Siraniko

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show me the money (quote from a movie - cant remember the title)

ilike2eatricers

jerry maguire!!

d0 Luck

i've been gone for awhile and this is what i miss?

wowww...............

Siraniko

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yup, **** happens to an honest person like me

str8ryd

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I don't personally know any of the parties involved so you can simply consider me an unbiased observer. Based on the details posted within this thread, I would have to say Eddie it seems Mel gave you plenty of opportunity to make this right prior to posting any details about this transaction. When you basically blew him off is when he took this route. It seems that Mel is even such a stand-up guy that he waited for "Doc" to give him the go-ahead prior to posting any details between the two of you.


If you didn't want it to come to this, you could've resolved this before you essentially forced him to take this route. IMO this does NOT bode well for you as a seller. I hope you two can get this resolved.

pshaw118

What a douchenozzle. If you really weren't "shady", you would've refunded Mel, then gotten your money back from your douchenozzle friend. That's how you maintain your "rep as a good seller/buyer".

Siraniko

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thanks to all for understanding my situation.

Siraniko

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sorry, but I missed this part. phone or verbal discussion with you is not worth it. I dont trust you so for arrangement and discussion please use PM. I will make time to go on line until this is resolved.

FC_EDDIE

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**** you, you dont know me so mind your own business. I hate **** talkers...especially ones that do it over the internet.
Not worth it? All of a sudden you're being a dick again? Mel seriously I'm trying to keep cool about all this and it seems like everyone taking your side is making your head as big as your mouth.

Cant wait til this **** is settled

rx7roller02

Allow me to put this as nicely as possible...

Even if you dont think it's his business, let me assure you that it IS mine. And you dont have any place coming in here talking to anyone like this, so can the tough-guy talk. If you put half that much energy into resolving this issue instead of trash-talking it would be done by now. You already ignored one section of our forum rules when you sold a motor for someone else.....dont come in here and blow off another part of our rules with this garbage. I would imagine that I have made myself clear enough to you on that point, so I dont expect that you would need to be told anything else about that much.

Allow me to clarify what he told you, because you clearly didnt understand it. He didnt say it wasnt worth it to talk to you. He was saying it wasnt worth it for him to talk to you over the phone because it would leave him without a record of what was said between you two. And that's just smart business. Dont come crying like youre the victim here....think about it. Why is it that you have such a hard time getting that when he's already been jerked around about this? First you were like "I will talk to my friend and have him refund you". Then it was "I'll check with him and let you know when we can meet up". And that in turn went to "hey I was just the middle man, you need to talk to him to fix this". You advertised an engine for sale. You accepted payment for that engine. You described it as having sat in your shop for 6 months--why in the world would anyone think that it was really someone else's motor at that point? When you list it for sale, YOU take on the responsibility for the transaction.

Another thing--I dont want to see excuses about how people dont have the money to pay this guy his refund. The guy that "really" owned this motor has been busy lately--doing what? Going to different competitions?? And at the same time he has the stones to claim he has no money? Last time I checked, going to D1 one week and Atlanta the next isnt free.


I am certain that your buyer shares this sentiment as well. To that end, here's what I propose. A plan needs to be agreed upon as to how this will be resolved. Mel has already agreed to return the motor for a refund. I expect that one week should be plenty of time for some kind of agreement to be made. It is really rather simple--he returns the motor and he gets his money back. That shouldnt be too hard to figure out. Now, as for the details between you and Sench, well, thats between you two. You advertised this for sale, and that makes you responsible. Sench stated he would guarantee the motor, and now he wants to go back on his word. If nothing else, this should tell you something about someone that you call a friend--if you have integrity, would you really want to keep friends like this? I would imagine not. So, before next Tuesday rolls around, I want to see a plan for this. I want to see it either posted in this thread or PM'ed to me. It needs to be a plan that both you and Mel agree upon. And it needs to be more feasible than just "I'll try to pay him back whenever I can".

If you two cannot agree to some kind of plan within a week, something's wrong. He has already shown you that he is quite flexible, and he has been kept waiting long enough already. You stated just a couple days ago in the west thread that you were "all over this" and that it "wasnt going down like this"......well, prove it.

In the meantime, the next person to come in this thread and post some ridiculous crap blasting someone will be dealt with in accordance with the rules that all of you agreed to abide by when you joined this forum. If you cannot handle it, then dont post. We are adults, that should really not need any more clarification than that. Buyer and seller should be the only people besides mods posting in here at this point. If anyone has a problem with that, feel free to PM me about it. We are here to RESOLVE these kinds of issues, folks, not to make them flame wars. Buyer and seller are of course free to PM me anytime if they have questions or would like some help in sorting this out.

Siraniko

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rxroller02 answered your question.

FC_EDDIE

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So i was more than willing to refund you Mel but i must back down. You took a motor apart that you, me and everyone else on here knows was "Supposedly" blown. If it were blown, why would you take it apart? Then i find out you recently purchased a blown motor from a local. Hmmm...all of a sudden you have pictures of a nasty motor that you cant guarantee was the one you bought from me. How do i know you aren't taking the good parts from my motor and the one you just bought and returning nothing but junk to me? Im sorry but i sold you a complete motor and you cant provide that anymore so the deal is off. You took a risk in buying an old motor and now you cant give me what is mine

habu2

Wow, that's really a stretch. An unbelievable, backsliding stretch.

rx7roller02

not so fast, chief....

How about some details, like who did he buy that blown motor from, and when did he get it?

Another thing, you were NOT "more than willing" to refund him, if you had been it would have already happened. You already basically told him to **** up a rope, because in your words you were "only the middleman here". So lets not start pretending that you have all this integrity that your actions clearly do not show. Fair enough?

Finally, he did NOT "take a risk". he bought something based on your description of it as being in good working condition. That makes YOU responsible for the outcome, as the seller. And until we see proof that he really did take apart someone else's motor and claimed it was the one you sold him, you are only slandering him and trying to get out of handling your responsibilities. If you have proof, by all means I would love to see it--like I told you I am about resolving things in here. If the guy tried to pull one over on you I will be the first to get the ball rolling in that direction.....but youre making a pretty big accusation here and you had better be able to back it up, or you owe someone some money back and a big apology.

FC_EDDIE

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First off, I will not mention any other names. fact is that right around the time I sold him my motor, he purchased another blown motor from another member, at least to my knowledge this is what went down.... Why would you need to buy a blown motor when you're clearly in need of a good running one to swap...

I'm not slandering anyone. I have no respect for 50 year old who thinks it is ok to threaten me or a friend. before it came to this stupid thread, he said he was gonna send people after us and putting a well respected driver's shop in jeopardy? I'm sorry but I'm half that age and I never threaten people.

Now I'm not sure what I'll get if I refund the full amount. If this guy is the rotary guru like he says he is, he might have hundreds of junk motor parts laying around to snap pictures of. I was ready to refund in full but for some reason you decided to throw it all away by tearing a motor down that was not to be yours any longer.


I'm not a dealership or a company that can offer warranties. The motor DID run FINE when it was in the FC, noone will even honor a warranty if you decide to tear down an engine (if I HAD given you a warranty I wouldn't honor it either). Please tell me what you plan on doing

Rob XX 7

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so his plan was to buy ANOTHER motor just so he can scam you out of his $250 refund?

I mean really, did you even read what you typed?

rx7roller02

Well, perhaps you should consider the fact that he has several rotary-powered cars in his family. Why would he only buy one engine, for example, if he had a project of his own, plus his son needed one for his car?? The guy's been a very knowledgable member here for 8 years and has had several RX7's....and his family has more than one at the moment. He's got over 12,000 posts and a well-proven reputation for helping people in this community. YEP, HE MUST BE A SCAMMER!!

OK, seriously, what is your malfunction? Looking through his posts, he has made mention of several different RX's that he and his family own or have owned recently. He listed for sale not too long back a black 1973 RX3, and has another RX3 at this time....his son has an FB, which is what he bought the motor from you for. His posts are filled with all sorts of technical help on everything from carbs to rebuilds to custom fixes he has used. This guy is a walking encyclopedia of old-school RX knowledge--and combined with the fact that he is so well known here, so highly respected, and has several RX's himself, it is blatantly obvious that if he wanted a motor badly enough he would not have had to resort to scamming you out of yours. Seriously, how the hell do you think someone can pour the $$$ into the build-up of that black RX3 he has if they need to shaft you out of $250?? Dude, put down the crackpipe and nobody gets hurt....

One more thing--if you arent willing to go the rest of the way with details about these accusations you've made then dont make them in the first place. You have all but called him out for supposedly scamming you, and now that youre challenged to bring forth the proof, you suddenly decide youre not going to talk about it? Look, mang, if someone shafted ME like you claim he did to you, believe me it would be pointed out. Whats the harm in posting about a sale that you say took place on a public forum? wow....just wow....

Again, proof? Or is this just more unfounded accusations from you?

I can tell you one thing that you'll get--your ability to sell parts here wont be restricted......around here we respect those who handle their business. You chose to ignore forum rules with this sale, and it bit you. That doesnt change in any way the fact that you still have a legal responsibility to man up.

EXACTLY--you said it! WHY WOULD HE NEED TO SCAM YOU OUT OF A MOTOR TO DO THIS? WHY would he need to buy someone else's motor to do what you claim he did? EXACTLY.....you just killed your own excuse, thanks for playing.

WOW....are you for real?

So, let me get this straight.....he immediately comes to you and says "its no good, the motor's blown...."--and you tell himi right away that you will handle it. Which, of course, you never did. It finally comes down to "here, I was just the middle-man, call Sench and talk to him about it." So, at that point, Sench refused to help him with this problem. Seeing how he got exactly nowhere with you two, he took the motor down and showed us what he saw. At that point, why would he have any reason to believe that you were really gonna take the motor back? Sench was just excuse after excuse and now youre doing the same....Seems to me that its perfectly reasonable for him to think he's gonna be stuck with this motor because neither you nor Sench can do the right thing. You didnt leave him much choice, and even then you try this ridiculous excuse? Sorry, that dont fly.


I highly recommend that you rethink this position. You sold a motor that didnt belong to you. You and Sench were in that together. Sench actually told this guy that he guaranteed the motor to be good:

Now, whether or not youre a dealer, it dont matter. You and your boy got together and sold this motor, and a guarantee came with it. At the very least you should be putting the fire to Sench for not honoring his own word and putting you in this spot in the first place.

Um, better check the dates again, chief. On 5/17, wacky started this thread. First post of the thread, he said this:

It wasnt until three days later when he tore the motor down and posted pics. Before he took one part off that motor, he was already told that you guys would not refund him his money. You need to try being honest here, seriously. This is nothing more than an excuse on your part to try to get out of handling your business, and it wont work--you know damn well that you guys refused to honor your word BEFORE the motor was torn down, so dont sit there and pretend that him taking it apart is the reason why you wont refund his cash.

Siraniko

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these are duplicates from the west forum


wow, you're still trying to save your face and your "not-so good reputation." I had a feeling that you wont be giving me a refund so I took the motor apart to see what is else is wrong. Here are my finding: high mileage motor (ehem, 67K miles ) and overheated If you cant even afford to pay "Lil Red" for selling him a junk motor, my chance of getting paid is very slim.

Your reaction was a little too late since I posted it on the other thead last week along with pictures then you tried to put the blame on me that I replaced them with bad parts. First, I dont believe in ripping off people. Why would I do something like that and for only $250? Come on Eddie, you're forgetting that if I can afford to gamble every weekend, why would I do something like that? In addition, I have several motors that just need to be assembled (yes, these are in better condition that the one you sold me). Secondly, forum members that knows me can "vouch" that I can afford to buy anything I want but I just want a simple life. So dont compare me with your life style Eddie.

And yes, I picked up another block from Rene since you said you were going to refund me (but you lied-refer to PM's in the other thread). His motor is still in-tact and sitting in the garage. and yes, it is a rebuildable long block with ECU and harness. I will be rebuilding it and it will be donated to another member whose FC has a blown motor. I think I forget to mention that my son's FB has been running right after D1.

Now, as I mentioned in my recent PM to you, I have a what we call "honor" and if you think I will rip you off for $250, again, you are 100% wrong. This thread is not about the $$$, but it is mainly to "prove" that you are "shady" and "not trust worthy." Do you know how many e-mails I got from other forum members about their bad experience with you? More than a handful. Dont trust smiling faces.

Siraniko

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using me as an escape goat I can see. this only proves that you are shady.

Siraniko

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thank you for the kind words I actually have 3 RX-3's and a 69 camaro with matching numbers (currently in the shop getting painted). unfortunately, a 6port motor and 2mm seals are not my cup of tea. I prefer 3mm and 4port 13-B's.

REPU_74

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what i really wnt to know is,wheres the real owner/seller of the engine "Sench" ur so called buddy???He should be at least 1/2 or fully responsable for this....

FC_EDDIE

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Look, to all, I have no reason to lie. I wouldnt let my rep go down for $250 but apparently it is.


Mel, You put the motor in maybe 3 or 4 days after you picked it up. You called me (very excited I might add) with the motor running and put the phone to it so I can hear. I heard it and you said, "it runs great! Thanks for your help!". The 3 days later you call to tell me it had a blown oil seal

The motor sat for over a week. During this time I was talking to Sench about why it would be blown, refund, plan of action, etc. Instead of handling **** yourselves you immediately came looking for me. You knew it was HIS motor and I simply posted it. You have his #, you met with him originally and you bargained prices with him, you stood face to face inspecting it yourself and you knew it was his deal. So what if I sold it. You initially dealt with him and agreed to make the sale final. Why would you drag me into this???? You knew it was all HIM. You just got mad that he wouldn't refund you and started dragging my name through the mud.

You tore the motor down based on a hunch that I wouldn't pay you??? WTF!?

You dont know me. I've never ripped a person off in my life! I still haven't.

Mel, YOU need to man up and call Sench. He called you yesterday and left a message requesting that you call him to sort things out. Have you??? Sench already told me to just leave things alone and that you 2 will be the ones disputing this. I know the rules say not to sell for anyone else but truth is that most of us have done it at one point or another. This, to me, is a ridiculous adventure that I dont plan on letting ruin my day.

As soon Mel and Sench had their first conversation I knew Mr. 12,000+ posts would make a big deal. I get the call form Sench like, "Who the F*** is this guy??? Talking about "I better grow eyes on the back of my head, I know people". Really Mel, if it's only $250, why would you threaten the safety of a friend? Is that what guys your age do to get off? If its not that big a deal, why would you emphasize on having your guys take care of it??? Your threats are jokes and you are too for making them. i thought you might be cool to deal with all this nonsense but you are not. You're the shady one for trying to act like a physical encounter with your gangster friends would resolve anything.

This has gone far enough.


Mel, call Sench, deal with him. he's more than glad to talk to you about anything as long as your conversations with him dont end in, "you better watch your back"



PS: WTF does my ad about wanting a PFC have to do with anything???

Siraniko

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hmmmm. no messages so its a lie again. you guys gave me enough BS so why do I need to call him. I dont need another drama. Unfortunately, your reputation is declining faster than than the stock market.

FC_EDDIE

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I was in the car with him when he called you yesterday.

As for my rep.... good one

habu2

edbltx7, when are you going to figure out your "buddy" Sench is the one screwing your reputation? You should be all over your "buddy" and see that he makes things right with Mel, not backing off and shunning responsibility. You brokered the deal, as such you are just as accountable for the deal as Sench is.

Refund Mel's money and then go get your money back from Sench. If he's really your buddy that shoudn't be a problem. IF he's really your buddy.....