Radical Rotary Avantgard

I will say, that even though the level of maturity is directly linked to age, you show your maturity by respecting others, young or old, newB or expert.

It does not matter, when you signed up or how many posts you have, an expert does not make you and does not grant you the right to talk down, insult or make fun of anyone.

The level of education, socioeconomic status, moral values, cultural background and how you were raised, plays a roll, like it or not. It is reality.
This has an impact on your character, how you act or behave around others or in the absence of.
Specially, when you are hiden behind the safety of anonymity(read screen name) posting on a public forum.
I bet you, that 99.9% of the "Big Bad ***" acting "****" in here, are all talk, all show and no go.
I really don't see this bashing and insults on other forums like the M3, NSX and Lexus.
Go figure if what I'm saying makes sense now.
Oh!!! I know what you are going to say, ..."but they are a bunch of snobs.....etc".
That does not hurt anyone, unless you envy their achievements or economic position wether it was earned with sacrifice or inherited.

Patience, acceptance and tolerance, practiced more often and we will have a great forum again.

I'm done with my dissertation.

LUV94RX7

iTrader: (3)

Many of us oldies might be in climates where we store our RX-7s in the long winter months and with 20 inches of snow on the ground there is not as much interest in my RX-7.

I'm more interested in my wife's 2004 VUE AWD Honda 250bhp V6, 15.5 sec / 90mph 1/4 mile SUV.

Ken

DaveW

I'm sort of a "Newby," trying to learn more about my FD. I'm also an engineer, so I post when I can add some useful knowledge.
I think, for someone like me, who doesn't know everything about the FD, this forum is extremely valuable. However, as with any subject, advice is often worth what you paid for it... Therefore you have to sift through the large amount of sometimes wrong info to learn.
I rarely ask questions in the forum, but if I read it often enough, the answers eventually show up.
I sure have learned a lot since I started reading it.

For those who are "good guys," (it's easy to tell who you are - I could name several, but I'd leave someone out) I really appreciate your input. Thanks.

rotary-tt

I tried to help the guy but seems everyone is on a power trip or into trendy visuals. What happened to enjoying the finesse of a great sports car?

deified

I completely agree, I'm fairly new to this forum. That doesn't mean I'm new to working on cars or don't know what I'm talking about. I think it's frustrating when I want a question answered and all I get is a " go search" or a "no" response. Chances are that I'm just trying to clear things up from the different things that I find when I search for answers. Everyone that I've seen on this thread has helped me out alot. I appreciate your opinions and positivity.

SPOautos

I can tell you a few reasons why people leave. I've been on the forum since it was less than 300 members. Some people get on here to learn and over time you develope a craving to know more and more and eventually you want to learn things that the forum cant help you with cause the caliper of people that need to help you dont have time to hang on forums all day. Then your method of learing changes from coming here to going somewhere else and they are gone for the most part.

Next, one of the things thats so good about the forum also hurts the forum. If someone thats been around for years and has tried most everything answers a question they dont want to write a 10 page article backing up thier opinion with scientific data, "papers", examples, ect ect ect. Its not a freak'n book report. They just want to tell you and move on. They dont want to teach a physics class. In that case its just to much crap to go thru to tell someone your opinion. There have been many subjects that I would have posted about but just didnt feel like getting involved in the debate cause over time it just grows tiring. I honestly feel like this is one reason that the BIG dogs dont post much, they come here for a while then eventually leave cause they dont want to go into as much depth about things as some people want. When someone asks a question they just want to answer it and that be the end of it cause its to much work to try and teach the "theory" behind it versus just telling you the answer. And on a lot of cases they may not even know the theory, they just know its working. Its ok to take some people at face value, the thing is that you just need to know who and who not to take a face value.

If someone like Crispeed or Judge Ito answers a question for me I'm not going to keep badgering him for scientific data to back up his answer. I'm just going to say thanks for the info and I'm going to count my lucky stars that someone of that caliper actually answered the question. I'd much rather have him answer a quesiton cause he's been there and done it. I dont care much for some guy thats never done it but "knows" all this scientific data that he read in a book somewhere. You can try that crap on your own car, I'll stick with the guy that knows whats works cause he runs it on his own car. Its just to bad that a lot of those guys dont come on here as much as they did years ago.

STEPHEN

Jason

iTrader: (5)

I agree. I just think that some old school members got tired of answering the same questions over and over. I still see them lurking but not responding.

Jason

dis1

Ain't that the truth

clayne

There is a solution to this though.

Some form of more rigid enforcement or regulation of the "same old questions."

Forced search functions, etc.

Andreas

well, i searched for 3 rims i have on the net, searched elsewhere, asked around, searched here then made this post:
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...hreadid=267652

well, the only dumb answers come from dumb ppl i think... lmao if somebody tells me in this thread what those rims are

Jason

iTrader: (5)

I agree, but then we are going to get those that complain about us telling them to search.

What we need is when someone enters the Generation Specific sections a window pops up telling them to use the search function first before asking questions.

Jason

Sesshoumaru

iTrader: (1)

I view the forum as a library.

If i need information i can look in the card catalog (search). If i need help finding and answer and can't find it in the catalog i can ask a librarian (post). Once i am done with my research I leave.

In the mean time i post try'n to help a friend i see in the library finding the correct book (information).

I think the forum is a tool and when done u put it back on the shelf.

I'm here to only find information i don't know. If that is sparce i will leave.

spelling is not imperative in informal environment for me. you might know the proper english for a given sentence, but if you like me u just dont' care. For me english is communication and if you can understand me that is all i intended it for.

clayne

Well what's worse?

A bunch of people asking tired questions and the following large attrition/leaving of experienced individuals...

OR

Stringent requirements for new posts and the retention of experience and knowledge in the forum at the expense of only the most unresourceful total newbies becoming angry that they must utilize the search function.

A pop-up window will not disuade people from posting questions without proper research first.

SPOautos

Nah, I tell ya what I think. I feel like there should be a section for the "old Timers" and those that they invite. It would be a section that the newbies can look forward to getting involved in after years of reading, learning, searching, and building. No one would even be able to see it unless they had access to enter. It would be kinda like the moderators section except for old timers and other members that they invite. That way certain things can be discussed more discretely and to a more "professional" audience

STEPHEN

jimlab

If you're asking someone else for help, it's rude and annoying to make them have to try to understand you.

If I get the feeling that English isn't someone's first language, that's one thing. Otherwise, sloppy spelling, punctuation, and formatting tells me that they just don't care, and if someone doesn't care enough to make their questions legible, then why should I care about answering them?

I think you'll find that's an attitude that many people share. Sloppy presentation is just one more indication of laziness on the part of the asker, and that tends to put off many "askees". It doesn't take that much effort to present yourself well. Saying that it's an "informal" environment so it's not that important is just a lame excuse for laziness, in my opinion.

If I spelled poorly and couldn't write grammatically correct sentences, do you think people would take what I have to say as seriously?

clayne

Segregation of knowledge won't work. It will just breed resentment on both sides.

Filtering of laziness and ignorant questions, while at the same time still allowing people to repost with more specifics, or do their research first is the way to go, IMO.

SPOautos

Not really, it'll keep all the old timers and guys like Chris Anderson, Judge Ito, ect ect ect coming back. It would be a section where they can talk about the things that interest them instead of just answering peoples questions all the time. When someone gets to the point that they are on a certain "level" then they should have access to it. Remember people could also be given access if multiple people invite them.

Who is going to police what questions can and cant be asked? That person needs to know all the questions that have been asked before. If its a case of the "same quesitons" over and over then we can solve that problem with a mere page of links to infomative threads for certain quesitons.

Its not really the dumb *** questions that bother me anyway, I just skip them and go to something that gets my attention or click on a thread that I know the person who started it.

STEPHEN

rxrotary2_7

I suguested this a LONG time ago with not many people backing up the idea. Check the TTT comon sence thread that was a sticky for a long time. I still feel it would work.

antiSUV

iTrader: (10)

I agree with clayne. SPOautos suggests putting the knowlegable veterans in one place, the riff raff in another, and not even letting the riff raff view the posts of the experienced people. That's crazy talk. How is a new person expected to learn anything in that situation? You may say "through trial and error, working on their own car" but nobody on this forum learned everything on their own. Very few people have time, ability, and patience to progress from total ignorance to being well-versed on all aspects of a particular car by themselves.

If you separate the forum into "Anointed Smarties" and "Unworthy N00bs" you might as well forget about the "Unworthy N00bs" section and instead put up a big graphic that says "**** all you new owners. You're unwanted."

The new people should at least be able to view the posts of the oldsters.

novadan67

You could just make the "experts" section read-only for the newbs. Then you could learn all you want without "bothering" the "experts." I think that is the only way that something like that would work.

(I guess that is what your edited post says...)

SPOautos

Thats not true, no one said the knowlegable people couldn't post where every they want. I just said the unknowlegable wouldnt be able to post in the special section. If the knowlegable people still wanted to come to the 3rd gen section and post about which dp is better then they could do that.

In addition, a answer to almost EVERY questions can be found so its not like there wouldnt be a resource here anymore....even if no one ever posted here again you could still find and answer for almost anything

In addition guys, the problem I'm trying to address isnt "how do we get the old guys to answer our quetsions" the real question is "what can we give the old guys so they dont all leave"

Most of the newbs just dont understand how many valueable people have left over the years cause you never met them. You'll all feel the same why I do a year or two from now when most of the people you "looked up to" are either gone or dont post anymore.

You have to have something to keep people interested. Once they get to a certain stage they arent interested in coming here and telling a newb how to put on a dp or what intake is best or how much hp they will make. They just loose interest and leave

STEPHEN

revsteve

iTrader: (6)

I think I just want to say thank you.

I have little to no experience w/ engines and am not very good with just taking things apart and seeing how they work. Without the knowledge on this forum I would not be able to enjoy my FD the way I have and I certainly would not have learned as much as I have since being here.

Like I said at the beginning - Thank you. And to the older members, take comfort in knowing your knowledge is appreciated --- at least by me.

Andreas

i find this a very good idea

clayne

SPO: that's an afterthought style fix.

Approach the original problem in the first place and we'll probably have better luck in the long run.

SPOautos

Well, the forum has been here for over 4 years, so yea...it is a afterthought fix lol

It doesnt matter, everyone has thier own opinions on what needs to happen, I think it would be a full time job for 5 people to police the entire board for dumb *** questions. In addition those 5 people have have to know every question thats been asked before. Your never going to get rid of the dumb *** questions

I'm just tired of talking about it

Later,
STEPHEN