stationary gears that i sent you to complete the motor mean while i have no idea who this guy is or how he got my phone #. he explained me how he bought all these parts from u but the center stationary gear was missing and u told him to call me.. how shady! what have you done with all the parts?

Now you are asking for me to give you back $1500 plus the coilovers which the two front ones are almost blown or sue me for $2300 + a set of brand new coilovers at $1600 and you get to keep all my stuff? YOU ARE OUT OF UR ******* MIND!

i tried to make you happy and do the right thing but at this point all i can think of you being a scam artist and try to pull a fast one. i never lied to you or tried to do you wrong, i have done everything to make the right thing but you keep making all these false accusations and you are trying to **** me.

mannykiller

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you don't have to believe anything I say. Everything is documented and the correct authorities in florida will deal with it ialong with me and my lawyer.

I'd also like to thank EvilRexEven for pointed me in the right direction and giving me all the info I needed.

rx7roller02

Alright, I have seen enough of this train wreck....

mannykiller--first you said that the rotors were bad but all the other parts were good. Then you say "the other parts are now junk as well". If you cannot tell the difference between good parts and junk parts, then perhaps you should not be buying parts like this. Not a judgment, just an observation.

You had an option to continue to fight for your money back. You chose to take a deal that he offered you. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! Let's take a little look into how things have been going for you lately....

THIS:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-rx-7-1993-2002-parts-99/20b-balanced-assembly-housings-mocal-oil-coolers-bunch-20b-parts-925287/

--is the original thread where bewtew advertised these parts for sale. Note the pictures. They are the exact same pictures you used in THIS thread:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-rx-7-1993-2002-parts-99/2-short-blocks-20b-glass-moonroof-engine-parts-monster-sale-galor-cheap-933580/

Soooo.....he sells you these parts, there's a problem with the rotors being damaged. You FULLY AGREE to take the rest of the 20B parts for $100 plus shipping. And then, when you get these parts, you put them up for sale for $3500 plus shipping. On 12/24/10, you announced that the 20B parts were sold. Then, on 1/7/11, you tell a half-truth here....

What you tried not to tell everyone is that you didnt "SEND the motor to a friend". You SOLD THE MOTOR.

So....youre pissed off because:

1--a seller sold you a bunch of parts that did not turn out to be what you thought they would be.
2--you try to work it out will seller but you no longer trust him.
3--seller sends you a bunch of 20B parts, listing them to be in a certain condition.
4--YOU TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD....EVEN THOUGH you say he has stiffed you already in this deal. WHY would you do that?

So, you say that this guy burned you. You go out of your way to paint him as dishonest. And THEN, you dont look into the rest of what he sent you? And THEN, you try to profit by selling the parts you got FOR FREE, for $3500? AND THEN, you do so without telling anyone here--even better yet, by trying to disguise the fact when you say "I sent these to a friend" instead of "I sold these"? You said "Now I am out $450 for shipping a bunch of junk..."--isnt the truth REALLY that you are out A LOT MORE because you sold these parts? Or did you plan on keeping that $3500?

Look, bottom line here, both of you really screwed this deal up. bewtew, dont EVER let me see you ship parts like this again. Bubble wrap is not sufficient by any means for those rotors, and you should have known better. manny, dont EVER let me see you telling only part of the story in a thread like this again. But there isnt anything more to talk about....manny, you no longer have these parts, so they cannot be returned for a refund. And there is NO WAY that I am going to require that he give you back the rest of the money/coilovers....you sold those parts for profit. And even when you sold them, you made no mention in your FD thread about the whole mess here. If either of you feels the need to pursue this further, you will have to do it in a courtroom because there isnt anything I can do with the way you guys have handled this.

manny, something else--when you agree to a deal, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS COMPLAINING ABOUT IT LATER. you AGREED TO TAKE IT. So take it already and thats that. And dont say "I only did what anyone would have done"-because you are flat wrong. I, along with others who have already told you in this thread, would have demanded a full refund and nothing less. Even if he didnt have the money, you could have worked out some kind of payment plan...something, ANYTHING. But you didnt. you took what he offered you and then you wrongly complained about it like you did nothing wrong.

This thread has outlived its usefulness at this point. Its really funny that these parts were so "shady" and this was so bad that manny then sells them for $3500....

rx7roller02

Oh, one more thing--I am glad that your uncle the attorney will travel to Florida with you from CA......I do hope he is a member of the Bar in Florida, or he will only be wasting his frequent flyer miles...

mannykiller

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First off you don't know all the facts, so despite you being a moderator your judgement doesnt change a thing.

I put the stuff up for sale because I decided not to go with the 20B and i'm pretty sure I closed that thread anyways. Secondly I didn't sell the stuff, I was supposed to sell the stuff, but after the parts were checked out and they came out the way they did, my friend (YES I SAID FRIEND) ended up trashing most of the parts. I assure you I didn't profit from ANY of the parts I purchased from Carlo. I've actually lost quite a bit of money on top of what was already burned.

I asked for my money back and he said he already spent it. So when he offered all the extra junk to me.. and he told me it was buildable then ofcourse I wanted to get something out of the deal. I did what anyone in my position would have done.

Also, you have no right telling me how experianced I am and what I should/shouldn't purchase. Whether or not you say "no offense"...because the context you use is offensive. For all I know carlo might be one of your buddies and your just sticking up for him. Well you know I have moderator friends as well, but although I notified a few of them first thing when I thought I was getting burned, i've chosen not to bring them into it because it has nothing to do with them.

And I have every right to complain about a shady deal. Thats what this section of the forum is for. If I sold you anything say a good rotor, with good pictures, you recieve it and its junk. Then you don't have the right to complain about it? I would expect you to speak your mind.
I've told every last detail in the thread, and I have absolutely nothing to hide. I'm not asking you to demand carlo to do anything, I am taking care of the ordeal and in no way do i expect anything to come from this forum.
Me having a build thread has nothing to do with this thread. I'm not going to bring negative things into something I enjoy doing. Thats your opinion and its fine that you voice it, but it doesn't mean its right.

rx7roller02

Um, actually it kinda does. Go read up on your TOS for further clarification.....

First, it doesnt matter if you closed the thread or not. You still conducted the sale. And you still were not completely truthful in your posting about it here.

Second, you have got to be kidding me. your friend "trashed the parts"....so let me ask you, how could anything be done to return what you received for a refund if the parts were trashed by your friend? For someone talking about all this big bad legal action, you arent very smart about how to handle a legal issue....that was about the worst thing you could have done. you now have NO legitimate documentation as to the condition of those parts. And if you bring in your friend, it would be simple enough for the other party to declare hearsay and the court would likely agree, since there is now no way to verify your claims....wow....

Again, false. And more than just one person in this thread alone told you to the contrary, but youre still claiming this line. What you should have done is stick to your guns--you would have had ALL the cards on your side if you were telling the truth. It doesnt matter if he has the money today or not because you could have worked a deal. We see it all the time here and elsewhere. The moment you opened that box and saw those rotors, you should have been suspicious of the whole deal, and SEVERAL people here told you that. So, dont sit there and tell me about "what anyone in this position would do". Clearly you got this one wrong. And if you really were seeking advice from an attorney, you would not have been told to act in the manner in which you have. Count on it.

Once again, yes, I do. Go read your terms of service. This is NOT a democracy. This is a forum where the moderating staff have been given the say-so for a reason. And the fact is this--if you do not know on your own what you are purchasing, or what you are selling, and you need someone to check it out for you so that you know what you really got, then at least be smart enough to have it checked out. You now say it wasnt dowel pinned--how do we know? You held the parts in your hands and YOU didnt know! That is a VERY DANGEROUS position to be in when you then try to sell them for such an amount of money. And YES, that IS 100% MY BUSINESS HERE. If you really dont like it, there are plenty of other forums you can join. But on THIS forum, the moderators pay attention to the classifieds for these kinds of reasons. Now, that isnt to say that you arent welcome here--you certainly are. But KNOW YOUR LIMITS. Because whether he sold you these parts falsely or not, if you had sold this to someone else that wasnt your friend, you AND YOU ALONE would be SOLELY responsible for the false description you gave.

I dont know "Carlo". I have never done business with "Carlo". I have not had ANY interaction on this forum before this thread with "Carlo". and I could frankly not care less if you believe that or not. This is not about me. As a moderator here it is my JOB to be involved in things like this. And that involvement is not subject to your approval. Bottom line, you both handled this poorly. I already mentioned that. There is no need for any further discussion there--I cannot try to get a refund for you because you trashed the parts--think about what that means. When you, for example, have a warranty issue, WHAT STORE ANYWHERE would take the product back for a refund when you TRASH IT instead of returning it and pursuing the refund? REALLY smart idea there....dont you think? Suppose you did sue him....how do you think that looks to a judge? "Yes, your Honor, he lied and sold me bad parts....No, I did not bring the parts in here today. No, I cannot get them checked by a reputable shop, you see, we trashed them". you do the math....I went to college for criminal justice and spend a good amount of time helping people deal with our court system. Clearly by the way you have handled this so far, you have no clue about the court system.

you have the right to complain, UP TO THE POINT WHERE YOU ACCEPT A DEAL TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. Once you do that ALL BETS ARE NOW OFF. The one and only thing you could have continued with would be the condition of the 20B parts you received, but we cannot do anything about those now, can we?? YOUR FRIEND TRASHED THE PARTS, so how can we even begin to verify your claims?


Simple then--then stop complaining when I said that this thread has run its course. Let it go then. If you have no expectation, stop acting like you expected me to do something more.

When you SELL the parts and tell us here something different, it has EVERYTHING to do with this thread.

You have trashed the name of a fellow member here. Your friend trashed the only thing that could have proven your harsh comments correct or not. at this point, you had better warm up to a concept--when the moderating staff post about how a thread is going to go, it is not an opinion. Like I said, this forum is not a democracy. Look at the top of the page, and click on the FAQ. From there, you can read the terms of service. We are human, and we try to make the right choices here. But those choices ARE NOT OPEN TO DEBATE IN A THREAD.

I do hope I have made myself and my point clear enough. This thread is done, until such time that either party has a legitimate update. I already called both of you out on where you went wrong here. You can disagree all you like, but if either of you chooses to ignore these concepts, and we find ourselves in another thread like this one down the road, someone's gonna be getting a boot off this forum.

bewtew

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You never answered my question Aaron.. What did you do with all the parts? what did you do with the E-shaft and counter weights. housings, stationary gears, plates, misc parts and everything that i sent you that you so claim to be trash?