Supernaut

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Try to check here...

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

If you look hard enough, I'm sure you'll find it.

Banzai-Racing

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FACTS:
1. A Greddy FMIC was purchased and installed on Ratjar's car.
2. Ratjar had an accident with a raccoon shortly after picking up his car from us, which resulted in a broken front end and bent fenders.
3. Ratjar reinstalled factory front nose, and repaired the damage to the FG one to sell.
4. Ratjar brought the car back for tuning in late June, I deemed the car unsafe for street tuning, he could not afford dyno time. Bald & dry rotted tires, broken PPF, front nose held on with only 2 bolts.
5. Ratjar did NOT mention his concerns about the IC when the car was at the shop for post break-in tuning. He changed the front end, I could have inspected the IC at that point.
6. We attended the Woodward Dream cruise in MI, ratjar never mentioned the IC to us then either.
7. Late Aug. We received a phone call from a different customer, telling us that Ratjar is spreading rumors that we scammed him.
8. We contact Ratjar via email and he admits that the real issue is that I would not tune his car.
9. Ratjar starts thread on forums, then emailed us AFTERWARD saying he would be contacting his attorney.
10. On THREE separate occasions we offered a FULL refund, by simply returning the FMIC kit to us, undamaged
11. We removed Ratjar's car from our website, it is for Customer's Cars. When he decided to post malicious threads, he was no longer a customer. Having your car on our website is a privilege, NOT a right.
12. We supplied copies of our invoices to the mods on this forum and the thread was deleted from this forum.
13. Jason and RX7store have absolutely zero first hand knowledge of any of our business dealings with any of our customers. He shows extremely low class and lack of professionalism in even participating in this thread.

Misc. Facts:
a. Removing the IC from any FD does NOT render it inoperable, you can drive around all day long without an IC or piping in the car
b. The BOV itself is NOT welded onto the piping, it is a Tial, the flange is welded on ONLY.
c. Ratjar was attempting to scam us for a partial refund so that he could keep the IC and afford to have his car tuned
d. Ratjar expressed that he thought it was perfectly OK to drive around with a broken PPF, even though we had warned him that it would cause additional damage to his car. Which it did.
e. Ratjar has been permanently banned from our shop.

We have 100% positive feedback with exception to this vindictive thread, posted by a person who's sole intention is to tarnish our reputation (which he has admitted is his objective). There are a minimum of 10 positive threads in the Good Business Forum alone.

Ratjar

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If chris could prove ANYTHING with the pictures he wouldve posted them a long time ago. The only thing he has done to argue with me is true and discredit me by saying I wrecked my car. Post some REAL proof and everyone can make a decision.

Try***

Jason

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Pictures of the intercooler and the car would take care of this entire argument. It would prove who is lying. Banzai has been asked 3 separate times if he emailed Ratjar the picture of that intercooler he posted and he has avoided the question every time. He is also avoiding posting pictures of the intercooler which we know he has because we saw them up on his site. If Banzai was telling the truth he would have posted the pictures already to disprove what Ratjar is implying. Banzai silence speaks volumes about what is the truth.

rx7roller02

wow...just wow....

NOW HEAR THIS

The ONLY PEOPLE who have ANY business from this point forward posting in this thread are the two parties involved and any moderator that is conducting forum business. THAT IS ALL. NO EXCEPTIONS. If you post here after my post, and you are not one of the above-mentioned parties, YOU WILL RECEIVE A BAN as compensation for my having to clean up your crap. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DUMP ON PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAVE NO PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT WHATSOEVER.

JASON--you seriously need to check yourself--and fast. You dont have any excuse--you damn well should know better. I dont care who you talked to or what they said to you--STAY OUT OF THIS THREAD. You cannot even imagine how pathetic it makes you look as a fellow vendor/rotary business, in here trashing the name of a very well respected business THAT YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE. What is your malfunction?? GROW UP and leave this thread NOW. You had no place posting on the first page, demanding that Chris show YOU pictures of the build.....who do you think you are, exactly? You really overstepped yourself on this thread, now its time to get out while youre still behind.

RATJAR--this is the one, only, and final time I will tell you this--do NOT make one more accusation on this forum against ANYONE without PROOF. Is that clear enough? And by proof, I dont mean the weak arguments you have made on this topic. PROOF would be something that doesnt make you look so shady. Jeez, the guy offered you a FULL REFUND and you REFUSED to take it....and yet youre still bitching about how he "ripped you off"? What kind of a moron would pass that up?? THINK ABOUT IT--you claimed he sold you an ebay $200 knockoff......so, here were your two options:

1-keep the FMIC thats in your car and thats that.

OR--

2-return the FMIC undamaged, and get $880 back...then you could have bought that $200 ebay knockoff and had over $600 in your hands....

What kind of idiot passes on that? If the FMIC REALLY was your problem in all of this, the whole mess would have been resolved the minute you were offered that full refund and I dont give a damn what anyone here says--they ALL know it. The truth needs to be said, and that truth is this--for someone who thinks he has such an axe to grind, youre nothing but a lot of loud talk. Even when the shop youre slandering offers to refund your money you STILL have nothing to say but more trash? Most shops would have told you to take a walk, and thats a fact--you got your car back in June, I believe. That same month you hit a raccoon, damaging the front end, you put a different bumper on the car. You ran into Chris more than once, and even then you had nothing to say about this so-called rip-off. Most shops will not be interested the minute they learn that you worked on their work yourself....thats a fact.

Here's another good question--you apparently know enough about this stuff to claim that the minute you looked at the IC you suspected it was fake. BUT WAIT--you claimed that DURING THE BUILD Chris send you the pic of the FMIC in the box. If you knew enough the moment you laid eyes on it after removing your raccoon-damaged bumper to know it was a fake, then why didnt you know enough when the build was in progress? You posted that same photo in this post:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...59&postcount=7

--in March of this year. So, something isnt right--either you werent being honest in March or you havent been honest since June. And THEN, youve been driving around in a car with a busted PPF, and you claimed that it couldnt be the source of any of the problems you've had?? Then please explain this thread you posted here, in August...

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/drivetrain-shaking-bouncing-857532/

Finally, with the reputation youve been building yourself here, you would be wise to stop this nonsense and simply go about your business. NO INTELLIGENT PERSON refuses a FULL REFUND multiple times, and then continues to whine and bitch about how the shop in question "ripped you off" and wont do anything to make it right!

Oh, and one more thing--PLEASE tell me this actually isnt you....

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...id=14777873049

If it is, that might explain a few things.

NOW--for anyone else, dont even THINK about posting in this thread. A moderator already asked you guys to knock it off and you couldnt even have the basic decency to respect that. So, now its my turn....those of you that frequent these sections know better than to doubt me.

THIS ENDS NOW.

Any questions? Didnt think so.

Ratjar

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How about Banzai shows some sort of proof on their end?

I have not seen receipt for the Greddy FMIC (even if I did i dont know how he could prove it was the one he installed in my car), They refuse to show pictures of it being installed which we all know they have. My project was deleted off their website. How obvious is it? They finally offered me a refund AFTER they blocked my emails and AFTER I posted on here.

I have NO idea who that is on facebook, or how you even got to that page. If you are really interested in my personal life here-

www.myspace.com/paintballeskimo
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?...25&ref=profile

Banzai offering a full refund doesn't admit guilt? if it were a real Greddy he would've just said "no, thats the part you ordered, sorry about the confusion, heres the receipt and pictures"

if Chris wants to make this right he will post pictures and prove me wrong, if he cant do that (which he cant, because he installed a fake on my car) he will offer me the FULL refund PLUS the install charge. I paid for that with waiting and having to deal with this.

mar3

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ok, rollr, I'm finished sweeping up.

The Sheriff of GG/BG has spoken. Myself, I'd just be deleting posts but the rules here have been laid out very clearly by him, so there you go. Don't tempt the Fates.

Mario III

rx7roller02

This will be addressed once I get in from work this evening.....found some very interesting things while digging through the last train wreck, ratjar....you may wish to consider changing your story here and now, before I have to do it for you.

Banzai-Racing

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Our policy is to always try to work with the customer, offering a refund is called customer satisfaction, which was offered under the condition that the IC kit be returned to us complete and not be damaged. This offer was made prior to seeing pictures. This was refused several times and is no longer an option. We have doubts that the IC he has provided pictures of is the IC we installed on his car.

The only reason a refund was offered AFTER posting here was we were never contacted PRIOR to him posting.

We received this email AFTER the threads were started:

Greddy confirmed the FMIC is NOT their product, I will be contacting my attorney, and the BBB, thank you.

Ratjar filed a complaint with the BBB, this was another attempt to extort money from us. We have already received an apology letter from the BBB.

Ratjar's emails have been blocked. We have no obligation to accept threatening and/or harrassing emails from anyone.

Now Ratjar wants a pay off again, after posting that he has "nothing to gain by making these threads". The "satisfaction" of posting multiple threads on various forums is the only payment he will receive. He will receive nothing from us.

The car has been removed from our website, ratjar is NOT A CUSTOMER, those galleries are for CUSTOMERS ONLY. He has been PERMANENTLY BANNED from our shop.

Greddy only says that the pictures that Ratjar sent are not their product. This means nothing. I can send them pictures of a thousand different parts that are not their products.

We installed a Greddy IC, he then destroyed it/sold it/still has it, only he knows.

As far as we are concerned this issue is closed, we will not participate in this thread, full of false accusations, made by an individual that is known to scam people for as little as $60. I do not care if he finally paid it back after a month , considering it took threats of being perma-banned from the mods. Unlike other vendors we actually have cars to work on and engines to build, and do not have the luxury of trolling the forum all day. So let my "silence speak volumes" about how busy we are and that we do not have time for this.

Again, this was attempted once before and Ratjar was found wrong and the thread deleted.

Ratjar

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really? like what?

Im not going to change my story because my story is what happened. still waiting on the pictures. you obviously don't have any interest in the truth, whos side are you on here? I would think you would care more about the users than a shop.

zayrx7

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gsl-se addict

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^Are you trying to get the boot?? Maybe you should read post #30.

mar3

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You were warned...goodbye for three days, zayrx7.

Ratjar

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Chris as a shop owner is legally obligated to keep receipts for his work. Not that it would be hard to produce a receipt for a greddy, considering he has 8 or so car sin the shop at a time.

thank you mar3 for your input and consideration, i wont forget it.

I just cant seem to see how its my responsibility to prove guilt, I feel I already have. And its now banzai-racings turn to prove their innocence.

rx7roller02

Lets you and me have a little chat.....shall we?

First off, you better watch yourself and how you talk to me. Just this past week, you had to be threatened with a permaban because you wouldnt man up and refund SIXTY DOLLARS to someone that you publicly admitted that you owed it to. Let's face it, your reputation on here isnt the best. Mine, however, in this section, is quite different. I have bent over backwards, spent my own money, and a TON of my own time and resources to help the members of this forum. I dont give a damn if you like me but you WILL show a little more respect than to falsely accuse ME of not being interested in the truth around here. I do believe I've earned it. What have you earned?? You've been dishonest since the word go.

OK, now that we got that out of the way, I took a look at your original thread about this issue again. Two things jump right out as BS. First, here is your original post from that thread, with comments added from me as we go:

YOU were the reason why it took seven weeks, werent you? So why did you make it sound like they kept you hanging on? You didnt have the money to get your car sooner.....tell the truth. Let's continue--

WOW, you "smashed your bumper"? You had to "pick up the pieces and put them in the trunk"? And you had to "limp home"??? So then, DO TELL, why is it that in this new thread, you claimed this:

https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=23

SOOOO.....it's NOW "just a coverup by banzai"?? Earlier you said you SMASHED the bumper, and BROKE PIECES OFF OF IT. And NOW, in THIS thread, you post a pic of a perfectly good bumper, claim that "heres a shot of the bumper after the raccoon", and say that there was no damage?? AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE ARENT TRUSTING YOU?

Face it, you flat-out lied and you just got caught doing it. RULE NUMBER ONE, FOLKS--the truth NEVER needs to be supported by lies. If what youre claiming was true about banzai, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO LIE LIKE THIS?

OK, on to the second point. You posted this in your original banzai thread:

Keep this in mind, you posted that at the end of August.

Now, back in March(which happens to be several months before August), you posted in your "my gt35 build" thread several pics of what was going on with your car. You posted the same pic you've been standing on now as proof--and it shows an intercooler with no markings on it. So, THINK REALLY HARD ABOUT THIS--if you really got that pic in March, and you obviously saw it in March, WHY would you be shocked as to what the intercooler looked like in August? Whether banzai screwed up on this remains to be proven--and I am NOT simply writing that off despite your unfounded attacks on me--but YOU SAW THAT PICTURE BEFORE YOU GOT YOUR CAR BACK. So why would you have been so shocked about what the intercooler looked like several months later?

Hell, let's throw in a couple more points while we're at it. In your original thread:

You posted up one of the pics in this thread that you sent to Greddy.....it has a date on it of 8/20/09, as stamped on it by the camera. Funny thing--you emailed Greddy BEFORE that pic was taken, and supposedly sent them that pic for their review. You emailed banzai before you took that pic, to ask them where your IC came from. Sorry, but that simply doesnt add up.

Let's take a look at this using simple logic, as well.....you have no complaints about everything else on the car. You dropped SEVENTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS at their shop. And you think that they need to rip someone off a few hundred bucks in that process? I have to tell you, simply from the point of view of logic, that makes no sense. It also makes no sense that they repeatedly offered you a full refund of the price of the intercooler and you TURNED THEM DOWN. Why?? because you think youre entitled to the refund of the labor cost? Sorry, jack, you arent. They DID do that labor, they did NOT charge you for labor not done, so you arent entitled to a penny of the labor cost back, even if this was a screw-job. It is that simple.

Another funny thing--you noticed this a week after you brought the car home. You were concerned enough to "take 10 pictures" and email Greddy about it. But when you went back to banzai the next month, WHY didnt you mention it? WHY didnt you have them look at it and show you how it was the real deal? YOU HAD THE CAR RIGHT THERE--and you were SO concerned that you were just ripped off $600 that you....said NOTHING? did NOTHING? Look at the persistence you have shown ever since....THAT SIMPLY DOES NOT MAKE A SHRED OF SENSE.

Then, in August, you had already heard back from greddy, and THEN you saw Chris again. And AGAIN, you said nothing. did nothing. Seems to me that if you REALLY had such a valid argument, you wouldnt be waiting until you were safely behind your keyboard to do something about it. I know damn well that if I thought someone took $600 from ME, I wouldnt be waiting until I wasnt face-to-face any longer. This can only mean one thing--your posts are only the way they are because youre safely behind your computer. And that is pretty sad, it's cowardly among other things.

Banzai is not out of the woods on this by ANY stretch, but YOU have been lying out your south mouth ever since you began this crusade. Why would you need to do that if your whole story were true? YOU WOULDNT. Thats the one and only answer.

Finally, you need some correcting on this point--it is not up to banzai to prove their innocence. It is up to YOU, as the one who brought the accusation, TO PROVE YOUR CLAIM. Do you even understand the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"? It's only the basis for this country's entire system. If YOU accuse someone of doing wrong, then YOU had better have PROOF. And up to now, you have not provided any. What you HAVE done, though, is change your story. Your raccoon accident went from "it was smashed, pieces broke off and I had to limp the car home" to "I was going slow, the raccoon walked away and the bumper was not damaged, the car was just fine". Are you REALLY going to sit there and tell me that your story never changed?? Or that it doesnt need to? Maybe if I wait long enough, you'll present a THIRD account of the "collision". And this is very relevant because if you swapped an IC for a fake, it WILL come out sooner or later. You can count on that.

Ratjar

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does it matter what happened to my car? pr what i said happened? Banzai has yet to prove they installed a genuine greddy in my car. I couldnt tell by the pictures they sent me, I only knew of the Greddy logo stamped on the top and bottom, and in the picture you cant see the top nor bottom. If you are truly interested in the truth have banzai post pictures. I dont see how my story now is any different then it was then. My situation doesnt need a story. they installed a fake intercooler in my car. Thats the story. if i wanted to "scam" banzai I wouldnt have ever mentioned hitting a racoon, Do you honestly think a 35mph collison with a racoon would destroy a FMIC? its solid aluminum. the bumper absorbed all the impact thats why it got broke. (thats the point of a bumper)

I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from. I just want to see the pictures of the install ( I have a fair amount of the project saved but wasnt expecting my car to be erased off the site) so I cant post up the pictures. Another reason i posted the FMIC picture they sent me is to show the one on my car is the one they installed.

I had no reason to question banzai's honesty until I saw the entire FMIC in person, and started scratching my head as to why it wouldnt be stamped just like my Greddy elbow.

If i wanted to fabricate a story I wouldve left the racoon story out. I have a receipt for a Greddy, a picture of a fake(before and after banzai installed it), and emails confirming its fake. The car clearly shows no damage to the front end. what other proof could I have? tell me, so I can try and get it. If chris has nothing to hide he would show the pictures.

rx7roller02

Youre kidding, right? You cannot see the relevance of you getting caught red-handed in a big lie about damage to your car....at the exact spot where the IC happens to be? It makes a BIG difference, and yes, chief, it DOES matter. You claimed there was no damage, you even posted a DISHONEST pic claiming that "this is what it looked like after the raccoon hit it"! You lied multiple times, in multiple ways, to try to cover up the fact of the damage on the front of your car!

And you REALLY dont see how that's relevant????

Then again, youre now also trying to play the "so what if I lied, what about the other guy" bit. You claimed something. You used those claims to accuse someone else of something that can actually be called a crime. And you LIED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. And you STILL need me to tell you why that matters?


That is an issue that has yet to be resolved, but that doesnt change the fact that you pulled a big no-no with these threads. What you have done, at this point, amounts to an unfounded accusation, and a pretty darn big one too. Perhaps it would be wise for you to consult the forum's rules concerning such actions. If need be, I would be happy to post the relevant rule up in this thread for your convenience. Just say the word....we're always happy to help!

In the end, as I told you, it is YOUR responsibility to prove your accusation. It is NOT someone else's responsibility to prove their innocence. We live in a country where someone is "innocent until PROVEN GUILTY", not the other way around. And at this point, based solely on what is happening here, your case just isnt looking too good. I have requested further info and when it arrives I may have more to say about that, but in the meantime, you have been warned more than just by me about this.

And we only know that your car was "smashed" right where the IC is mounted.....and that you had to "limp" the car home with all the broken up bumper in your trunk. So, at least be honest here--what bumper did you just sell? Was it the one that was all busted up that was put back together, or was it a new one that you tried to pass off as the same one for this issue? AND, if it was the busted one, did you disclose to the buyer that it was all broken up and repaired?? If not, you had better get that one straight and I mean right now. I WILL be following up on that.....you can count on it.


Sure, hang on a second, lemme just wave my magic wand.....oh, wait, I cannot force anyone to "post pictures" just because I said so. Banzai has not indicated to me whether or not they still even have pictures, the only thing I know for certain is that they were removed from their website. And to be honest, if it were my business that you treated like you treated them, I wouldnt consider you a customer anymore either. Even if they are in the wrong, you handled this about in the absolute worst way you could have. And that truly sucks.

"My car was smashed. My bumper was broken in pieces. I had to put the pieces in my trunk and limp the car home."

"I was going slow. The raccoon walked away and the car was fine. Here's a pic of the bumper after the hit, I just sold it for $400, thats how good shape it was in"

You TRUTHFULLY do not see the difference there? Dude, put down the crack pipe and back away.....for real.


Then why do you keep telling us one? And why does it keep changing?? ANSWERS, son....start providing some.

They DID?? Wow, why didnt you say so? And you have PROOF of this, right? You certainly havent show any proof here.


Sure you would--you would have had to have some reason to take off the bumper, and since they have seen your car during this time, they would know what was on it and what wasnt.

Just a little while ago you were claiming that it didnt even destroy your bumper--we now know how truthful THAT was....so why should we believe anything else you say now? You cant even see how that lie hurt your case, or how that damage is 100% relevant!


No, actually, it isnt. It is not at all solid aluminum. And the momentum of a 2000 plus pound car hitting an animal cannot be proven by simply saying "the bumper would have taken all the damage". I grew up in a firefighting family--I was the 4th generation--and I have seen wrecks with way more damage than you would expect. I also have seen higher speed impacts that looked like a parking lot fender bender. Your statement proves absolutely nothing--except that you have a tendency to not tell the truth.

wow....do you really think that the fiberglass by itself is structurally strong enough to keep everything else from getting damaged? For one thing, there's this giant hole in the bumper's design, meaning that only a small piece of fiberglass would have borne the entire initial contact of the impact. That same piece of fiberglass could be busted if you hit a curb just right at 10 mph--so dont expect me to believe that not one scratch took place anywhere else at over 3 times that speed. not only that, but youre finally changing your tune again to admit it was busted up. WHY do you think people dont believe you? It COULDNT be because of your lying and story changes??

Not too long ago you said that you didnt have a computer back then, so you couldnt save any of the pics......remember? You used your phone to get online, right? But now, all of a sudden, you "have a fair amount of the project saved"? Well lookie here, another change in your stories.....


Does it show the top and bottom? Then gee wilbur, I guess it doesnt show that its the same exact IC that was installed, does it?

And THEN, you brought your car to them for tuning. and THEN you saw them again in August. You had ALL these questions about their honesty, and said NOTHING....and did NOTHING....sorry, I'm having a really hard time buying into that one. You thought you were ripped off for $600, and said nothing? Your only concern then was that they wouldnt tune your unsafe car? YOU TELL ME why that doesnt make any sense--lets see if you can learn something.

Ratjar

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The bumper i posted wa sthe SAME exact bumper as wa son my car when I hit the racoon, it split in 2 or 3 spots, and the large section of the bumper under the intercooler broke off, the Bumper was repaired with ease (skimcoat and some fiberglass cloth) the buyer was well aware of the repair and seen the bumper IN PERSON and said "it looks great" the fact the bumper was repairable and came out looking brand new should say something about the magnitude of the "crash"

im not your son-

you aren't helping the situation.

They installed a ******* fake in my car ok? I posted proof, its their turn to try and discredit the proof I have posted. they have NOTHING but their story thus far. funny how once I bust their ***** open they quit posting, Chris, im calling you out. Post the pictures.

rx7roller02

THIS JUST IN--Fiberglass is REPAIRABLE....

That doesnt tell me anything about the "magnitude of the crash". That bumper is so thin in the middle that it wouldnt take much at all for something to bust through there and still have enough force to damage the IC behind it. So stop beating around the bush and just tell us why you feel the need to lie your *** off, then lie again to try to cover those lies, then lie AGAIN to try to pretend that it doesnt matter how many times you've lied!

Well thank the heavens for that! If you were, I suspect your back side would make a fire truck blush by now.

WRONG--I am here to try to get to the bottom of this mess--to determine who's lying. And you know what? I have caught you lying all over the place. Why dont you have anything real to say about that?


Where is your proof? AGAIN?

No, you certainly didnt post proof. And yes, they did discredit a whole lot of what you posted--isnt that what you just said to me in that PM you sent--how you stopped talking about the fuel leak and the safety issues because THOSE THINGS WERE EXPLAINED? Now youre lying again--youre already on thin ice, and your next step is to be banned. Whether Chris is wrong or not, it doesnt change the fact that I am sick to death of the way youre pulling your BS in here.


--their story hasnt changed every time the wind changed direction. Yours has. Big difference.

gsl-se addict

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Ratjar: It would help your situation if you posted the actual pics that you sent to Greddy along with both sides of the conversation. Last time you didn't post the pics that you sent to them (only pics posted were dated after the email) and you only posted one side of the conversation. It makes it look like you are hiding something.

monkey_majic

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Wow this is crazy.

rx7roller02

At this point, here is the situation....

You made claims against banzai. Those claims were not substantiated by your posts. Banzai offered to refund you the full cost of the IC multiple times, and you refused that offer each time. Because of that, I really do not see what exactly it is you want or expect from the moderators here. When we get involved in these issues, it is generally to try to get some resolution for those involved....but you had that offer made to you already and you passed on it. Now, we are not judges in court, we are not the police. We are here to run the forum. And while part of that job involves helping out buyers and sellers, it does not involve trying to resolve a dispute when you had a full refund offered and you won't take it. At some point, people need to stand up and take action on their own for their benefit, instead of looking to someone else to handle it for them, and it is my opinion that you had your best chance for resolution when Chris offered a full refund. You should have taken it, but you chose not to for who knows what reason. There isnt anything more that I can do with that. Based on that, and on the facts as they have been presented and proven here, I have no choice but to consider this matter closed. There simply isnt anything that I can do!

This thread will be closed, but not deleted. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me--but remember this, do not PM me in the same manner that you have handled this situation. I think you'll find that some politeness could get you much further in life.