Bewtew--- shady 20B Disaster
12-12-10, 10:05 PM
#26
The only way to ship rotor is to take thick card board all around the rotor and news paper so it can't move around, I had a similar situation happend to me when a rotor I shipped showed up damaged, I was responsible for the damage NOT the customer, I boxed up another one and shipped it out free of charge.
The right thing to do is give manny a full refund or replace the parts, Its not his fault the parts were not packed correctly and it sure aint UPS's fault either, They would deny the case even if insurance was purchased after they seen the packing or lack of packing.
The right thing to do is give manny a full refund or replace the parts, Its not his fault the parts were not packed correctly and it sure aint UPS's fault either, They would deny the case even if insurance was purchased after they seen the packing or lack of packing.
12-12-10, 11:39 PM
#27
i packaged the rotors, i never just throw them in a box like he claims nor sent him bad items..
Bottom line is that two of the rotors got damage and i gave him a discount of $800 off the parts that he originally wanted to paid $900 to cover the damage of the two rotors and balancing. He agreed, paid for shipping and thank me for fixing the situation.
like i said before I'm a very honest person and i don't go around doing things to hurt people. i took full responsibility for the damaged parts and i gave him a couple of options and he agreed to one of them.
Bottom line is that two of the rotors got damage and i gave him a discount of $800 off the parts that he originally wanted to paid $900 to cover the damage of the two rotors and balancing. He agreed, paid for shipping and thank me for fixing the situation.
like i said before I'm a very honest person and i don't go around doing things to hurt people. i took full responsibility for the damaged parts and i gave him a couple of options and he agreed to one of them.
12-13-10, 02:03 AM
#28
First off if you packed these rotors like this you are in nicer words and idiot. Secondly, maybe you placed them in a box, either way you packed them terribly which lead to this whole mess.
You've also ignored my question about the detonation on the faces of the rotors.
I think this is what happend.
You had a load of money, decided to build a car with. Ended up spending a hell of a lot more than you expceted. Then you lost compression in your front housing...pulled the motor apart and reaped the damages. You started getting low on money and figured you could sell this assembly for a pretty dime to someone (like me in this case). You packed the rotors poorly so you could blame the damages on the shipping company UPS. Otherwise the rest of the stuff would have been packaged accordingly...much like the eccentric shaft was.
You gave me 2 options... None of which included getting my money back. Thats a scam, and i'm not saying you are a bad person, but I am saying that in this situation you definitely knew that the rotors were damaged before being shipped. These typs of damages don't happen from metal on metal bumps....it happens from Detonation, which is probly why you pulled the motor apart in the first place.
You've also ignored my question about the detonation on the faces of the rotors.
I think this is what happend.
You had a load of money, decided to build a car with. Ended up spending a hell of a lot more than you expceted. Then you lost compression in your front housing...pulled the motor apart and reaped the damages. You started getting low on money and figured you could sell this assembly for a pretty dime to someone (like me in this case). You packed the rotors poorly so you could blame the damages on the shipping company UPS. Otherwise the rest of the stuff would have been packaged accordingly...much like the eccentric shaft was.
You gave me 2 options... None of which included getting my money back. Thats a scam, and i'm not saying you are a bad person, but I am saying that in this situation you definitely knew that the rotors were damaged before being shipped. These typs of damages don't happen from metal on metal bumps....it happens from Detonation, which is probly why you pulled the motor apart in the first place.
12-13-10, 11:41 AM
#30
I wondered about that as well, but maybe he truly didn't want to pay for it.
I don't know.. But what I do know is that there was a reason he pulled the assembly from his motor. And the dents on the rotor faces are DEFINITELY from detonation, i'm gonna post more pictures up of the faces today and maybe some experienced rotor mechanics can confirm this. I just find it hard to believe that whoever pulled the motor out didn't tell carlo the rotors were trashed.
- ap
12-13-10, 12:39 PM
#31
Bottom line, if a package is insured for 2000.00 bucks UPS would have opened the box to ensure that they were packaged right. They dont want the liability in a case such as this.
I cant remember the exact dollar amount but UPS will open the box to make sure its done right.
good luck
I cant remember the exact dollar amount but UPS will open the box to make sure its done right.
good luck
12-13-10, 02:47 PM
#32
I think it sucks that two rotors had to die but I read through this and ultimately its not that big of a setback for a 20B build.
As a previous poster stated, the damaged rotors are no different than any Cosmo, FD, or S5T2 Rotor. They are plentiful and they can be replaced easily enough.
As far as the housings not having sleeves - not that big a deal and they can be replaced in the same way if you had to. In fact, looking at the housings you received, one of them is a 13B housing anyway!
In the general scheme of putting a 20B together, thats still a bang up bad *** deal - especially since you got the rest of the engine for a steal!
Most 20B's are going for about 4 grand? You made out like a bandit.
As a previous poster stated, the damaged rotors are no different than any Cosmo, FD, or S5T2 Rotor. They are plentiful and they can be replaced easily enough.
As far as the housings not having sleeves - not that big a deal and they can be replaced in the same way if you had to. In fact, looking at the housings you received, one of them is a 13B housing anyway!
In the general scheme of putting a 20B together, thats still a bang up bad *** deal - especially since you got the rest of the engine for a steal!
Most 20B's are going for about 4 grand? You made out like a bandit.
12-13-10, 05:36 PM
#33
First off if you packed these rotors like this you are in nicer words and idiot. Secondly, maybe you placed them in a box, either way you packed them terribly which lead to this whole mess.
You've also ignored my question about the detonation on the faces of the rotors.
I think this is what happend.
You had a load of money, decided to build a car with. Ended up spending a hell of a lot more than you expceted. Then you lost compression in your front housing...pulled the motor apart and reaped the damages. You started getting low on money and figured you could sell this assembly for a pretty dime to someone (like me in this case). You packed the rotors poorly so you could blame the damages on the shipping company UPS. Otherwise the rest of the stuff would have been packaged accordingly...much like the eccentric shaft was.
You gave me 2 options... None of which included getting my money back. Thats a scam, and i'm not saying you are a bad person, but I am saying that in this situation you definitely knew that the rotors were damaged before being shipped. These typs of damages don't happen from metal on metal bumps....it happens from Detonation, which is probly why you pulled the motor apart in the first place.
You've also ignored my question about the detonation on the faces of the rotors.
I think this is what happend.
You had a load of money, decided to build a car with. Ended up spending a hell of a lot more than you expceted. Then you lost compression in your front housing...pulled the motor apart and reaped the damages. You started getting low on money and figured you could sell this assembly for a pretty dime to someone (like me in this case). You packed the rotors poorly so you could blame the damages on the shipping company UPS. Otherwise the rest of the stuff would have been packaged accordingly...much like the eccentric shaft was.
You gave me 2 options... None of which included getting my money back. Thats a scam, and i'm not saying you are a bad person, but I am saying that in this situation you definitely knew that the rotors were damaged before being shipped. These typs of damages don't happen from metal on metal bumps....it happens from Detonation, which is probly why you pulled the motor apart in the first place.
i was fully responsible for the damage of the items and YOU AGREED to take the rest of the items for a major discounted price($800) which should cover the dmg of the previous items. YOU were happy and once again thank me for taking care of the issue.
2-3 wks later you come on here bashing me and making all these crazy stories how i did this and how i didnt do that... You take the rest of my stuff, pay for shipping and come on here asking to send you $600 on top of that? are you ******* bipolar? the only scam artist here is YOU! i got nothing else to say to you.
I think it sucks that two rotors had to die but I read through this and ultimately its not that big of a setback for a 20B build.
As a previous poster stated, the damaged rotors are no different than any Cosmo, FD, or S5T2 Rotor. They are plentiful and they can be replaced easily enough.
As far as the housings not having sleeves - not that big a deal and they can be replaced in the same way if you had to. In fact, looking at the housings you received, one of them is a 13B housing anyway!
In the general scheme of putting a 20B together, thats still a bang up bad *** deal - especially since you got the rest of the engine for a steal!
Most 20B's are going for about 4 grand? You made out like a bandit.
As a previous poster stated, the damaged rotors are no different than any Cosmo, FD, or S5T2 Rotor. They are plentiful and they can be replaced easily enough.
As far as the housings not having sleeves - not that big a deal and they can be replaced in the same way if you had to. In fact, looking at the housings you received, one of them is a 13B housing anyway!
In the general scheme of putting a 20B together, thats still a bang up bad *** deal - especially since you got the rest of the engine for a steal!
Most 20B's are going for about 4 grand? You made out like a bandit.
12-13-10, 05:55 PM
#34
Why did you sell the rotating assembly then? did you just pull it out of the motor for the sake of selling it? sounds a little excessive to me..and fishy.
And your right... I agreed on taking the extra parts, and sent you a ist of things.. which you said would be in the packaging. When it showed up parts weren't in there... and when I asked about them, you said you already sold them a long time ago. So I got hosed again.
I'm not bi-polar in anyway, i'm just sick of people scamming people and even if I get nothing out of this, the rest of this forum needs to know what happened.
You'd be just as pissed if i sent you my coilovers and they were blown. But as it works out I held up to my part of the deal and you got exactly what you wanted...and i got hosed.
And your right... I agreed on taking the extra parts, and sent you a ist of things.. which you said would be in the packaging. When it showed up parts weren't in there... and when I asked about them, you said you already sold them a long time ago. So I got hosed again.
I'm not bi-polar in anyway, i'm just sick of people scamming people and even if I get nothing out of this, the rest of this forum needs to know what happened.
You'd be just as pissed if i sent you my coilovers and they were blown. But as it works out I held up to my part of the deal and you got exactly what you wanted...and i got hosed.
12-13-10, 07:05 PM
#35
Let me guess this straight:
1. manykiller bought some 3 rotor assembly parts off bewtew for $2300 + some coilovers worth $1200.
2. The rotors which were balanced came damaged and the rotor housings were in good condition… But they did not have exhaust sleeves in them.
3. mannykiller is out $525 worth of parts plus the cost of the assembly to be balanced (how much does that cost?)
4. After this issue came to light bewtew handed over $900 (+ shipping worth) of 3 rotor parts for $100. Therefore manykiller gets an $800 + shipping discount on parts he needs anyway.
So am I wrong? Did I miss something?
What bewtew shipped really puts him in a bad light IMO. Seriously bewtew… I don’t know what to think about that. As it looks really bad… But honestly I am missing what manykiller is complaining about. He got additional parts that cost more than what was damaged. So where is the problem? IMO this thread makes BOTH of you look REALLY BAD. Bewtew looks like someone who tried to pull a fast one (I’m being nice
) and mannykiller like an opportunist (also being nice ).
Edit- This is a case where everyone loses. IMO of course
1. manykiller bought some 3 rotor assembly parts off bewtew for $2300 + some coilovers worth $1200.
2. The rotors which were balanced came damaged and the rotor housings were in good condition… But they did not have exhaust sleeves in them.
3. mannykiller is out $525 worth of parts plus the cost of the assembly to be balanced (how much does that cost?)
4. After this issue came to light bewtew handed over $900 (+ shipping worth) of 3 rotor parts for $100. Therefore manykiller gets an $800 + shipping discount on parts he needs anyway.
So am I wrong? Did I miss something?
What bewtew shipped really puts him in a bad light IMO. Seriously bewtew… I don’t know what to think about that. As it looks really bad… But honestly I am missing what manykiller is complaining about. He got additional parts that cost more than what was damaged. So where is the problem? IMO this thread makes BOTH of you look REALLY BAD. Bewtew looks like someone who tried to pull a fast one (I’m being nice
) and mannykiller like an opportunist (also being nice ).Edit- This is a case where everyone loses. IMO of course
Last edited by Montego; 12-13-10 at 07:10 PM.
12-13-10, 07:13 PM
#36
at the time of the first incident you should have asked for a complete refund and say eff the parts and the discount and got your stuff back.... unfortunately you took a deal aka a bargain* that was offered.
It could have been packaged nice someone at ups could have stolen the parts and replaced them. this could be your old bad parts. this could be as you say a scam on his part. but without proof theres nothing that you are able to do. if you didn't accept the deal then i would have said hey hes wrong but you accepted a new set of conditions to compensate for the damaged parts.
as it is though this has turned out to be a horrible deal
bargain: an agreement between parties (usually arrived at after discussion) fixing obligations of each; "he made a bargain with the devil"; "he rose to prominence through a series of shady deals"
It could have been packaged nice someone at ups could have stolen the parts and replaced them. this could be your old bad parts. this could be as you say a scam on his part. but without proof theres nothing that you are able to do. if you didn't accept the deal then i would have said hey hes wrong but you accepted a new set of conditions to compensate for the damaged parts.
as it is though this has turned out to be a horrible deal
bargain: an agreement between parties (usually arrived at after discussion) fixing obligations of each; "he made a bargain with the devil"; "he rose to prominence through a series of shady deals"
12-13-10, 08:54 PM
#37
Let me guess this straight:
1. manykiller bought some 3 rotor assembly parts off bewtew for $2300 + some coilovers worth $1200.
2. The rotors which were balanced came damaged and the rotor housings were in good condition… But they did not have exhaust sleeves in them.
3. mannykiller is out $525 worth of parts plus the cost of the assembly to be balanced (how much does that cost?)
4. After this issue came to light bewtew handed over $900 (+ shipping worth) of 3 rotor parts for $100. Therefore manykiller gets an $800 + shipping discount on parts he needs anyway.
So am I wrong? Did I miss something?
What bewtew shipped really puts him in a bad light IMO. Seriously bewtew… I don’t know what to think about that. As it looks really bad… But honestly I am missing what manykiller is complaining about. He got additional parts that cost more than what was damaged. So where is the problem? IMO this thread makes BOTH of you look REALLY BAD. Bewtew looks like someone who tried to pull a fast one (I’m being nice ) and mannykiller like an opportunist (also being nice ).
Edit- This is a case where everyone loses. IMO of course
1. manykiller bought some 3 rotor assembly parts off bewtew for $2300 + some coilovers worth $1200.
2. The rotors which were balanced came damaged and the rotor housings were in good condition… But they did not have exhaust sleeves in them.
3. mannykiller is out $525 worth of parts plus the cost of the assembly to be balanced (how much does that cost?)
4. After this issue came to light bewtew handed over $900 (+ shipping worth) of 3 rotor parts for $100. Therefore manykiller gets an $800 + shipping discount on parts he needs anyway.
So am I wrong? Did I miss something?
What bewtew shipped really puts him in a bad light IMO. Seriously bewtew… I don’t know what to think about that. As it looks really bad… But honestly I am missing what manykiller is complaining about. He got additional parts that cost more than what was damaged. So where is the problem? IMO this thread makes BOTH of you look REALLY BAD. Bewtew looks like someone who tried to pull a fast one (I’m being nice
) and mannykiller like an opportunist (also being nice ).Edit- This is a case where everyone loses. IMO of course
Balancing a 20B rotating assembly is not cheap by any means. just for a 13B its clost to 400ish without shipping. Now add in the cost of 2-3 rotors because these one's can't be used... and that gets expensive. He first offered to give me a refund. When I said okay.. he told me he already spent the money. Me knowing how people work... needed to act as fast as possible to try get get something out of it so I took the rest of the 20B for 100 bucks and shipping. which ended up being around 550.00 dollars with the hundred I sent him. When I sent him a text with everything that I was getting he replied saying yes all of it. When I recieved the parts.. and I was missing parts that he said were there... thats when I had just had enough and decided to make this post. In my opinion I'm saving someone else from making the same mistake. End result was he tried to correct his blunder with another blunder and for that...there are consequences even if I don't get anything out of it.
12-13-10, 08:55 PM
#38
BTW, it is hard as hell to get money from the insurance you place on parts. They will check how things are packed and they will ask you to prove that the contents are worth what you say. You can't just go by what someone paid for something. This is made worse by the fact that the parts are used and even harder to peg a price on.
12-13-10, 09:26 PM
#39
For future reference to anyone shipping rotors. And I am sure some of you will agree who ship them on the avg.
Go to home depot and in the scrap pile get a couple 1/2" thick boards cut 8"x8"
Next you grab a small piece of 2x4 and plit it in half. This will be a peg for the center of the rotor.
Next nail or drill the small 8x8 to the strip of 2x4 as high as the side of rotor.
Next grab a crap load of news paper and card board and wrap the **** out of it with tape.
You can stack these two high and be perfectly safe. It was a total of $6 more on top of the shipping and that's with homedepot scrap wood and packing supplies.
Go to home depot and in the scrap pile get a couple 1/2" thick boards cut 8"x8"
Next you grab a small piece of 2x4 and plit it in half. This will be a peg for the center of the rotor.
Next nail or drill the small 8x8 to the strip of 2x4 as high as the side of rotor.
Next grab a crap load of news paper and card board and wrap the **** out of it with tape.
You can stack these two high and be perfectly safe. It was a total of $6 more on top of the shipping and that's with homedepot scrap wood and packing supplies.
Last edited by Alex Rodriguez; 12-13-10 at 09:48 PM.
12-13-10, 09:29 PM
#40
This is shipping related damage from edge on edge or just blunt contact during shipping
This is DETONATION Damage, which is probly why he was selling it in the first place.
It just seems obvious to me that the damage is not form shipping at all.
This is DETONATION Damage, which is probly why he was selling it in the first place.
It just seems obvious to me that the damage is not form shipping at all.
12-14-10, 01:46 AM
#42
The Rotors were NOT like that when i sent them out.
Aaron,
we can tell that the rotors are damaged but i never sent you the rotors like that. what's weird and fishy to me is that you come on here 2-3 wks after you recieved the rest of my parts valued at over $900 for $100.. how do i know you're not trying to pull a fast one and you didnt damaged the rotors your self? i wouldn't sell something damage with out telling the buyer period. never have and never will.
you agreed to a deal in order to take care of the issue.. it even took me a little long to send the rest of the parts to you because i was busy working, You never showed that you wanted to back out of the deal or anything.. YOU sent me payment and i dropped off the stuff at UPS and you were fine with everything, Called me and asked me how much to insure the parts for and i told you an X amount and u were cool with everything, you took cared of the shipping your self and a few minutes later you tell me how you appreciate me taking care of the issue.
After you received the stuff you did mention about the alternator and i told you that i happen to sell the one that i had way before we had a deal and it was my fault for not letting u know but i didn't think u were going to take the rest of the stuff back then, you said "no worries".
if it bother you so much why didn't you ask for one and i would of been more than happy to find you one.
2-3wks after you received the rest of my stuff you come on here flipping out and saying how i ripped you off and demanding $600 for the parts damaged when the issues was taken cared of the minute that you thank me over the phone and paid for the shipping of the rest of the stuff. I feel like the one that is trying to **** people over at this point here is you.. i really don't understand where you trying to get at with this..
i can send you an alternator because it was a misunderstanding and i will pay pal you the $100 that you sent me, now you got the rest of my parts for free instead of the $900 that you were going to pay for the parts in the first place.
Aaron,
we can tell that the rotors are damaged but i never sent you the rotors like that. what's weird and fishy to me is that you come on here 2-3 wks after you recieved the rest of my parts valued at over $900 for $100.. how do i know you're not trying to pull a fast one and you didnt damaged the rotors your self? i wouldn't sell something damage with out telling the buyer period. never have and never will.
you agreed to a deal in order to take care of the issue.. it even took me a little long to send the rest of the parts to you because i was busy working, You never showed that you wanted to back out of the deal or anything.. YOU sent me payment and i dropped off the stuff at UPS and you were fine with everything, Called me and asked me how much to insure the parts for and i told you an X amount and u were cool with everything, you took cared of the shipping your self and a few minutes later you tell me how you appreciate me taking care of the issue.
After you received the stuff you did mention about the alternator and i told you that i happen to sell the one that i had way before we had a deal and it was my fault for not letting u know but i didn't think u were going to take the rest of the stuff back then, you said "no worries".
if it bother you so much why didn't you ask for one and i would of been more than happy to find you one.
2-3wks after you received the rest of my stuff you come on here flipping out and saying how i ripped you off and demanding $600 for the parts damaged when the issues was taken cared of the minute that you thank me over the phone and paid for the shipping of the rest of the stuff. I feel like the one that is trying to **** people over at this point here is you.. i really don't understand where you trying to get at with this..
i can send you an alternator because it was a misunderstanding and i will pay pal you the $100 that you sent me, now you got the rest of my parts for free instead of the $900 that you were going to pay for the parts in the first place.
12-14-10, 02:18 AM
#43
The Rotors were NOT like that when i sent them out.
Aaron,
we can tell that the rotors are damaged but i never sent you the rotors like that. what's weird and fishy to me is that you come on here 2-3 wks after you recieved the rest of my parts valued at over $900 for $100.. how do i know you're not trying to pull a fast one and you didnt damaged the rotors your self? i wouldn't sell something damage with out telling the buyer period. never have and never will.
you agreed to a deal in order to take care of the issue.. it even took me a little long to send the rest of the parts to you because i was busy working, You never showed that you wanted to back out of the deal or anything.. YOU sent me payment and i dropped off the stuff at UPS and you were fine with everything, Called me and asked me how much to insure the parts for and i told you an X amount and u were cool with everything, you took cared of the shipping your self and a few minutes later you tell me how you appreciate me taking care of the issue.
After you received the stuff you did mention about the alternator and i told you that i happen to sell the one that i had way before we had a deal and it was my fault for not letting u know but i didn't think u were going to take the rest of the stuff back then, you said "no worries".
if it bother you so much why didn't you ask for one and i would of been more than happy to find you one.
2-3wks after you received the rest of my stuff you come on here flipping out and saying how i ripped you off and demanding $600 for the parts damaged when the issues was taken cared of the minute that you thank me over the phone and paid for the shipping of the rest of the stuff. I feel like the one that is trying to **** people over at this point here is you.. i really don't understand where you trying to get at with this..
i can send you an alternator because it was a misunderstanding and i will pay pal you the $100 that you sent me, now you got the rest of my parts for free instead of the $900 that you were going to pay for the parts in the first place.
Aaron,
we can tell that the rotors are damaged but i never sent you the rotors like that. what's weird and fishy to me is that you come on here 2-3 wks after you recieved the rest of my parts valued at over $900 for $100.. how do i know you're not trying to pull a fast one and you didnt damaged the rotors your self? i wouldn't sell something damage with out telling the buyer period. never have and never will.
you agreed to a deal in order to take care of the issue.. it even took me a little long to send the rest of the parts to you because i was busy working, You never showed that you wanted to back out of the deal or anything.. YOU sent me payment and i dropped off the stuff at UPS and you were fine with everything, Called me and asked me how much to insure the parts for and i told you an X amount and u were cool with everything, you took cared of the shipping your self and a few minutes later you tell me how you appreciate me taking care of the issue.
After you received the stuff you did mention about the alternator and i told you that i happen to sell the one that i had way before we had a deal and it was my fault for not letting u know but i didn't think u were going to take the rest of the stuff back then, you said "no worries".
if it bother you so much why didn't you ask for one and i would of been more than happy to find you one.
2-3wks after you received the rest of my stuff you come on here flipping out and saying how i ripped you off and demanding $600 for the parts damaged when the issues was taken cared of the minute that you thank me over the phone and paid for the shipping of the rest of the stuff. I feel like the one that is trying to **** people over at this point here is you.. i really don't understand where you trying to get at with this..
i can send you an alternator because it was a misunderstanding and i will pay pal you the $100 that you sent me, now you got the rest of my parts for free instead of the $900 that you were going to pay for the parts in the first place.
i'll simply wait for a tracking number for the alternator, and i'll wait for the 100 on paypal.
12-14-10, 11:21 PM
#50
manny = cool m'f'er
I didn't read any of the posts, but Aarron (sp?) is a great guy have bought/sold parts from him in person on several occasions. Stand up, uber cool guy, even went out of his way to deliver FD SEATS to me. Thanks again man, look forward to seeing that sucker on the street and track again! Hit me up if you're ever in LA.