Mindphrame

I haven’t posted in a long time and this is exactly the reason why. https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=126723 , Seems most people are not out to help in the slightest. They want to act like they know it all by telling someone that you are an idiot and withholding the answer to a simple question.

WTF does it matter to you that someone is thinking about buying an FD and asks a question that’s been touched on many times. Does it hurt you? Does it truly bother you to the point you curse at the guy and tell him to “search”? In the time that it took you to tell them to search, you could have provided a useful link, some helpful words of advise, or just STFU if you had nothing helpful/funny to add. Simple

Common Courtesy, if you have nothing productive to say, don’t post. Why be childish, ha ha I know the answer but I’m not going to post it, I’m going to show my superior intellect by calling you an idiot/noob/loser and then telling you to go search. I mean common, people have to make the subject say “I’ve searched please god help me, really I searched” If the problem will remotely sound like a problem that someone posted about 3 years ago just to have someone look at it.

What the hell is this forum here for then? Seems that almost everything has been touched on one time or another so really no one needs to post anymore. Lock all threads now and just use it as a library.

Really, I think with most of the ******** that are rearing their heads now days. I don’t think that I would have ever really joined the forum. I’ve seen better acting and reacting people on the supra forums. This place had really gone downhill. And it truly saddens me.

When I bought my FD, I asked questions. A lot. And you know what I got? I got a mass of helpful answers, pictures, and info that I still use today. If I asked those same questions today, I would get cursed at, flicked off, told to “Use the search button you idiot blah blah blah” and in the same amount of words you could have answered my question.

Man this has really pissed me off to see such a wealth of great info, good people and helpful info guarded by a bunch of asses.

I’m sure that this will be moved/deleted b/c it really has nothing to do with 3rd gen. But this is where I hang out and read. I’m disgusted by the actions of some people that frequent this section. Wasn’t always like this. Once again it saddens me.

Thanks to all the people that helped me back when I knew nothing about my car. I asked questions that were touched on MANY times, yet you still answered my questions and gave me very helpful pointers and info. I am quite knowledgeable about my car now b/c of you. Thanks for those that still try to be useful and helpful to noobs or anyone asking for help/info.

In summary:

Lighten up. Breath deep. You are not forced to read any post, so don’t get pissed when someone posts something that you already know. Be helpful. Don’t have anything constructive to post? Then don’t.

c00lduke

I think the post people dont reply to or just make fun of are over all stupid in the first place. Like to one you posted in yours. The title was off roadin in a FD and even though he said in slid into the mud after everone yelled at help for treating his FD like ****, still driving that way and ******* up might as well put you into a tree. The title alone was semi bragging that he went off raod. Might as well of been "screwing around in a parking lot and fucked up and got stock in the mud What is this cable?" Or another post topics such as, how long can my FD run without oil cause i'm to broke to buy some. Any post of these sort just are really asking for it. I'm not so much sure if it is the people that really know what they are talknig about, just being mean and not helping or just more and more masses of tools flooding the 3rd gen forums. I've gone to many other forums and i am glad to have this one just because the level of BS and retards is at a pretty low level. And i myself get kinda sick of the people here asking about thier moms 87 SHO with a 50 shot vs a Rx-7 in reverse, with e-brake half way up and windows all rolled down. WHOS GOING TO WIN??. That stuff gets old quick. But over all i think if you ask a good question you will get it answered but you if just get a boost gauge and fly in you house after a run and post MY TURBOS ARE BROKE WHATS WRONG!!! I'm just going to laugh and keep scrolling down the page.

turbojeff

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I used to get pissy and think I was smart when I was on the Big List starting in '98. Slowly I learned enough to know that I was BS'ing with the "pioneers" Gordon, Wyum, Dagely, Brooks, etc. I didn't know anything.

Now I know what I know, I've had lots of experience with FDs. I know stock and lightly modded cars, reliability mods, R+R of every component (yeah EVERY component). So I only answer posts where I really know what I'm talking about.

Every once-in-a-while I still get pissy. I've bought so many FDs that someone was "going to turn into a race car" or that they just loved to death. Think wisely about the mods, don't do any mods until you "freshen up" the basics, fluids, filters, brakes, tires, etc.

The "coolest sounding blow off valve" posts really get me. Look at the cars they buy the BOV for, bald tires, cheap brakes, old shocks, old plugs, etc... I'm starting to just let things like that go...

Later,
Jeff

SpeedyRotary

I agree on both parts, some post can lack detail in which their problem exists like a broad topic of 'why don't my turbos work' and merely want to know why instead of using the search feature. Well maybe this person doesn't know what to search for? For all the tools on board here instead of just giving an answer that to no point helps anyone out except to be angered by your response, you could respond possitively and maybe direct them to a search you conducted on your own good will to help this person who is in dire need or possibly give them the answer yourself. Not only should you do this for the one in need of help but for yourself, to help another learn the skill you have. Wouldn't that make you feel good? To know you helped someone out instead of put them down, on the spot. Anyways it's late and i'm done trying to think of what good things to shower, going to have a few more beers and pass out.

Flyrx7

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Ok, I have to admit I was one of the guys giving these fellows a ration for 'offroading" their cars. I responded to quickly, having just spent the hour prior reading about some other morons on the forum. My whole frame of mind at the time was that mom and dad are buying up all the 3rd gens for their kids, who have no respect for their cars because they didn't work for them like had to. People can yak back and forth about this or that, but it seems that there are alot of moronic posts/questions on the forum right now. Maybe I'm being to critical. We were all newbies at one time or another, but it pains me to see the way some of these cars are treated by the younger crowd. While sliding off the road into mud may not be as preventable as, say, running on 3 Qts of oil, I would just like to think that other 3rd gen people appreciate their cars like I do mine. Of course it has it's issues, needs alot of TLC from time to time, hell, it's more of a hobby to me than transportation. I guess it's harder to relate to now when I was used to the older, wiser crowd that owned these cars. Seemed to be a more methodicall, logical crowd (what is my coeficient of drag with this wing vs. which wing looks more bitchin' or will bring in the chicks). Guess I'm just getting old.

Frank

turbojeff

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LOL Gordon. I personally know a guy on here that DOESN'T own a FD and is giving advise like he's owned one for years... It happens all to often. What I try to do is give out the good info and let the newbies decide who to listen to, some will get it and some won't.

Jeff

Leprechaun

Let me say I love the forum, and have learned ALOT from reading...best source of Rx-7 info I've ever seen. Period. But it does get annoying when members become a little too **** about forum, which I've seen more and more of recently. It gives the forum a bitter tone, and accomplishes nothing.

I think alot of people simply like to use the "roll eyes" icon and look down their noses with the "try searching" blurb in order to make themselves feel more like a 'forum elite.' :P

Bottom line is: alot of posters will search and find a few threads that touch on their question but maybe want to see if there's anything else someone can add and they immediately get the "roll eyes" and "try searching" spammed at them.

Guys, this isn't Google. This is a live discussion board. If you want it to be a search engine, shut down posting and just leave it as an archive. If you want it to be a discussion board, chill and relax and don't go into convulsions when someone asks a question. Believe me, posters will learn for themselves that searching is not only helpful, but alot of fun to dig up old discussions and learning new things.

But I'm personally sick of someone asking a question and I click on the thread because I'm interested in what real live people are giving as answers and all I see are 5-6 replies of "try searching" spam.

ricola555

I agree. There have been alot of rude answers to valid questions. Just recently I was berated by forum members when asking such pertinent questions as "How many seats in an FD" and "Do RX's have rotary or piston engines". Thanks a bunch!

Flyrx7

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Hey, I know this one!
2 seats and "nopistons"
hehehe

Frank

ExpensiveHobby22

I have to agree. This forum does have a hostile air about it. I am almost afraid to post questions that I have, even if I have extensively searched trying to find the answer.

I feel that if someone does post a dumb question that they obviously haven't done a search on, give them some useful search terms to follow up on instead of yelling at them. A reply like that usually takes less time to write and is also less of a waste of your own time.

I have been an active member of vwvortex for 3 years or so, and I find that forum to have a much more welcoming and helpful atmosphere (the mk1 and mk2 boards anyway). I feel much less apprehensive to post there.

I must say though that replies to the posts I have made here have been very helpful so far. Maybe I have been lucky. However, t is obvious there is a wealth of information here. I just think people should be less reluctant to give it out.

My .02

-ray

ricola555

lol @ name "expensivehobby22"...It's so true, it's depressing.

rxrotary2_7

i dont think it is so much of being "reluctant" to give it out, than reluctant to give it out OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
i think you first comment states this without you even realizing it.

if your searches come up with the most recent threads having 6 responses saying "search". that should tell you to look further into the past. try specifying the search to go from the oldest to the newest instead of visa versa.
i dont think anyone is reluctant to give out info. as a matter of fact, people LOVE to post what they have "figured" out.

LUV94RX7

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I pretty much stay in the "3rd gen", "Single Turbo" and "Rotary Performance" sections. I stay out of the "Lounge" and the "Kills" section.

The forum has been good for me and has helped me a lot. It's the best place I've found for my FD.

It has helped me and hopefully I will be able to help others.

I try to ignore the crap.

When I finally get my car back in the next month or so I will be posting tons of info.

Stuff like: Did traction control work for an FD? The results on water injection? What did my T04e dyno at?
What 1/4 mile times can I get on street tires and drag radials?

Hopefully others will be interested in what I discover.

If they are not interested, so what. Just skip the thread.

Ken, 58 years young
'94 white, pep, red leather,
mods: Hayes/KDR street port & polished,
3mm Hurley racing seals,
upgraded coolant seals,
Power FC ecu, Commander, Datalogit,
XS T04e single turbo kit,
GReddy SMIC (400+cu.in.),
Aquamist 2s water injection kit,
Pettit ss resonated MP,
Pettit ss cat-back,
RP Racing fuel pump,
1600cc injectors,
Profec B(16&22psi),
3-Bar Map Sensor,
Centerforce clutch,
Racelogic Traction Control,
Under pulley kit (no air pump),
Pettit short shifter kit,
LaBreck's bushings,
Evans Coolant
http://nopistons.com/luv94rx7.html

Jason

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This thread relates to this thread https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...42#post1167242

Lets discuss this! BOOSTD7 and I were going to talk about this stuff over the weekend, but I would like everyones input.

Thanks
Jason

Nathan Kwok

Mindphrame,
I too was bothered by the thread you posted. I propose that if you have an opinion about a certain thread that contributes nothing whatsoever to its usefulness, that you make a new post in the lounge, saying, "this thread sucks", or "idiot", and then simply put a link to the thread in question. The 3rd gen section is not a forum for expressing one's opinions, unless someone specifically asks for them. It is also not a free country, in fact, its not even a country period. Nor is it protected under the 1st amendment. So no, its not your right to say whatever you want. POST WHORING IS NOT A RIGHT.

At the same time I am also bothered by the many new people who don't have the patience to lurk for a few weeks or use the search function and instead go for instant gratification and bomb the forum with questions that have been answered literally 100 times in the past. This is disrespectful because it bumps down legitimate questions that have not been asked and need to be heard (like, *ahem* my question about adding a resistor to the circuit in an electric temp gauge to adjust its reading... at the very least I haven't seen that come up in awhile, but whoops, it got bumped down by yet another "buying an RX-7 need advice" thread). I would like to see mods delete these threads and send the poster a PM with a link that answers the question. No hard feelings, you still get the question answered, but its not one that everyone needs to see. Remember, there is still a noob forum and a lounge, its not like there isn't a place for this stuff, it just doesn't belong in the 3rd gen section.

kwikrx7

I joined the forum about 1.5-2 years ago give or take - when I joined I had all the stupid questions - "What is a FD?" and "How do our sequential turbos work?" and I already owned the car for 3 years before that. I've learned everything there is to know on this forum about the FD. Lately, I'll agree, that many idiots have joined the forum but I still see the same questions by honest people (like I posted a while ago) that want simple answers. It's funny, last year at the end of spring I started a bunch of non-sequential threads that hardly anybody knew anything about - only Jimlab and Scorpio were able to help me - nobody else knew anything. Now if you post "Should I convert to non-sequential?" - you get ridiculous replies saying to search. I post alot less now because of the harshness of the new forum members.

Wish it could go back to when I first joined.

CanadianRex

The funny thing is that this is one of the best threads I've read here on this forum. I myself have owned an FD for about 3 years now. Over that time I have been on this forum many times, although I have never started a thread, and only have about five posts, all of them in recent weeks. The reason for this is not because I do not have anything to share, or that I already know everything and have no questions to ask, but because I really don't care to get called an idiot by someone that has no life other than working on his car (if he even has one) and spending countless hours on this forum.

This forum is a wealth of information, however it usually does take a long time to find it. What's to blame? It must be the newbies that are too lazy to use the search function so they post a question that has already been asked. IT IS F**KING NOT!!! Try this - do a search for something that you already know the answer to. Chances are that you will get a page of hits... wow that's great! Now start reading them. First you have question, then you have to read the replies of ten guys calling him a moron and telling him that he shouldn't even own an FD, before finally someone is decent enough to give him the answer or direct him to a useful thread. When I do a search, I don't want to read that crap, I just want the answer. If you guys really want to show off your knowledge, why don't you just give him the answer and help him out. You never know, his knowledge could grow one day to the point where this newbie is no longer a newbie, he is now the one designing the **** you want to buy or the one that you need advice from. Be helpful. Show him the ropes. If you guys were really so smart you would realize that by just giving him a straight answer in the first place the thread would become inactive and move down the list faster than if you keep posting senseless garbage to it. Besides, you didn't always know the answers to those basic and easy questions, you had to learn it somewhere.

What we need is an etiquette page, for both the newbies and the veterans. And don't even think about blasting me if there is already one, because apparently no one has read it if there is.

And please remember, just because someone is on here for a reason other that a pure passion for the RX-7 doesn't mean that they don't deserve to participate. Not everyone needs to be an RX-7 fanatic like me

JONSKI

I completely agree with Mindphrame. When I first joined this forum nearly a year ago, I found it to be inhospitable. Now, however, it's even worse. Far to often threads like this one could be avoided by simple courtesy. Courtesy would be posting the answer, disrespect would be what happened. I believe that if you think you are better than someone, than that person is already better than you. You aren't the judge what people should and shouldn't be. You can have an opinion, but anything more than that is disrespectful and impolite. No one is born a professional, but some people want to be, and they (me) may need your help. If, in your opinion, someone is being lazy, then don't respond. If they want to know if you think they are lazy, then they will ask you, "Do you think I'm lazy?" If they didn't, then why would they give a fvck whether you thought they were or not?

-Jon Skrzynski

DK

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I'm not really bothered by people asking questions that have already been asked. Sometimes I take the time to answer them nicely and informatively, and other times I just skip them and let the next guy take it (... more on that later). Actually a lot of times whether I respond or not will be dictated by the language and structure used, and whether or not I can tell if this person can walk and chew gum at the same time. I don't think I've ever told anyone to search the forum for an answer. And sometimes the frustrated side of my funny bone emerges when someone asks why "rims" and erebuni shogun kits cost so much because they only have $1000 to spend and they can't enter the next Import Showoff without them.

What actually bothers me about this forum and I was alluding at above is forum members who give the same answer that I, or someone else, has already given in the same thread. 90% of the time the copycat answer comes at a significantly later time signature, so the original answer was already there to be read. I'm not sure if it's ego playing the role of know-it-all or if those persons just simply don't read the responses ... which is also ridiculous because I most often see this in very short threads with only a few replies, and sometimes only one reply. I come around in waves of a month or two at a time. I think the reason for that is inside I want to help people, but I become tired of the forum for such reasons. There's a group of names that I could give who commonly do this (and there's no excuse for it), at least one of which has contributed to this thread, but it's also a general behavior by some random contributors ... which nothing much could be done about. And the most irking thing is that the people who commonly do this are frequently in front of their computer and on the forum seemingly reading every thread, so one would logically conclude that they saw the answer already posted, yet still managed to cough up the same answer.

Leprechaun

DK, I'm not sure if you just aren't thinking, or what... but think about your complaint for a second, please. THINK.

Picture this, someone asks a question about smoke from engine and symptoms and gets an answer. Then another person reads the Q&A and has the SAME opinion/answer. And maybe someone else does as well. If I'm asking the question, THAT'S WHAT I WANT. Hello? It makes you feel alot better when 4-5 people echo each other with the sameanswers and are in agreement.

It may look like someone repeating the answer to you, but to someone asking the question (or someone searching and finding the thread) it becomes much more informative when many people repeat it, rather than one Q and one A and then you have to keep asking, searching, or bumping looking for other opinions.

The more opinions, the better, I say. Whether they are the same or different. And of course, if someone pops in with a crazy idea, then others will call him on it.

LUV94RX7

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Here's my thoughts on taking other people's advice. I have been on here long enough to know the experts. Some of my favorites are JIMLAB, GMONSEN and RICE RACING to name a few.

It does not take that long to recognize the ones with the wrong advice.

To me the forum is great and it's a lot better than it was in the days of "ERIC ?HEATAM".

Ken

R Xplicit

there is an answer to this. there are too many juvenile attitudes here on the forum. especially in what is supposed to be the tech sections. i have been a member of this forum for over 3 years, and 3 different names, don't ask why.....it seemed more obvious a few months ago, that when the lounge posts were no longer going to be counted any more. suddenly, the 3rd gen section was flooded with assinine and juvenile answers to what seemed to be legitimate questions. i too have been a partaker in the humor that might accompany certain threads, but for someone to answer with hostility and dislike is just plain ignorant. i too know of MANY 3rd gen readers that do not own a 3rd gen. that is not to say they do not have the right or priveledge to post or read here, but maybe there are better places that one can offer input.

i do not frequent this site as i once did. mainly because there are too many needless posts in the 3rd gen section for me to try and sort through. every day i come on, there is another supra vs. rx7 thread, or the rest of them hav enothing to do with obtaining useful information.

there is not enough moderation. period. too many body kit pics, too many car pics, too much bullshit.....these posts have a place.....how about this.....if it is not a question regarding the current running condition of your FD, then it must not beling there.

do not talk about other cars, there is a section for that. do not ask about a wing, guess what? there is a section for that too.

i do not think that this forum is too bad off. but in the grand scheme of things, do you see the age old posters that i used to? no. gordo, jimlab, rice racing, jsped, rikki, and a pluthera of others who have been on htis forum for years, including myself, do not frequent as often because of the trolls and general dislike of other forum members.


well, what do you expect? there are soooo many members right now. when i first joined, there were only a few thousand members....now look how many there are. ****, especially the ones in the 3rd gen area. there were not even that many of them made......oh well, i know that not everyone is going to read this, but these are just one guy's thoughts streaming out.....i guess that i am just frustrated because the one section that i enjoy is falling by the way-side....

have a great day....

louis