AEM AEM EMS for the 3rd gen update!!!!!!!
06-26-02, 10:02 PM
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AEM EMS for the 3rd gen update!!!!!!!
Here is the current status on the 3rd gen 7. The calibration work is nearly done, the oil metering pump control works perfectly, and production parts are being made. It won't be too long before the unit is available. I will post some dyno results when the calibration work is complete. Out test car is an overly complicated totally stock 93 5 speed. Single turbo cars will be much easier to setup. At least the PnP will have all of the hard work completed by AEM.
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06-28-02, 02:49 PM
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Sweet! So is it still worth purchasing the PnP if you have a single? Are there any base maps to work with that are based off of single applications? Man I can't wait!
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Key words...
Which of course means AEM time. The conversion equation is:
Real world time x 3 = AEM time
But we must realize that while AEM speaks in Real world time, they actually mean AEM time. For example, AEM says that it will have various single turbo base maps available 3 months after the release of the FD PnP unit. Plug this into the equation:
3 Real world months x 3 = 9 AEM (or actual) months.
Voila!
Originally posted by Black680hp7
in time
in time
Real world time x 3 = AEM time
But we must realize that while AEM speaks in Real world time, they actually mean AEM time. For example, AEM says that it will have various single turbo base maps available 3 months after the release of the FD PnP unit. Plug this into the equation:
3 Real world months x 3 = 9 AEM (or actual) months.
Voila!
06-30-02, 05:54 PM
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Actually what I was trying to say, is that several people out there will have tuned their singles, and will be sharing maps. Whether or not you trust those maps is completely up to you. We will not be providing any "proven maps" for any combination. Rotary engines are to tempermental for that.
I know everyone is all bent out of shape that this unit has taken so long to come out with, and that is fine. I would rather something come out correctly, than come out wrong. BTW all of the rhumors about engines being blown etc... is all B.S. The only reason this has taken so long, is because it was simply put on the back burner until software and instructions were simplified, plain and simple. The Honda guys had a very hard time understanding how things worked in the software (Hondas were released first, and that was all the feedback we had from the "average joe"). The Supra release really showed what the EMS was capable of, and so far, ALL of the Supra guys love it, and are making great safe and reliable power. In Sound Performance in Chicago just put down 1040RWHP through and Automatic with out the assistance of Nitrous. Pull after pull, no problems.
So in the end, it will be out, it will be late, but it will be awesome.
Jason.
I know everyone is all bent out of shape that this unit has taken so long to come out with, and that is fine. I would rather something come out correctly, than come out wrong. BTW all of the rhumors about engines being blown etc... is all B.S. The only reason this has taken so long, is because it was simply put on the back burner until software and instructions were simplified, plain and simple. The Honda guys had a very hard time understanding how things worked in the software (Hondas were released first, and that was all the feedback we had from the "average joe"). The Supra release really showed what the EMS was capable of, and so far, ALL of the Supra guys love it, and are making great safe and reliable power. In Sound Performance in Chicago just put down 1040RWHP through and Automatic with out the assistance of Nitrous. Pull after pull, no problems.
So in the end, it will be out, it will be late, but it will be awesome.
Jason.
06-30-02, 09:24 PM
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Affirmative sir 
. But i guess you answered my question s/o really answering my question . I was wondering if there were going to be multiple base maps to work with based off of singles that would come pre-packaged or for d.l off of your forums. According to you, there will not be.
. But i guess you answered my question s/o really answering my question . I was wondering if there were going to be multiple base maps to work with based off of singles that would come pre-packaged or for d.l off of your forums. According to you, there will not be.
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There will be maps available on the AEM forums, just not AEM sponsored maps. It will be up to you to trust the individual supplying the maps. If we happen to do a calibration for someone with a specific setup, we will post that calibration with the specific modifications just like we do now with the Honda, Toyota cals. I will make my T66 calibration available as well. What I guess I am saying, is that we don't intend to go out and try to duplicate certain common mods and providing calibrations for those.
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Originally posted by Dj*BaM|BaM
I was wondering if there were going to be multiple base maps to work with based off of singles that would come pre-packaged or for d.l off of your forums. According to you, there will not be.
I was wondering if there were going to be multiple base maps to work with based off of singles that would come pre-packaged or for d.l off of your forums. According to you, there will not be.
Other people's maps are great for reference, but it's not a good idea to load them directly into the EMS on your car. This is especially true given the on-the-edge tuning which is usually associated with high-boost single-turbo rotaries. Reference maps, not base maps.
As for AEM's delays, I know of several EMS manufacturers who have taken much longer to get their products into full production, so it is not just AEM. It is unfortunate that the EMS market is like this, but at least it's not like the computer software market which unleashes buggy products on the unsuspecting public. I would rather have a few delays as opposed to a blown engine.
06-30-02, 11:20 PM
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Hey Jason, So you know JP (Jermany Powell) I was hanging out with him this past weekend here in Tampa and he was telling a little bit about the ECU, if you could please pass my email address to him since i know he forgot. bbigdl@hotmail.com
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Originally posted by Evil Aviator
Please try to put yourself in the shoes of AEM, or any one of the other EMS manufacturers. AEM is going through great pains to make a PNP EMS for the FD. Do you really think that it is practical for them to make a map of every different combination of turbo, intercooler, intake, porting, etc., for the FD? A base map is just that - something that you start with, and just about every EMS on the market comes with one. Yes, it would be wonderful to just bolt a part on your car and magically get 1000hp, but it doesn't quite work that way. Well, maybe someone will come up with a single turbo kit that includes maps, but that is about the only way that it will happen.
Other people's maps are great for reference, but it's not a good idea to load them directly into the EMS on your car. This is especially true given the on-the-edge tuning which is usually associated with high-boost single-turbo rotaries. Reference maps, not base maps.
As for AEM's delays, I know of several EMS manufacturers who have taken much longer to get their products into full production, so it is not just AEM. It is unfortunate that the EMS market is like this, but at least it's not like the computer software market which unleashes buggy products on the unsuspecting public. I would rather have a few delays as opposed to a blown engine.
Please try to put yourself in the shoes of AEM, or any one of the other EMS manufacturers. AEM is going through great pains to make a PNP EMS for the FD. Do you really think that it is practical for them to make a map of every different combination of turbo, intercooler, intake, porting, etc., for the FD? A base map is just that - something that you start with, and just about every EMS on the market comes with one. Yes, it would be wonderful to just bolt a part on your car and magically get 1000hp, but it doesn't quite work that way. Well, maybe someone will come up with a single turbo kit that includes maps, but that is about the only way that it will happen.
Other people's maps are great for reference, but it's not a good idea to load them directly into the EMS on your car. This is especially true given the on-the-edge tuning which is usually associated with high-boost single-turbo rotaries. Reference maps, not base maps.
As for AEM's delays, I know of several EMS manufacturers who have taken much longer to get their products into full production, so it is not just AEM. It is unfortunate that the EMS market is like this, but at least it's not like the computer software market which unleashes buggy products on the unsuspecting public. I would rather have a few delays as opposed to a blown engine.
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JP, JR, and all those other guys out at aem know their ****. dont give them any **** or you'llhave to answer to me.... some one ask JP why he did not stop by the shop while he was in tampa for a wedding. o yea my name is rich i work at racerelated in clearwater FL
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Here's my chance to lobby for the TII (yah I know the thread is about 3rd gens). I'd think AEM would benefit from generating base maps for what is essentially a single turbo 13b, AKA a TurboII. OK so the airflow sensing is different but this can be calculated out of the maps. Will AEM get rich off all the TII owners buying up the ECU...not a chance. But considering 75% of the effort to convert to an '89-91 is already done for the 3rd gen, and that single turbo is an extremely popular upgrade for "high-performance" 3G ECU buyers (AEM's target audience) I've got to believe it's worth the effort. No hardware changes are required besides the different connectors on the black box. Yes I really desire a preprogrammed AEM ECU for the beloved TII.
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AEM BS
If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry
07-18-02, 11:14 AM
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Re: AEM BS
Originally posted by R1DREAD
If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry
If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry
07-18-02, 03:41 PM
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Re: AEM BS
Originally posted by R1DREAD
If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry
If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry
I could not resist asking about blowing up on both days. It was actually due to a faulty injector causing one of the cylinders to go lean causing engine failure, however he did say even though he had these problems it took the motor to blow twice to figure out one cylinder was running lean and still manage to run a 9 second pass.
Good luck to Ralphy and the DRT crew as they work out the racing bugs.
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I have a prelude with the PnP ems and love it but I am ditching the prelude for a FD3S so I am ditching the EMS but I am going to get one for my 3rd gen when I get it. The tech support at AEM is incredible and the people are extremely nice and knowledgeable. (They will even call you back promptly when you leave a message!) I had some problems at first but the tech support people were great and actually worked and researched to help me with my problems.
I am definitly getting one for the 3rd gen I am buying as soon as possible.
I am definitly getting one for the 3rd gen I am buying as soon as possible.
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Any Day Now....
I just called them at 1.800.255.4608 and asked about their part number 30-1800 availability...
Sales guy said, "Sometime in August"
Sales guy said, "Sometime in August"
Originally posted by LUV94RX7
What's the latest delivery date in the AEM EMS for the FD P&P???
Ken
What's the latest delivery date in the AEM EMS for the FD P&P???
Ken
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Jason: Elliott here......how's it going? Looks like there is a lot of stuff being said about the system......rumors or 1st hand experience? It seems as though the guys who have it have nothing but good things to say about it. I'm still down.....how about you? I'll give you a call this week and talk some more. I'm coming down there again this weekend.....maybe we can meet up again. I've got some new parts to show you You'll like them.......of course on some of them you get the credit because you gave me quite a few ideas. Pat wanted to talk to you some more about the SVO also......you got him all fired up! We did a few little things to his car the last couple of weeks. It's flying!
You'll like them.......of course on some of them you get the credit because you gave me quite a few ideas. Pat wanted to talk to you some more about the SVO also......you got him all fired up! We did a few little things to his car the last couple of weeks. It's flying!
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I should be around this weekend. I haven't had much of a chance to work on my car (I have been on vacation for the past couple of weeks). I am going to be starting a new project car, and the RX7 may be up for sale
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Re: AEM BS
Originally posted by R1DREAD
If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry
If its so good how come the Aem sponored car has motec? Last time i asked this question you chewed me out Jason ,well i saw his car at summer slam july 7th 2002 .
Why is it so big that thing looks like a desktop are you sure that for a car.
If Steph is not testing it who the hell is?
If aem was smart you would make him put the motec in the Aem housing.
Biggest event of the year and only one car runing aem DRT ,blew up on sat and sun . what gives Jason you guys are using the public are test dummies eg supras and hondas and when anyone trys to talk to you about it you act like they are stupid{oh you need to learn how to tune}
Barry