Anything new to report on E85?
LOL that's probably what we're going to have to do until they open up more stations around the area. we just fired up the evo tonite still on 100 octane tho.. we'll make the switch soon enough 
then it's my bridged FC! WOOWOOOOO!
then it's my bridged FC! WOOWOOOOO!
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From: aloha,OR.Usa
Chrispeed, I am learning to read the plugs with alcohol, and its harder to me than gas. I found a site called dragbike.com on reading plugs that was very usefull.
Anyone know of other info? Ralph
Anyone know of other info? Ralph
'Tuna'
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From: Miami,Fl,USA
You really need one of those spark plug reading kits so that you can look deep into the plug or just remove the lower section to see the color on the porcelin etc.
1477 whp
I'm also running E85. Even without the n2o the intake air temps are pretty cool. I'm running 25psi non-intercooled with 30* of timing, and about 11.6-11.8 afr's. The thermocouple in the manifold below the carb reads between 85 and 90 degrees at 25 psi on a 85-90* day. I'm not sure how accurate the thermocouple is around room temp but on gas it was reading around 170* with 20psi.
The car made 1455 rwhp at the sema show finals last week and made 1477 rwhp the day before in testing.
The only car I have ever seen have troubles was a n\a sbf in a mustang. He melted a few sets on pistons. He was going about it all wrong though. No wideband, not enough fuel pump, 5/16 fuel line, and so on. He finally gave up and went back to race gas. The only thing I have ever hurt with this engine was a couple of plug ground straps. But that was on gas
The car made 1455 rwhp at the sema show finals last week and made 1477 rwhp the day before in testing.
The only car I have ever seen have troubles was a n\a sbf in a mustang. He melted a few sets on pistons. He was going about it all wrong though. No wideband, not enough fuel pump, 5/16 fuel line, and so on. He finally gave up and went back to race gas. The only thing I have ever hurt with this engine was a couple of plug ground straps. But that was on gas
Ethanol Percentage Gauge Group Buy
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=305253
http://workspace.wamnet.com/~gryan/fuel%20monitor.pdf
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=305253
http://workspace.wamnet.com/~gryan/fuel%20monitor.pdf
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From: Miami,Fl,USA
E85 loves negative split!
The increase in low and midrange power on the vacum side of the map is very noticable from the butt dyno!
I was able to run a much leaner AFR at idle than the norm with negative split and E85 fuel. Idle previously was around 12.9 to 13.0 AFR. Now it does not misfire at idle until it's around 14.0 AFR and will idle perfect at 13.5 to 13.7 AFR's with 1600cc primary injectors. I have not mess with the cruise AFR's as of yet. Should be doing that later today.
Cold start with E-85 is still not perfect at least by my standards. It does start perfect on the second try when it's very cold. It's taking a lot of primer and after start fuel or 'Post Start' in Haltech terms. The actual coolant correction is about the same. It just requires a lot more fuel for it to kick over when it's cold. Warm crank is perfect.
That's it for now.
The increase in low and midrange power on the vacum side of the map is very noticable from the butt dyno!
I was able to run a much leaner AFR at idle than the norm with negative split and E85 fuel. Idle previously was around 12.9 to 13.0 AFR. Now it does not misfire at idle until it's around 14.0 AFR and will idle perfect at 13.5 to 13.7 AFR's with 1600cc primary injectors. I have not mess with the cruise AFR's as of yet. Should be doing that later today.
Cold start with E-85 is still not perfect at least by my standards.
It does start perfect on the second try when it's very cold. It's taking a lot of primer and after start fuel or 'Post Start' in Haltech terms. The actual coolant correction is about the same. It just requires a lot more fuel for it to kick over when it's cold. Warm crank is perfect.That's it for now.
E85 loves negative split!
The increase in low and midrange power on the vacum side of the map is very noticable from the butt dyno!
I was able to run a much leaner AFR at idle than the norm with negative split and E85 fuel. Idle previously was around 12.9 to 13.0 AFR. Now it does not misfire at idle until it's around 14.0 AFR and will idle perfect at 13.5 to 13.7 AFR's with 1600cc primary injectors. I have not mess with the cruise AFR's as of yet. Should be doing that later today.
Cold start with E-85 is still not perfect at least by my standards. It does start perfect on the second try when it's very cold. It's taking a lot of primer and after start fuel or 'Post Start' in Haltech terms. The actual coolant correction is about the same. It just requires a lot more fuel for it to kick over when it's cold. Warm crank is perfect.
That's it for now.
The increase in low and midrange power on the vacum side of the map is very noticable from the butt dyno!
I was able to run a much leaner AFR at idle than the norm with negative split and E85 fuel. Idle previously was around 12.9 to 13.0 AFR. Now it does not misfire at idle until it's around 14.0 AFR and will idle perfect at 13.5 to 13.7 AFR's with 1600cc primary injectors. I have not mess with the cruise AFR's as of yet. Should be doing that later today.
Cold start with E-85 is still not perfect at least by my standards.
It does start perfect on the second try when it's very cold. It's taking a lot of primer and after start fuel or 'Post Start' in Haltech terms. The actual coolant correction is about the same. It just requires a lot more fuel for it to kick over when it's cold. Warm crank is perfect.That's it for now.
Are you playing with the silver 3rd gen ?
Probably?!?!?! I cant wait to see results! There are a ton of "Renew" stations popping up all around here in WI that sell E-series fuels. I have seen E-60 and E-85, word has it I can go to the distiller and buy straigth E-100 w/ several additives so I can drink it without getting sick....
E85 loves negative split!
The increase in low and midrange power on the vacum side of the map is very noticable from the butt dyno!
I was able to run a much leaner AFR at idle than the norm with negative split and E85 fuel. Idle previously was around 12.9 to 13.0 AFR. Now it does not misfire at idle until it's around 14.0 AFR and will idle perfect at 13.5 to 13.7 AFR's with 1600cc primary injectors. I have not mess with the cruise AFR's as of yet. Should be doing that later today.
Cold start with E-85 is still not perfect at least by my standards. It does start perfect on the second try when it's very cold. It's taking a lot of primer and after start fuel or 'Post Start' in Haltech terms. The actual coolant correction is about the same. It just requires a lot more fuel for it to kick over when it's cold. Warm crank is perfect.
That's it for now.
The increase in low and midrange power on the vacum side of the map is very noticable from the butt dyno!
I was able to run a much leaner AFR at idle than the norm with negative split and E85 fuel. Idle previously was around 12.9 to 13.0 AFR. Now it does not misfire at idle until it's around 14.0 AFR and will idle perfect at 13.5 to 13.7 AFR's with 1600cc primary injectors. I have not mess with the cruise AFR's as of yet. Should be doing that later today.
Cold start with E-85 is still not perfect at least by my standards.
It does start perfect on the second try when it's very cold. It's taking a lot of primer and after start fuel or 'Post Start' in Haltech terms. The actual coolant correction is about the same. It just requires a lot more fuel for it to kick over when it's cold. Warm crank is perfect.That's it for now.
like 8:1 reads 15:1 and such, right??
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From: Florence, Alabama
anyone interested in alcohol or E85 should read the 6 pager "Ethanol- what's the deal?" in this months (Jan 08) issue of Hot Rod.
page 104. lots of tech and lots of real world hp/tq being made.
enough to make you drool.
hc
page 104. lots of tech and lots of real world hp/tq being made.
enough to make you drool.
hc
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From: aloha,OR.Usa
Well I put e90 basically in, and my rx7 runs really good starting and driving.We use e98 and add %10 race gas. I run high compression rotors and the alcohol
seems to like it running with low boost. I havent put it on the dyno to finish up yet due to car acident, but will let you know results as soon as possible.
Ralph
seems to like it running with low boost. I havent put it on the dyno to finish up yet due to car acident, but will let you know results as soon as possible.
Ralph
'Tuna'
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From: Miami,Fl,USA
Long term effects e85 video
Video showing the long term effects of E85 useage.
Seem pretty positive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuOs1yap8mU
Seem pretty positive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuOs1yap8mU
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From: Plymouth, MN
So I just read a bunch of the posts and links on ethanol and it sounds great! But I have a few newbie questions.
For use on a daily driven summer only car (I live in Toronto, Canada and its stored over winter) with a net goal of 300rwhp will I save any money on gas by converting to ethanol?
Would using a blockheater help starting it?
Would mixing gasoline net best results? ie: 25% gasoline, measured by putting in 30 litres of ethanol than 10 of 91
My main goal is not making high horsepower but getting better mileage, 300rwhp is fine with me (it is a 87 FC and emissions is not an issue as the vehicle is exempt)
thanks in advance!
edit: I am running a Haltech e8 and ls1 coils
For use on a daily driven summer only car (I live in Toronto, Canada and its stored over winter) with a net goal of 300rwhp will I save any money on gas by converting to ethanol?
Would using a blockheater help starting it?
Would mixing gasoline net best results? ie: 25% gasoline, measured by putting in 30 litres of ethanol than 10 of 91
My main goal is not making high horsepower but getting better mileage, 300rwhp is fine with me (it is a 87 FC and emissions is not an issue as the vehicle is exempt)
thanks in advance!
edit: I am running a Haltech e8 and ls1 coils
That map is missing a lot of stations around me. I know of 3 more stations that they don't show in my area alone. I would look at some of the other E85 station identifier websites.
http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm
http://www.e85refueling.com/
http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm
http://www.e85refueling.com/
This Ethanol Plant will be finished in two months. It's 10 miles away from my house . The plant is expected to produce 54 million gallons per year of ethanol.
http://www.centerethanol.com/
. The plant is expected to produce 54 million gallons per year of ethanol.http://www.centerethanol.com/
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From: Miami,Fl,USA
E85 CAN be as fuel efficient as Gasoline!!
According to the findings of these guys.
http://e85forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=549
http://www.swri.edu/4org/d03/engres/...n/pbeffimp.htm
http://e85forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=549
http://www.swri.edu/4org/d03/engres/...n/pbeffimp.htm
E85 Dyno Challenge Video: http://www.powertvonline.com/dynomax
The person in last place made 1,200 whp.
The person in last place made 1,200 whp.