Greg

If the AEM can make 680 rwhp on your car months and months ago, how come its not ready to sell to the public?

Black680hp7

Because my EMS was not a Plug N Play

Jason.

Greg

the race version is ready?

silvr94r2

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Greg: you don't want it though do you? Remember there are a lot of problems with them and Steph doesn't run it and he's sponsored by them I'm just playing.......but why are you interested? Aren't you quite against it? I'll let you know soon how it is.....hopefully all goes well

Jason: Pat ordered his turbo....the one you guys were talking about. His car runs like a raped ape now!!!! It completely put it on me in my Mustang the other day. My car runs upper 13's on the motor and low 12's on the bottle with the DR's. I was on the unit for a sec. and he still left me like i mis-shifted to reverse I'll give you a call if we decide to come down there this weekend......or even if we don't.

Black680hp7

Only to certain Authorized people.

Jason.

Greg

just proving a point

Black680hp7

So what is your point?

Jason.

Greg

Point is that if this EMS in race forum was ready the it would be on the market. If you can make 680hp and be proud of it with the race version which you plan on selling anyways why is it not on the market? You have been sporting your numbers for a while now, why not start with the race version which you claim powered your car to 680 hp and then release the plug an play versions? Id also like to know about the steph papadakis rumor about him not using your ems. Last I heard he was making 700+ hp with the motec system, If you can get 680 out of your car with the AEM, how come steph didnt feel confident enough with the unit to run on his AEM sponsored drag car? or any other AEM sponsored racer for that matter and he is using a less delicate engine.

fdracer

Greg, the key word here is that Steph doesn't use the aem unit ANYMORE. Jason, why don't you tell us all the problems steph was having with it before he finally just gave up and went w/ motec.

Black680hp7

Steph didn't have the time to re-wire the car for the ems this season, and that is the only reason it isn't on the car, feel free and ask him! We made a test jumper harness to run the car and dial it in, but it wasn't a proper wiring job, the car made great power, and EVERYTHING worked fine.

As for my car, what difference does it make. Obviously I am the engineer, I can do in my own time what ever I wish. I chose to make a harness to run the system on my car. I however am not going to make harness for everyone else in my spare time. Those decisions are handled by someone other than myself, and wisely they decided to do the plug n play units first. BTW I don't claim anything.

Jason.

Brad

Jason, you have still managed to avoid one very direct and clear question which has been asked several times. WHY IS THE SYSTEM NOT OUT YET? Seriously...from my (the consumers) perspective this all looks like total bullshit. Obviously I don't know any of the details behind the delays because nobody from AEM is saying ****! First it was supposed to be out when...back in JANUARY! Then it was pushed back again, and again, and again, until it was finally June and AEM said:

"Ken,

Good news, in the event we don't run into any road blocks the release has been moved up to late July!!!

Thanks again for your patients,

Kirk"

I would really like to know what these roadblocks are? I just don't believe that the 'development' and 'enhancement' of this product has caused over 8 months in delays. I think something is wrong with the product. I honestly hope I am wrong, since I have been waiting for this thing for 8 months. Please stuff my foot in my mouth and fill us in on the details.

Black680hp7

It really doesn't matter what you believe, those are the facts. The delays are quite simple, it wasn't the first priority, software developement was. Our very first Honda plug n play release will run an RX7 if it is wired up properly. The RX7 plug n play was not our first priority, making the software easier to use was, end of story!

Jason.

Greg

Do you know how much more comfortable I would feel is someone from AEM just told us "Hey guys, we are having some problems with the unit and we dont want to release it to the public so that is why we are delaying selling it to the public".


BTW, is it possible to get a AEM ECU in the race format from an authorized dealer? I want to play with it....

R1DREAD

Jason you have a fork tongue,earlier in the year i told you i had tried the software and that it had seemed real hard as compare to {hondata.or haltech} and you said no way, now its a different story .
How many wires do you need for a race system ? and why do you have to make the harness ?haltech sells terminated or un terminated .
Let see
2 air temp
2 water temp
3 map sensor
3 tps
4 crank angle sensors
3 o2 sensor
3 ignition
2 fuel pump
2 batt
How hard is that?
you pumped us up now you're selling you ****.
Tell us again why its better and easier than all the other systems out there . How are you going to make that thing pnp it can't fit in the stock location .
Who's doing the testing on the RX7s?
Why would steph put it in race with it and then take it out. how much did motec give him? no more lies please
Barry

Black680hp7

If you guys want to believe there are problems, go ahead, I really don't care. Obviously everyone else is having great success with the units. I was initially on here to help you guys, and now I am being called a Liar, etc... by people who haven't a clue! I really don't care what you guys believe. Believe what you want! I am done wasting my time here. For those of you who are interested in finding out more info on the units, get on the AEM forums and read about it.

Jason.

fdracer

wait, wait, wait. that's a good one. lemme get off the floor and stop laughing here. jason, you're saying that aem's biggest avenue of exposure, the car and driver which everyone associates with you're company, doesn't have your ecu because you guys quote, "didn't have time to re-wire the car"? wtf were you guys doing all winter, sipping margaritas by the beach? i find it very hard to believe that you just plain ran out of time to wire up your number one advertisement and your most important customer. so what exactly is he advertising for you guys for all the boatloads of money you guys give him, your fuel rail, lol? jason, you do know what your saying is equivalent to nike making golf ***** for everyone, EXCEPT tiger. or castrol simply forgeting john force needs oil this year. you're saying you guys are passing up the chance to make millions of dollars in sales because you just didn't have the time.

also why keep it a secret that he's using another computer. you know aem's silence this whole time has led everyone to believe he's using your system. we had to find out from steph himself at the track that he's not even using your ems after all the hoopla you guys generated about it. you should see how surprised everyone at the track is when they realize he's using another manufacturer's ecu, using money out of his own pocket. and another thing, why don't you just tell us why you've really been having all these delay's, instead of having the political answer like "we've decided to focus our priorities elsewhere". I don't know about everyone else on this forum but the only reason I can think of for such massive delays is that it's been blowing up motors. so yeah, i guess you could say software development was your first priority, cuz your current software has been blowing up motors.

seriously though i'm gonna drop this. the one thing about drag racing is that results speak for themselves. it's like math, no matter what anyone says, the numbers never lie. so we'll just see how quick and reliable cars are on the strip with this thing, then maybe you'll be proven right. (if those cars really are using your system )

Wade

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Way to go guys, beat him to death so he never comes back. Don't you understand that software development takes time? Software is rarely finished on time.

The EFI Xtreme has been delayed repeatedly, is it because the system "has problems"? No, its because it isn't ready to be thrown in a box on a shelf yet. There's a load of work needed to turn a perfectly working device into a product ready to be sold to consumers.

Wade

silvr94r2

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I don't understand why everyone is waiting for the PNP version or the race version. Why not pick up a universal one for a Honda and just wire it in? I've had mine for many many months but was waiting for other things to get finished 1st. It was a nice thought to get the wiring already done and just plug it in but looks like i'll be wiring it in anyway.

Have any of you guys met Jason? If so, i really don't think you'd be giving him so much ****. He's a really nice guy who probably knows more about cars in general.....let alone RX7's...than most (and i mean MOST) of the guys on this forum. I've talked to quite a few other people who will back him up as well. You people should do your homework on things before jumping to conclusions! Everything is not always as it seems.....

I really don't think Jason is to blame for the EMS not being out for certain cars. It's called business.......supply and demand. There isn't as much demand for the RX7 box compared to any of the other's i'm sure.

Jason......i really hope you don't let a few idiots **** you off and not come back. If so, then so be it. It's their loss!

AJatx

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I think the ignorant folks are the pushy ones who don't have a clue on what it takes to push out a product (hardware and software and support).

I understand the connectors took some time (is it ready yet?) to be developed for the 3rd gen PnP.
We all should know by now that software is not a cake walk to ship out the door. Look at most software products (patch and update software after launch).

Anyways, Justin (ProTech) has got me so interested in the EMS that I'm willing to give it a try. If it doesn't work out, I can always fall back on the Haltech. From what Justin has shown me on his AEM (Supra), it's pretty kick butt. The interface is real nice and the function blocks are real cool too.

A base map for a single turbo so start off would be nice. =oD

J

Greg

Its plain and simple, he came to the board to promote the product, not to help. THERE IS NOTHING TO HELP!! He couldnt answer some questions without being shady and now he dont wanna come back?!? Whatever happened to being truthful and telling the community whats going on.... Noone said he is to blame, he is just comming to the forum as a REP for AEM basically and he is not able to come up with any info.

fdracer

hmmm, interesting after steph secretly switched out the aem ems for a motec, he's gone to 3 straight finals and won the last 2 events.

Black680hp7

After taking a step back and looking at this thread, I can see how some of the things I have said may read a bit negative. I allowed a few users unnecessary personal attacks to temporarily color my impression of this boards users so I am writing this to recap the issues at hand.

Why is the Race box not available?
As previously stated, the manuals are not up to par for setting up a system from scratch. It has been incorrectly stated by some that the Race box is easier to make than the Plug & Play. While the designing and manufacturing hardware is essentially the same, the documentation and customer support required is much more involved. Since we do not require specific sensors or pickups to be used, the setup requires extensive documentation detailing sensor calibration, firing order setup, # of teeth on the cam and crank pickups that have never been seen by the existing stand alone tuning community. This flexibility would be extremely overwhelming without the proper setup documentation. The Race box hardware is unchanged since our very first box. We have all of the necessary parts to ship the Race box as soon as we feel the documentation is complete and we are prepared to support the product at the level required. However, the priority within AEM is to focus our resources on development of the largest Plug & Play applications first, since this is what's unique about our system and our largest immediate market.

Why has the RX-7 been delayed, I have heard you are blowing up engines.
The one and only Plug & Play test car that we have used is still 100% intact, and the engine has never been damaged with our system. The delay comes from software features being put as a higher priority. Customers that received early software with their units were having a hard time understanding some of the features, so we decided to take more time to make the software more intuitive. Since the RX7 required new software to properly drive the Oil Metering Pump, it was affected by this decision where other releases were not.

Why is Steph still running a Motec and not AEM? I heard he couldn't make power.
Our prototype Race system was not available to Steph until after the current race car was completed and the start of the 2002 season had already begun. We made a jumper harness to connect our system to Steph's existing Motec chassis harness and made the same exact power as the Motec on the dyno. Steph took the car to Florida with our system on the car. However, our launch control system is different than the Motec and Steph wasn't familiar with it and had a hard time setting it up. Also while in Florida, he developed an intermittent misfire, that traced back to the jumper harness between the AEM unit and the existing Motec harness. The next race was in New Jersey and the car was staying on the east coast. This fact, coupled with Steph's familiarity with the Motec data logger analysis software that we already possessed led to the joint decision by Steph and AEM to remove the jumper harness, put the Motec back in the car and finish the existing season rather than use race events as test sessions. As you all know, trying to get familiar with new software is not an overnight thing and not something a professional race team does mid-season.

As to any belief that AEM was hiding the fact that the Motec is in the car, well, anybody who has seen the car recently can attest to the fact that the Motec is prominently displayed in the cockpit in public and recent print advertisements.

For more information and to get prompt answers to technical questions we encourage you to check out our AEM EMS forum at http://www.aempower.com/bbs. AEM provides this forum as a place for information exchange between EMS users and interested future users. There is a wealth of information from the hundreds of people using this system to power their vehicles. There is a new forum dedicated exclusively to the Mazda, which releases the 28th of this month.

Jason.

Rated R1

So what is the deal with the group buy that was going to happen?

puma

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ok, who the hell is going to be able to tune that thing?

how hard is it compare to haltech or power fc.

what i liked about the PFC is that you can put in a map from a tuner, will it be the same thing with the aem?

i don't know which one to buy anymore.

fdracer

that's ******* exactly what i wanted to hear from you jason. you guys put the aem unit in steph's car and it had problems, some quite major. he couldn't do **** with the aem system in the car, and it was cleverly disguised as "tranny problems." he switched back to motec and is now kicking *** w/ it. i'm sure you guys are working on rectifying all your problems and will come back stronger. all you had to do was be man enough to explain the problems you've had with it so that we don't go around repeating your mistakes. you've had problems, so what, now go fix them. you don't have to go around bullshiting like everything's been perfect.