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471rwhp/300rwtq at 13psi on E85!!!!!!

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Old 01-10-08, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by weaklink
I don't get the whole e85 thing. You have to burn more of it to get the same power, so it pretty much negates any cost savings. Is it that it doesn't detonate as easily?
I could care less about gas mileage or the biggest scam known to mankind (Global Warming). I'm only interested in cheap race fuel. E85 is being pushed further than VP C16, just think how much further you can push E85 with AI
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Originally Posted by Viper GTSR
30PSI from a T04Z ?? Do you have a street port or bridge port as well? I thought the T04Z was pretty much maxxed out by ~28PSI on a ported 13B...

Keep us posted on your results*
Yeah 30 psi and it's a Bridge Port engine with NRS Ceramic seals

Let's see if i can get past the 700 flywheel mark

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awsome thread
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Adding E85 with no other changes DOES make more power. He gained 167 whp just from changing from 93 oct to E85.

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Hey XJHEAD hope life is treating you good. I can't remember if I posted it here or not but here goes. I wanted to know just how much I would gain going from 93 oct. pump gas to E85. So just before I pulled the fuel system apart, I took my car to the dyno. I got 901rwhp, 902rwhp no N2O, no inter-cooler, boost only timing locked at 38* pulling 3/4* per lb. of boost with 6BTM NGK9s gap at 34. The first three pulls on the dyno with E85 I only changed the jets in the carb, no timing change no re-gaping the plugs. It pulled 1054rwhp, 1057rwhp, 1067rwhp. The boost went up 2 lbs. with the fuel change. I can't say enough about this stuff. I know for a fact my car has not been to the limit and I don't believe it has put the power down yet that it's set at because of the converter (I know I know woulda coulda shoulda). LOL You've all heard that before but the fact is I did the change with the same car same dyno same rpm and the thing was unreal we ended up with 14-pulls no changes . Just think I added 8# more boost only pulling 7.5* form the 38* total and 225hp shot of N2O pulling 5*more and only came up with 151 more rwhp LOL I hope this helps those that don't believe, this stuff is great. Heck I'm driving the car all over the place with the same tune on it. One thing I do have to change is the single N/S to duel, the motor while on the dyno on boost only would start to go a little lean at the end of the run. I used the N2O to make it fatter. Rod
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For that application it's a given he would have gained more power if not more mainly due to the cooling effects since it's a non intercooled application.
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Originally Posted by crispeed
For that application it's a given he would have gained more power if not more mainly due to the cooling effects since it's a non intercooled application.
Well, it's a given for people who know about the benefits of E85. For people who don't know about E85, they'll soon see the light.

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HEY! before i have supper, can i just drain the gasoline out of my single turbo fd and dump in E-85,i use an LT10X MT , and i got the map just about perfect, good cold start - 06C all the way up to 85C, great drivability. 10.5 a/f at 8 psi till 16psi, any advice here, THX Ron in Austin, lots of E-85 stations around here, they think there green.
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Originally Posted by ronbros3
HEY! before i have supper, can i just drain the gasoline out of my single turbo fd and dump in E-85,i use an LT10X MT , and i got the map just about perfect, good cold start - 06C all the way up to 85C, great drivability. 10.5 a/f at 8 psi till 16psi, any advice here, THX Ron in Austin, lots of E-85 stations around here, they think there green.
You're motor will run very lean if it will even start up. So, you'll need a new tune and possible bigger injectors/pump. That's all depending on how much power you want to make. Roughly 30% more fuel is needed when running E85.
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Chevys new Hot Rod Concept Unveiled.

Do I see a wastegate hanging out the side there ?

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Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer
Chevys new Hot Rod Concept Unveiled.

Do I see a wastegate hanging out the side there ?


Ecotech....


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hey crispeed and updates. anymore dyno sesions with e85
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very nice numbers
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simply amazing... 5psi less and 60 horse more wowowowowo
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This is gonna be so awesome, it's like race gas for less than regular unleaded!!!
I hope more people experiment with it so we can get more info.
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so if I read the rpm/boost info correctly, you hit full boost at 5500rmp?

What size DP are you running?
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so do you think that this will be a realiable fuel for daily drivers if we can find it near by? or is this a race car only sort of deal?
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There is no reason you can't daily it. Fuel consumption would be on the higher than w/ the regular 91 we have. Is there several stations w/ E85 in Edmond? We don't have many south side OKC.
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Plenty of 1,000 + HP mustang guys are daily driving their cars with E85. No reason why you can't do it with a rotary.
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That is pretty amazing.
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Originally Posted by rotaryinspired
There is no reason you can't daily it. Fuel consumption would be on the higher than w/ the regular 91 we have. Is there several stations w/ E85 in Edmond? We don't have many south side OKC.
there arent any in edmond but a friend in okc with a yellow evo drives out of town occasionally and fills up two fuel drums. i normally just filled up at the station in 63rd and western.
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Originally Posted by Viking War Hammer
Plenty of 1,000 + HP mustang guys are daily driving their cars with E85. No reason why you can't do it with a rotary.
1000hp mustangs dont use oil like like a two cycle engine though either. alcohol is a very dry fuel.
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Originally Posted by rotorooter93fd
1000hp mustangs dont use oil like like a two cycle engine though either. alcohol is a very dry fuel.
and that's why we use pre-mix
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True but, im also concernend that the oil will get saturated with ethanol (blow by) that it may cause lubrication issues. Will we need to change oil more often? how much lower is the operating temp? crispeed do you have any info on these questions?
i want to see some people that are using this for a decent amount of time and a decent amount of street miles before i take a chance and possibly blow up my new 20b motor.


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