Turblown

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We are pleased to announce we are now the Master US Distributor for Adaptronic. This company has been making engine management systems out of Australia for over 9 years. The head engineer even owns a Time Attack Miata with a single turbo REW.

We've been installing and tuning their computers for about 3 year now, and the units are some of the easiest to use on the market. There are direct plug and play ECU(s) for Series 6/7/8 Rx-7, and Series 1 Rx-8. The Rx-7 units use the OEM connector, just like the PFC. The series 1 Rx-8 has a patch harness, and is used in conjuction with the OEM ECU( handles drive by wire, idle control, and communication with ABS, Dash, and Stability Control). The units come with a good base map, and when a wideband o2 is interfaced with the unit, there is adaptive closed loop feedback. There is also closed loop E85 software built in( requires a E85 sensor like Zeitronix).The computers use a USB port, so you don't have to buy any serial to usb adapters, and mess with drivers etc. They are also compatible with racepack dashes. We have posted a few you tube videos of rotaries in action with the ECUs installed on our facebook; https://www.facebook.com/Turblown. Ric uses one in his endurance race Rx-7, it does both 12 and 24 hour racing @ tracks like the Nuremberg ring, and Bathurst.

There are also 3 levels of wire in standalone s, that can be used for older rotaries, or full blown race cars. All harnesses are flying leads, and available in short or long looms.The top level 1280S has a built in oscilloscope, can drive a v12, or two drive by wire throttle bodies, amongst literally anything you can connect to it( flat shifting, traction control, etc etc). There are more specs listed on our website; Adaptronic Engine Management | Standalone Engine Management Systems | ECU
The best part about this company is the customer service. The lead engineer will work direct with the end user to create a base map, or revise one if needed in a short time frame. Also if there is anything in the software that needs to be changed, or upgraded they will do it! In the event there is a hardware problem( which I have never seen) it only takes 1 week to fix!
We are looking for US dealers, and the margins are very lucrative. Turblown will be handling all rotary sales, and TurboSource will be handling all piston engines.

Retail for the Series 6/7/8 Rx-7 is $1350, and Series 1 Rx-8 is $1439. The e420D basic wire in w/ the long harness( for older rotaries, and S4/S5) is $944.

You can download the software here to play with ;

Downloads | Adaptronic - Take Control
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JBF

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Thanks for the heads up on the phone, Elliot!

For those of us that have modded our harnesses to delete emissions, OMP, etc, will that cause any issues with this setup?

Turblown

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It won't cause any issues if you have a modified harness. I forgot to mention this ecu will properly control the stock twins, and the OMP. You can also use VE tuning with staged injection( two banks of injectors; primaries/secondaries). I am not aware of any other ECU near this price that will do VE tuning with staged injection. VE tuning is a lot easier in my opinion, especially for a novice vs straight INJ MS timing. Also the primary/secondary transition is totally automated, just punch in your injector dead band timing, and injector sizing and its done. You cannot even see it on a lambda trance...

gear_grinder

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VE tuning (volumetric efficiency?)

for someone building a race/street car (no omp/mechanical, single turbo, b/s removal, etc..) compared to a EMS4, how does this stack up with features

Turblown

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Yes VE = volumetric efficiency.

The E420D Basic would be comparable to the EMS4 in terms of price;

Adaptronic E420D Basic Select Standalone ECU

Major differences I can see;

You cannot listen to knock of the EMS4, you can with just any set of regular headphones on the Adaptronic.

Adaptronic has an internal 4 bar map sensor, AEM unit requires an external( extra $, and wiring)

Adaptronic has more inputs/outputs, but sounds like you wouldn't need them all

Adaptronic has VE tuning, with automated injector staging. Not sure of the AEM does that. I tried dowloading the AEM software, but it didn't work for me.

You will also have my team, and Adaptronic for fast support, and we will get you a good base map to work with...

gear_grinder

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the long harness is just a universal lead kit, correct?

Turblown

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Correct. You will have to wire it in.

Turblown

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Ric & Andy's race cars both running plug and play FD3S Adaptronic ECUs.

tony94s4

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E420D Basic will i do split timing, is it ignition cut,
Also can i change crank pick up and aftermarket temp sensors with out sending the unit back to manufacturer,
I need to get 4 bar sensor and datalogit for my pfc that will cost me almost half of this ecu, If i sell my pfc with commander i can get this almost free, i will run premix

AdaptronicAus

E420D Basic will i (sic) do split timing: Yes, of course, you have to for a rotary!

is it ignition cut: Umm, what do you mean, can the ECU do ignition cut for rev limit, overboost and so on - yes of course; you can select whether it's fuel cut, ignition cut or both, we recommend ignition cut for a rotary - you can also check in the software to see the features there on the "power cut page" or in the user manual

Also can i change crank pick up and aftermarket temp sensors with out sending the unit back to manufacturer, Yes of course, again you can see the trigger setup and temp sensor calibration in the software and the setup / calibration procedure is described in the manual; you can change it to a 36-1, 36-2, 36-2-2-2 (as on the FE / RX8 engine), 12+1 (standard peripheral exhaust port rotary FC, FD and the 20B), or pretty much anything. In general we try to stick with standard sensors because there's less for people to get wrong and set up but if you need to change the crank pickup then that's no problem. Same goes for the air / coolant temp sensors.

Thanks!
Andy

JBF

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Mac compatible software and I'm in. Lol

bumpstart

Iplug and play

tony94s4

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Thanks for the quick response Andy,
So what's the difference between the 420d 440?
Can i upgrade knock sensor to rx8 style and does it only log knock or can it correct timing and afr?
And more info on the traction control feature,
also where can I download the manuals and pinouts for the ecu's?
If i decide to order how long will it take to get the ecu?

tony94s4

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Sorry to many questions have the car ready need to move fast on the ecu,
I am also working on my other project with twin big turbos, can the ecu be setup with a switch to activate antilag wile roll racing, for example bring the car to 6k rpm instead holding the brake hold the switch and it will hold the rpms building boost, let go the switch and the car will launch

Monkman33

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That's a feature that ProEfi just came out with.

C. Ludwig

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What's the available resolution of the trailing ignition map?

tony94s4

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that's good question I wonder if it can do negative split

AdaptronicAus

Hi all,

Direct Mac support - nope - but I do know customers that run a windows emulator and that works for them. Our new software will make it easier to port to other OSes but it's still a matter of demand and also ongoing software maintenance (eg every new feature has to be implemented and tested on multiple operating systems; we aren't making a web browser!)

Trailing ignition - there is no trailing ignition map; the trailing ignition timing is calculated from the ignition map minus the spark split. Yes, the spark split can be negative. The split map isn't nearly as high resolution as the main timing map; when we first implemented the rotary ignition system many years ago we spoke to a number of tuners who said that the split map was fairly "flat" so it didn't need a lot of resolution. So it's every 2000 RPM from 1000 to 7000, and 5 load sites.

e420d vs 440, the differences are explained on our website on the e420d product page: e420d Basic Select ECU | Adaptronic - Take Control. The 440 supports 4 wheel speed inputs (required for traction control), adaptive tuning, 8 digital inputs (instead of 4) and flex fuel.

All the manuals, pinouts and wiring diagrams are in the software; once you download / install that, they're in the start menu: Downloads | Adaptronic - Take Control - WARI is the one you want.

You can run either style knock sensor; the ECU can be set up to pull timing but it doesn't add fuel when knock is detected. However setting up knock detection is tricky because you need to make the engine knock to make sure that the ECU is detecting it. The other thing is that rotaries are generally fairly insensitive to ignition timing (at least in my experience) and I've never made one knock through timing (although I have got them to knock occasionally through inadequate fuel); so generally I use the knock sensor to drive the headphone socket to listen to it whilst tuning.

I'm not sure why you need the switch to run antilag; why don't you just do it on road speed, so when you drop the clutch it goes back to the normal ignition cut RPM and ignition retard? The way I do it on my road car (with a 440, but you could do it with an e420d or the plug-in on an RX7) is by road speed so below about 10 km/h, we have antilag by doing ignition retard and ignition cut (and extra fuel just to be safe), and then when you launch you overcome that 10 km/h limit and bang, you're off. If you wanted to you could use a separate switch to disable it, but if you have the ECU activate it on road speed then it's less for the driver to co-ordinate. Have I understood and answered your question correctly?

Thanks!
Andy

tony94s4

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Andy,
Do you have future plans for software upgrade for more resolution on trailing, this is daily driver and I hear negative split helps with low load response and gas economy,

On the switch I meant more on rolling speed of 50mph and up, so when u hit the switch the ecu locks the rpm u r at 50mph and activates antilag, that way you dont need to hold the brake to build boost or press the clutch before you launch

tony94s4

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Also do u have traction control on your car and how do you like it, can i use the stock abs sensors on the fd3s or will it iterfere with abs operation.

On this car i made 450ftp torque at 5krpm and just upgraded to same size turbo with billet wheel so it should make little more i hope, i can use good traction control and go with the 440

MOBEONER

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I down loaded both programs and went through them, easy to navigate and use like the PFC with the features of a high end ems, i like it!!!

AdaptronicAus

Thanks! We're planning another update to make it easier to navigate again...

Tony: How much resolution do you want on the spark split maps? I'm looking at changing them to arbitrary spacing as well but would like an idea of how much resolution you think is necessary; I just run zero split on the first two load sites up to about 3000 RPM but I'd like to know how many data points you need.

Re traction control, I haven't set it up on my car yet; mine isn't an FD; it's an FD engine but it's in an NA MX5 (Miata). I haven't tested the original ABS sensors on the FD car; but chances are they would need an interface to be able to use them. In addition it's difficult to recommend to someone to piggyback into their ABS wiring because of liability reasons! I have done it on the FC and found that they didn't work well at low speeds but above about 20 mph they were OK, which means that you can't really use them for traction control except by disabling the traction control below that road speed (it won't operate in the road speed region where you have launch control set up). I would recommend adding Hall effect sensors like the GT101.

Regarding the rolling anti-lag, yes you could do this with an external switch; you'd set this up as an enrich / retard function to build boost. You would need to open the throttle as well when you do this; on rally cars they either hold the throttle open to about 25% (for Group N) or add a separate bunch of bypass valves or a separate throttle actuator (on other than Group N where you are allowed to change the hardware) to run rally style antilag.

mannykiller

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^ i'm liking what I'm seeing... Set my Order with Turblown today!! Thanks Elliotte!!

tony94s4

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Is there good # for Eliot i would like to place order,
Andy,
I hope Chris Ludwig can chime in on split resolution, I never used negative split, power fc guys use it allot, I tuned only mocrotech on rotarys around here

tony94s4

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Andy,
Also i am looking to upgrade the ecu's on my lotuses, have v8 esprit that I was planing to go pro efi now i need to look in to your higher end ecu.
On my 4 cyl esprit it has 4 main injectors and 2 injectors before tb which come on boost, will the 440 drive the 2 pre tb injectors?