9krpmrx8

Hoss would never do business with you again or recommend you to anyone else and neither would slash. It is as simple as that. Hoss is a nice guy, non confrontational. I am not. And I don't call out every vendor. Only those who are dishonest and full of **** like you. Even the other customers I know of would all only recommend you with a very specific warning.

You have an excuse for everything. On my turbo we made a deal, I paid you, and you did not do what I paid YOU to do in the agreed time frame. Did you offer to fix your **** ups? Sure, but if you can't do it right the first time then why would I expect you to get it right the second time properly and in any reasonable amount of time? The fact that you took a long time is not and issue, it's that fact that you offer up BS excuses about why you are backed up and about everything else instead of just being up front with your customers.

Yes, slash sent you parts back, and then you went silent. He got his money back but had he not gotten that charge back I am sure he would have been waiting a long while for you to fix your **** ups.

I love hearing about all your made up happy rx8 turbo kit owners. Keep the BS coming. And I don't have a posse, and I don't have to dig up dirt, you ruined your rep all on your own.

Like I said, all of your BS was exposed and is in the thread I linked. I have no problem being a stalker and if it saves some poor guy a ton of money and wasted months then I happy with that.

9krpmrx8

Yes, I paid over $800.00 to have a billet compressor wheel put on my turbo, have it "upgraded", and to have the hard lines for the coolant installed. After a couple of months and finally some pressure (I had a big event coming up and I ended up missing it) I got my turbo back in the mail from Comp Turbo and it did have the billet compressor wheel installed but no machine work was done to the CHRA and no hard lines were installed.

I was never told the turbo would be sent anywhere or that anyone other than Turblown would be doing any work on it. And of course Elliot blamed Comp for the delays and lack of work done on the turbo. So basically I paid $800.00 to have a compressor wheel installed on my turbo. Honestly I don't even know if it was rebuilt and what exactly was done to it aside from the installation of the compressor wheel.

He did offer to finish the work but at that point I had wasted two months and spent enough (plus shipping) with him and didn't want to get fucked around again because I needed to get the car running since it was on stands waiting for the turbo.

So I ended up having a local machine shop do the machine work and I had my own lines made locally. All in all it was a loss, I could have just bought a brand new turbo. And it was my own fault because I was warned by a buddy who had extensive dealings with him to stay away.

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

Yes you did offer me 100% refund, i still lost over 6 months and go through the hassle of shipping it internationally and back. I had to pay for that, not you

you make it sound like im the only one who complaints.
If you want i can still show the pics of the manifold from then and if you think that this manifold was built right i will pay you back for it and you can keep it and hang it on ur wall

And No i wasnt the only one that had issues. The friend who suggested to try your fabrication also run into many problems and ended up replacing the manifold.

and some other cars here and there in the states that also had similar type problems.

and since someone mentioned it, there will be your fans following you and worship your work that will end up jumping in this thread, just like on my thread 3 years ago

9krpmrx8

Yeah the time wasted due to BS delays and crappy fabrication is tremendous. Not to mention the additional shipping costs. I don't believe slash8 ever recovered his shipping costs.

I won't post pics but man if you saw the engine mount bracket that my buddy did have fabricated by a pro shop (more large sums of money) here you would be blown away because it is a shining example of proper engineering and fabrication. But I won't post pics because this (man who I want to insult) would just steal the design and try and copy it.

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

^I'm not here to censor anyone, but juvenile insults will get this thread closed down in a hurry. Let's keep it civil please

9krpmrx8

Gotcha, didn't realize I called anyone names. My apologies.

rx7roller02

I'll go one step further....

It's something that needs to be addressed when someone on RX8Club gets the shaft...but this isnt the forum that this discussion belongs on. Are there any RX7 customers that have had similar issues? If so, they need to post in here. Until then, this is done. While I can appreciate you wanting to warn people, this is not the way things should be done. If it didnt happen on this forum, I cannot do anything about it here.

Another thing--stop speaking for other people. They can speak for themselves. I dont need you coming in here speaking for other customers that had trouble with him, just like I dont need fanboys in here stroking turblown--every time someone has a problem with a shop like this, the fanboys come running along, thinking that their two cents somehow overrides the problem. Allow me to tell all of you, it doesnt.


So, here's how this is going to go.....

1--fanboys--dont even bother posting. Did you have a good experience with turblown?? Good for you. It does nothing to resolve the matter with another customer that you didnt ger screwed around with your deal. That info doesnt need to be posted here--in other words, dont post it here.

2--to the OP--stop posting for other people. Talk about your experiences on the proper forum, which is not the RX7Club unless your transaction took place through this forum. I understand how you feel, but this will not help you. I would rather see you take appropriate measures to get any resolution that would still be needed.

3--anyone else--there is no need to post anything more. If you are not a part of any of these transactions, then please move along.

4--turblown......damn.....you need to get some things cleaned up about your business dealings....as a business owner myself, I would NEVER allow ANY kind of ridiculous mess like what I see in these pics to go out to customers with my name on the business. NEVER. Your explanation on that black monstrosity is 100% BS too.....you chose to get a product in the mail regardless of quality...and there is no excuse at all for that. I'm also seeing a trend with you--outsourcing will hurt your quality if youre not careful. If you need to outsource like this, perhaps you have taken on too much work and should scale back....or at least be 100% up-front with REALISTIC time frames. It is up to YOU to set the expectation properly.....and you have not been. Good example--I had a customer that I just finished working for today....they changed their minds twice during the job. Because I set the expectation up front with them, and set it again every time they wanted to add to the job, they knew what they could reasonably expect. So, instead of finishing last week, I finished today. They were happy because they got exactly what they wanted. They didnt mind the extra wait, because they knew up front and were able to make their decisions with this info in hand. You need to do a much better job of things like that, it would seem.

Count yourself lucky too--because if I see anything like this from you on this forum, your selling status here will end quickly and poorly for you. Count on it.

rx7roller02

Son, you dont know me but you had better go check yourself....this crap was posted by you in the RX8Club thread....

You dont know jack about the moderators on this site. Biased?? Here's a tip for you-dont **** me off. Since coming back as a mod, and even before I stopped being a mod the first time, I NEVER displayed such bias....and this section is pretty much my deal. Other mods will do a lot of work here, such as Goodfella, but the few of us that work this section dont play these kinds of games. Myself, Goodfella and the others have worked our asses off to help people, above and beyond what our TOS requires. Several forum vendors have been shown the door in the last couple years due to problems with their selling. You dont know. You dont even post enough here to be considered a noob yet. Dont trash people on another forum because youre talking out your south mouth without any actual knowledge. I get emails and PMs on a near-daily basis from people asking for my help, so clearly the people on this forum arent nearly as afraid to ask for help as you claimed they are.....and if someone doesnt want to bring their situation up, thats on them. I cannot hold everyone's hand and do it for them.

Finally, I NEVER delete posts or edit posts due to any sort of bias. I will edit posts that involve stupidity or that violate TOS, but I do NOT edit out complaints, etc. This has NOT happened here. And until you can point out legit examples of us doing it, this had better be the last time you make BS claims like this about me/us.

I do believe I have made my point.

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

i thought i was going to put my horrible transaction aside, but when Elliot claims im the only one with a problem, i feel that i at least owe that to myself and show his great craftsmanship.

I said this before and i will say it now

YES you did offer me a refund but under what circumstances Elliot?

When half the forum said that this manifold was a POS? and the other half said that this manifold was fantastic. Not sure if those followers of yours with such statement, are either blind or stupid and excuse me for hurting their feelings

R-R-Rx7

iTrader: (24)

First of all,

okay you wanted to brace the manifold.. Even though this was the 100% completely wrong approach to brace it. why on earth would ANYONE with some common sense use a used engine stud?
perhaps never heard or seen any metals expanding with heat and crack in no time when they are solid as this

what was the point of using a much smaller pipe for the wastegate and then use the flange for the V60?
at the end of the day, i could just buy a v44 wastegate and put it there.
and the excuse was : "i cant find that type of bend in a 60mm pipe".
hmmm OKAY

Then, when i asked for a fully SS manifold but the flange was NOT SS.. why the extra charge and at least let me know before hand? and how do i know it wasnt SS.. i don't know, SS maybe magically turns magnetic in cyprus. WHO KNOWS


if you cant make a collector, or if you gonna be making collectors like this. Try other suppliers where they can custom build the collector the way you want, not the way you did.


Was that manifold going to work? Sure would
For how long and with what kind of performance was a different story


As you were informed, my car is RHD. putting everything together, the downpipe wouldn't even pass the brake servo.

If you want me to continue with the story, and still blame me for not accepting this junk, just let me know


I always thought you had the potential if of course you wanted to, to build a real manifold.
when i got my refund and still at loss ( with the deleted thread) i thought i wont deal with you again and kept my promise since
after seeing this on this thread among with the other stuff i saw and the comments you made for me lets say it triggered my bad feelings towards your work

abc

I'm abit Speechless....on both ends.

9krpmrx8

I don't have many posts here but I have been lurker for many years and I have read thru many of the more famous bad guy threads. It just irks me when I see people blindly support certain vendors and identify them as stand up professionals when they are not.

And the reason I posted this here is because I recently learned of another RX-7 owner who had very similar issues and will post up soon. My whole point of this thread is to let people know of these situations and let people take the information and decide for themselves. Some people don't get online much, some people just think there is no point in making it public, or are just so deflated after losing so much time and money that they just don't want to talk about it. I for one, feel that these situations should be made public so that a fellow rotary lover does not get the shaft. I have avoided dealing with a few companies thanks to bad guy threads.

I sincerely apologize if I insulted any of the administration of this site.

9krpmrx8

Oh, and that manifold is crap is crap in so many ways I don't even know where to begin. It actually shows a pretty basic lack of understanding in the finer principals of turbocharging and fabrication. Someone needs to read Corky Bells book,

rx7roller02

If youve been here that long, then you should know the rules better than this. If it doesnt happen on this forum it doesnt need to be posted here. And if it did happen here, then the people involved are the ones to post about it.

Here's your chance, hotshot, to post up links to threads where I EVER did this. The moderation of this feedback section has, for the most part, been up to me for some time now, so if youre talking about "the moderators of that site" doing anything close to "blindly support vendors", then chances are good you would be talking about one of my posts. So, lets see where you think I did this.....put up or shut up. Everyone who has dealt with me in here knows I am the LAST person to pull some sort of good ole boy crap like that. A hint for you--since I became a mod, this forum has seen many vendors purged from the ranks because of unacceptable dealings here. I am one of the people who has led the charge on that. I am also certainly not the only mod to do so. The team that works this section is the best it has ever been.

Then tell your friend to grow his very own set of ***** and post it himself. YOU came in here posting about ANOTHER FORUM, not your RX7 friend.

Your whole point of this thread was to attack someone whose work you dont like, and you did so in a manner that goes against this forum's TOS. We dont have the capability to warn everyone about every shop in the land that has done someone wrong. EVERY SHOP at some point has pissed off at least one customer. That is why our rule is in place.

In either case, do a little research on my posting in this section. You will not find a forum ANYWHERE that has mods that go as far as we have, and do, to help members that have been screwed over. I have memberships with databases from my bail enforcement days that I still pay for, so that I can help people locate someone that tries to cut and run. The mods that work this section have worked their collective asses off and helped a LOT of people where just about every other forum out there says "hey, buyer beware....its in the rules man.....". You came in here having made accusations that I did not earn and damn sure dont appreciate.

Frankly, I dont care what you feel. We're all big boys and girls....and each of us has the responsibility on us to handle our own deals. That isnt your right--to post on someone elses behalf. If they dont want to post about it, thats their call--but it isnt yours to make.

9krpmrx8

If you feel this thread does a disservice to this community then delete it.

rx7roller02

Therein lies another part of your dishonesty--I do not delete threads from this section, period. We do not hide threads about vendors. You claimed we edit and delete them. You are wrong.

This is over. It's done. Keep trying to confront me like this and I will just toss you out the door for good. You got caught lying about us mods, and how we moderate. Man up and own up or just get lost. I'm done wasting my time on your dishonesty.

slash128

https://www.rx7club.com/bad-fugly-bu...great-1027676/

It is true that I had a horrible experience with Elliot/Turblown and will never do business with them again. I will also share my story in hopes that others do not fall victim. The poor quality was only part of the problem. The bigger issue was the dishonesty. Before placing my order I asked Elliot if he had experience building a low mount kit for the RX8 and he said yes. But apparently that was a lie:

This is from February:
"With the low mount we always put the o2 bungs( two of them) in the downpipe."

This is from May:
"Are you putting two O2 sensor bungs on the downpipe?"
"Just one for the stock o2. You will not get an accurate reading from any o2 sensor in the downpipe on a low mount kit."

Also from May:
"The real problem is you are the first one to get a full low mount kit, and I've just been trying to vastly improve on everything, and there are a lot of things I can't forsee until I am right on top of them. "

“Its hard to commit to a timeframe when I really have no idea what all it takes, I haven't done this before.”


I told him I wanted to keep the stock battery location and OMP to which he replied this would not be an issue. But halfway through the build he started changing things, said I would have to remove the front cross brace, move the battery. He said the kit would be complete in 6-8 weeks, but after I paid in full he started having delays. At the end of 6 weeks, after telling me he was on schedule and asking to charge my card for final payment he finally admitted he didn’t even have my turbo in his possession.

You can read all about it in the post over at RX8 Club. Make sure you read the entire thing.

The Turblown Low Mount Turbo System - RX8Club.com

I tried to work things out civilly, I even kept my cool on the forum until Elliot flat out blew me off and told me I would have to address the issues on my own if I wanted them fixed:

“If you want to keep the underbrace you need to modify it.”

Also, when I asked him why he didn’t tell me what I would need to modify on my car to fit his kit he replied with:

“I am not responsible for informing you about what does and does not need to be modified. That is your responsibility.”

To fix a clearance issue instead of doing it correctly he ground the top of a perfectly good wastegate. See first attached photo.

I can go on with all this stuff, these are just some highlight, but it’s all documented in the link above. When I finally got tired of this, about 7 months after I placed the order, I filed a dispute with the CC company. With them on his back he made a weak attempt to fix some of the issues and second attached photo is an example of his craftsmanship with the motor mount bracket.

Also, I did get my money back. Elliot, if you want your misc box of leftover parts back I already told you on the other forum to give me your FedEx account number, I will make sure it all gets back to you. I am not spending another dime of my money on this fiasco of your doing. I told you then that if you didn’t claim it in a week it’s going in the trash. This is your last chance, if you want it you pay the shipping. Let me ask, if I didn't get my money back, as you claim, then why should I send the misc parts back, and when are you going to send my fixed kit back to me?

Elliot said the fitment issues were my problem and I was in over my head. But after I got my money back via the CC company, because Elliot held my kit hostage and would not ship it back unless I dropped the chargebacks, and he was deadset against giving me any money back, I started piecing together my own kit. In less than two months I had all the parts INSTALLED AND RUNNING, see third attached photo. Kinda says something about your "kit"

But oh yeah, in your words "The turbo kit was designed for optimum performance, not optimum fitment." Which is contradictory to your site: "All units are hand built on Rx-8 Chassis in house ensuring best possible fitment." Call me an idiot but I don't understand how you can have optimum performance when things don't fit together.

thethingthatshouldnotbe

This is why I deal locally. This is just crazy on many levels. This is also why I do not offer my services on the forum. I can't make things for a car 500 miles away perfect. And when you buy things that are custom built they should be perfect.

slash128

I kinda felt this way too. Unfortunately Elliot/Turblown doesn't see it this way. I would have been a much happier customer if:

A) He was honest with me
B) Kit was delivered built as agreed upon
C) Timeline was even remotely close to the expectation set

estevan62274

iTrader: (32)

WTF!!


Why is all this RX-8 bullshit here????

RX-7 guys don't go posting there crap on the RX-8 forum!






.

vrx8

iTrader: (18)

^^^^ Doesn't make any sense. He's a vendor on both forums.

slash128

The intent is community sharing with the hopes of sparing others going through this, since he does business here as well. If this was going on here on this forum when I placed my order I would have greatly appreciated someone popping over and giving the heads up on the rx8 forum.

rx7roller02

THIS THREAD IS CLOSED. Now, people with no dig in the fight are just showing up and dropping insults. Thats a sign that this thread has run its course.

I will add one observation though--you all recall the black monstrosity that was supposed to be a finished product, from the first post? Turblown specifically quoted that pic and said that this was not a good piece--that he only sent it out because he overlooked it and it was a rush job, thrown together because he didnt want anyone complaining that it wasnt sent out on time. Funny thing, as I look at slash's photos, I see in the second photo the exact same kind of bracket welded up. The same materials, the same ridiculous work. The only difference is that it isnt black on slash's car. This would lead me to believe that the bracket in question is turblown's standard piece for this kind of setup. And thats a mighty frightening thought....

there you have it folks--now, for those of you that are considering using turblown, you can make your decision with these accounts in the mix. You decide.....